Silverstreak
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Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:54 pm

I am a new hire and was recently involved in an incident between a belt loader and a 737. I'm always careful when I'm on the ramp, but this accident was my fault. I had gotten out of the belt loader to open the forward cargo door and returned to move the loader forward. When I released the emergency brake, I thought I had my foot was on the brake and actually I had it on the accerlerator. It was dark and I thought I had my foot on the right pedal. The damge went quickly into the 6 figures. My Sup and Mgr. are very supportive, but the final decision will be at the Corp. Hdqters level.

I just wanted to say 2 things: Watch were your foot goes when using a belt loader and what are my chances of my job surviving. The decision comes down tomorrow. I don't want to mention my employer. Thanks.
 
safetyDemo
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:00 pm

Its an honest mistake - and unfortunately, honest mistakes can mean little when you are on probation.

However, I will tell you about my honest mistake as a new-hire flight attendant on probation.

Four months after I started flying for my airline I no-call, no-showed. Meaning, I missed my flight without contacting crew scheduling.

I had thought my showtime that day was 3:30pm, when in fact it was 7:00am. The previous night, my phone had died. I remember very clearly thinking "I'll leave it off while charging because I don't ahve to work until 3:30 tomorrow afternoon." I didn't turn it on while charging. When the airline attempted to contact me - they could not do so.

Just one month prior, my company had begun terminating all flight attendants on probation who no-call, no-showed, regardless of past history, work performance, etc. They had had a spike in no-call, no-shows over the summer and set the precedent. I thought for sure I was a gonner.

That afternoon, when I was contacted by corporate, I was certain it was to give me flight information to head to HQ to turn in my badge, etc. Instead, they offered me a verbal warning and let me know they looked forward to seeing me at work the very next day.

I am certain what saved my job was a complimentary letter sent to HQ the week prior, from a colleague of mine after we worked a trip together. She is a flight attendant trainer at my airline and I am certain her recommendation and opinion was taken into account when corporate made the decision as to my future with the company.

Hopefully, your company will do the same - take into account the position of your immediate supervisor/colleagues. Sometimes they do do the right thing.

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san747
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:11 pm

Actually, I did something similar yesterday... Except I just hit a cart and didn't damage anything. At any rate, it was the same thing. I thought I was tapping the brake, but I had hit the accelerator. It was an honest mistake like your situation. I will be rooting for you.
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CanadianNorth
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:23 pm

Well hitting a 737 is definately a bad thing to do, and after 6 months of driving our lift up to the aft door there it still scares me thinking I might hit the wrong thing even though I'm about as careful as I know how to be doing that. Luckily I haven't hit anything at work yet.

As for your job, you really can't argue with the fact that no matter how careful we all are, shit happens. I've heard of and seen damage to company vehicles/aircraft caused by people who are still employed, due to the fact that it was an honest mistake.

From what you've said it does sound like your incident was kind of your fault, but at the same time an honest mistake, so I hope they are reasonable enough to see that and give you another change.



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Silverstreak
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:29 pm

Thanks everyone for your feedback. Today is decision day from HQ.
 
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:44 pm

quick questions

When you got back on the belt loader and stepped on the gas didn't you hear or feel the engine rev up? Or was it one of those electric belt loaders?


good luck, I had a coworker who backed a lav truck into a MD80 once, he put the truck into neutral and not park, chalked the tires. When he hit the pump button the truck slipped into reverse, jumped the chalk and put a nice hole in the plane. He's lucky he wasn't killed, as that truck didn't have a seperate space to stand in, he was standing on top of the tank to access the rear lav service door. He didn't loose his job.
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:31 pm

It really depends on who you work for. They will conduct an investigation into the accident, and look at your history at the employer. You will likely have the opportunity to save face, and that is your chance to plead your heart out. Good luck, and be careful out there. It could have been much worse, up and including injury or death. Beltloader accidents are no joke, and the chances of serious injury are incredible.
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:32 pm

Can you share what airline it was?
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:34 pm

I hope you are safe. Accidents really sucks, thats for sure.
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:21 pm

Did you ever find out? If so, please let us know if its good news.... If not, I wish you the best of luck..
 
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:58 am

At my airline usually the new people are saved and the leads end up suffering the wrath. Wrong I know, but sometimes it goes down that way. Good luck, I hope everything works out for the best as it should. Thankfully it was an honest mistake & not horseplay or carelessness. Hopefully that will play a part in the decision.
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:02 am



Quoting SILVERSTREAK (Thread starter):
I don't want to mention my employer. Thanks.



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 7):
Can you share what airline it was?

 
jetdeltamsy
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:03 am

My guess is you are toast.

The rule is pretty much universal in this business.

You hit a plane, you're fired.

Sorry for your luck.
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david21487
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:16 am

I don't think they'll fire you, but they'll probably drug test you and suspend you while they conduct an investigation into what exactly happened.
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:01 pm

A smart manager would realize it's an honest mistake and that if anything, it has made you even more aware of the risks entailed by any little mistake on the job, and that the experience and lesson learnt will make you less likely to repeat it, especially when compared to firing you and hiring a new guy who's prone to do the same mistake.

But then I still am to meet a smart manager...
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:47 pm



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 14):
But then I still am to meet a smart manager...

They are a rare breed. I think I have one of the few...
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RE: Care To Say What My Chances Are?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:50 pm

If you are a new hire on probation, I'd say you are history. If you're off probation and a member of a union, it's almost impossible to be fired.
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