KarlB737
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Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:13 pm

To the regional and mainline pilots I ask you does this concern you that the minimums seem to keep getting lowered? I am not a pilot. I know that the instruments of today have made many procedures easier. However I know that all of you have had to reach down into your depth of experience now and then to get you through a tense situation. I can only salute you for that. That is your inner strength as a professional. That is what I believe all of you are and I know that you truely want the industry that you are a part of to remain that way.

When I read the article below I flashback to Lexington, Kentucky (LEX). What should my concerns as a passenger be when I read about your professional standards being lowered?


Courtesy: Denver Business Journal

Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums --- 3 Pages

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/st...7/story2.html?b=1197867600^1563637
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:38 pm



Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
When I read the article below I flashback to Lexington, Kentucky (LEX).

Why? Those pilots were above the current minimums, and they still made a stupid mistake.

As long as both seats aren't inexperienced, with one seat flying well above minimums with plenty of airline specific experience, I personally don't see the problem, but if there was a rash of incidents due to inexperience, I'd change my opinion at that time.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:58 pm



Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
What should my concerns as a passenger be when I read about your professional standards being lowered?

Do you see an increase in accidents made by these low time airline pilots compared to the senior crews? Every pilot does their best to be professional and knowledgeable. Everyone has made a mistake at some point. You have two pilots flying the airplane, and today with CRM widespread and how sophisticated the aircraft are the low time pilots of today are probably more proficient than the low time pilots of 40 years ago.
I know someone who was hired by a major airline about 40 years ago. At the time he was hired he had a private license and an instrument rating. The airline was simply so stressed for pilots they hired him and gave him a date by which he needed to have his commercial license to start training with the airline. He says when he started flying pax flights he had just over 200 hours logged. Airlines have hired low time pilots for decades, this isn't a new occurance.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:21 pm



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
As long as both seats aren't inexperienced, with one seat flying well above minimums with plenty of airline specific experience,

I agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:34 pm

Well I'm getting what I wanted which is lots of good input from the pilots. This is good. I had to ask these questions because if I didn't someone else in the general public or news media would eventually ask them.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:47 pm



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Why? Those pilots were above the current minimums, and they still made a stupid mistake.

Agree

Hrs. alone does mean little in the whole picture.....where do these pilots get the hrs from??? from flying, I do not see any problems with the lower minimum as I think these guys do a hell of a job...... the only way to give them all the experience they need is flying with an experienced pilot as many hrs. as possible and have one day enough hrs. & experience so they can pass it on ..............  Wink

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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:03 pm



Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
When I read the article below I flashback to Lexington, Kentucky (LEX). What should my concerns as a passenger be when I read about your professional standards being lowered?

The LEX captain had 4700 hours (3000+ in the CL-600). The f/o had 6500 miles (also more than 3000 in the CL-600). I'd say that inexperience was not a problem there. Actually, I would argue that the LEX crash might be an example of an incident where LESS experience might have been better. Perhaps a less experienced pilot would have consulted his compass?

I would make the same argument about 9E 3701. Those guys missed several memory items on the 2 engine out checklist. A freshly minted f/o would be more tied to the checklist, perhaps resulting in a different outcome.

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
I agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).

Cockpit management is key. There are always going to be pilots who are new to the type. Oversight is the key. If not, you get a situation like OW at SJU.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:19 pm

What the hours are is certainly an issue. I've seen many guys who have been instructing for a long time building up hour totals that are, in reality, largely meaningless. Honestly, I've seen very poor decisions and flying in IFR from instructors who are minimally current in IFR operations and have actually flown hands on perhaps 20 or 30 hours in the previous year. Get them out of a 110kt. Skyhawk and into a 190kt Beech Baron under the hood themselves (or in real IFR) and the first couple of hours are really rough.

I think CFI's do a very important and critical job, and that there is a lot of be gained by learning to teach others to fly. But when you see someone who has maybe 300 hours of hands-on and 2,200 hours of instruction to make the 2,500 hour mark -- they've generally gone way past the point where that instruction is benefiting them.

So making the minimums lower is fine by me, because I don't believe there's much gained by the hour building -- in fact, I strongly believe that a lot is LOST.

I'd like to see minimums that are lower, say 1,000 hours, but allow for only 500 hours of PIC giving instruction.

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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:26 pm



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).

Well, more than that. He or she is there to gain experience so he or she can become a left seater. As long as airlines maintain the right senior/junior relationship and don't put two inexperienced pilots together, I'm happy.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 7):
What the hours are is certainly an issue.

Yep. I'd rather have someone flying me around in a CRJ as F/O who has 300 hours pre-hire and 300 hours in that CRJ seat than someone who was just hired with 1000 hours out in the wild but with little to no CRJ experience outside of simulator qualification.

On the job training is valuable. Many foreign airlines believe this.

I also think the cost barrier to entry into the profession becomes much lower if you lower the minimums, as it becomes less expensive for non-military pilots to qualify to become airline pilots.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:36 pm

United Airlines, which is Denver's largest carrier, operates 221 flights a day out of DIA, and regional carriers handle 188 of them, spokeswoman Meghan McCarthy said.

Frontier Airlines operates 300 mainline and 68 regional departures and arrivals a day at DIA.

Im assuming this is bad reporting. I don't have the numbers myself, but Im quite sure UAL doesn't only operate 33 mainline flights at DEN while its regional partners operate 188. Moreover, since when does F9 operate more flights at 368 including its regional partners? The articale even says UAL is DEN's largest carrier, so that makes no sense!
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:36 pm



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
As long as both seats aren't inexperienced, with one seat flying well above minimums with plenty of airline specific experience, I personally don't see the problem, but if there was a rash of incidents due to inexperience, I'd change my opinion at that time

I do see a big problem. What if the inexperienced pilot is landing a jet powered airplane on a contaminated runway, or strong, gusting crosswinds prevail. Do you think the experienced pilot will have enough time, every time to take the controls away??? Usually by the time the other pilot reacts, the shit has already hit the fan.

However it is not the regionals fault. They got a business to run and those planes go to go. Before, they used to loose pilots to the majors. Now they are loosing pilots to the majors, fractionals, flight departments, etc.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:30 pm



Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
What if the inexperienced pilot is landing a jet powered airplane on a contaminated runway, or strong, gusting crosswinds prevail.

Most pilots, who don't go to Arizona or Florida to train, have alot of experience in incliment weather. Here in the midwest for the past week I'm sure alot of us pilots have brushed up on our icing procedures and have been watching the weather closely. I've shot instrument approaches down on 200 overcast days onto wet runways and taken small planes past their crosswind reccomendations. Flight training in alot of areas of the US will expose pilots to many different factors.
And even then, simulators are used so extensively today pilots have dealt with so many crazy situations already that crosswinds hopefully won't be a problem.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
Do you think the experienced pilot will have enough time, every time to take the controls away???

The entire point of CRM and training is that the more experienced pilot should not need to take the controls away. If you feel uncomfortable in a situation or feel your skills arn't up to the challenge, let the other person in the cockpit know. That's just responsible, safe, flying. And I'd say more often than not, we do try to stay responsible and safe up there.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:12 am

Is it a problem? It can be.

Where it becomes a problem is when the airline doesn't want to spend the money on training to either make it difficult enough so those lacking in the required skills wash out or they just pass everyone. Add to that captains who don't want to deal with guys that don't have very much experience and you get cockpits where mistakes are bound to happen and will be caught by the captain, but its a crap shoot whether the FO will speak up when the captain makes a mistake.

Yeah, CRM is great when it works, but there is so much more to working at an airline. While politics shouldn't enter the cockpit, it unfortunately does and it often puts FO's in a bad position. Add to that an already scorned low time guy and I think you can see where problems might arise.

Luckily, most captains out there are good and do their best to show their FO's the proper ways to do things. There are also quite a few who forget that part of their job is to prepare that FO for the left seat and don't want to teach.

As an FO, you also need to be patient, know you are learning, keep the ego in check, and be ready to make mistakes and ask every captain how you can do better.

I can definitely see how it would be frustrating to have to deal with an FO who isn't good on the radio or is falling behind, but unfortunately it is the responsibility of the captain to keep the whole crew ahead of the plane and unfortunately for some, that might require some teaching or heavy explaining.

Low time FO's are a reality of the industry that I am ready to deal with, you just need to be patient and make sure they are ahead of the plane.

Yeah, there is a point in that a jet isn't a place to be teaching some of these things, but until people start demanding more experienced pilots AND are willing to pay for it (ie higher ticket prices), it is going to be the way it is.

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):

I agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).

I hate to say it, but being an FO takes some experience and getting there isn't for anyone. I've been an FO for the past year and a half and can say that there is a lot to learn. Add to that dealing with a few of the less CRM and standardization focused captains and you have a handful.

If you can believe it, we even fly the plane every other leg....

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 11):
Most pilots, who don't go to Arizona or Florida to train, have alot of experience in incliment weather. Here in the midwest for the past week I'm sure alot of us pilots have brushed up on our icing procedures and have been watching the weather closely. I've shot instrument approaches down on 200 overcast days onto wet runways and taken small planes past their crosswind recomendations. Flight training in alot of areas of the US will expose pilots to many different factors.

I learned to fly in the midwest myself, but we weren't allowed to fly in any truly bad weather and nothing approaching what airliners deal with during the winter. Flying down to mins is fun, but the true challenge comes into play when you are flying planes whose tanks aren't always full, with people in the back who want to make a connection, and you are running low in fuel. Furthermore, most trainers shouldn't be taken into icing conditions. You don't have too much extra when you have 160 HP up front and no anti or deicing equipment.

Those demonstrated crosswinds can be exceeded in trainers, but the bigger the plane, the closer to the limit they will be and the more challenging it will be to keep the plane on the runway.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, get all the experience you can, but never forget that you will always have a lot to learn. At 1700 hrs, I only know what little I know.

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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:44 am

I wouldn't say that professional standards are being lowered, but the flight time requirement sure it.

When I started I was one of the guys who thought total time didn't mean much, experience was what counted. To some degree, I still think that's the right approach. However, experience is built through flight time.

I'm not a fan at all of what's happened at regional airlines. My honest opinion is that there should be a minimum time requirement to fly under 121 as there is under 135. To fly checks in a Baron takes 1200 total, 500 cross country, 100 night, and 75 instrument. Your first 121 job only requires a commercial, multiengine, and instrument rating. There's something wrong with that.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:54 am



Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
What if the inexperienced pilot is landing a jet powered airplane on a contaminated runway, or strong, gusting crosswinds prevail.

If the experienced pilot gives over control to the guy with no experience in such a situation, it's a bad judgement on the part of the experienced pilot anyway, so what value is experience? You are putting up a hypothetical that should not happen in any situation, a straw man argument. Honestly, putting forth non-sensical what-ifs doesn't do anything for me.

Could a wild, unexpected gust happen out of nowhere on an otherwise calm and clear day? Sure. But it's not likely and the F/O could always abort and go around. If the conditions are known in advance, which are the majority of the cases, and the F/O doesn't have enough experience to handle the conditions, he shouldn't be in charge of the landing, the captain should. Period.

An inexperienced F/O is not supposed to land the plane under such conditions. That's why the captain is there, that's why he is paid more, that's why he has more experience.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:02 am



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 11):
Most pilots, who don't go to Arizona or Florida to train, have alot of experience in incliment weather. Here in the midwest for the past week I'm sure alot of us pilots have brushed up on our icing procedures and have been watching the weather closely. I've shot instrument approaches down on 200 overcast days onto wet runways and taken small planes past their crosswind reccomendations. Flight training in alot of areas of the US will expose pilots to many different factors.

Exactly - One summer during college I flew almost 100 hours in a 172 in a period of four months, 75% of it cross country time...during which I flew in all types of conditions, from IFR minimums to severe clear and everything in between - had my first (three) unplanned diversions because of weather, as well as my first real scud-run.

Learned a hell of a lot. It was between March and August, in Iowa ... for Midwesterners, you know that you can experience just about every kind of weather there is during those few months. I also tried to fly into as many busy airports and airspace as I could, and flew into MDW by myself at least five times.

I learned many lessons in that time, got my instrument rating and then commercial SEL...was proficient as hell, haha. (and spent a lot of money).
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:13 am



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
I know someone who was hired by a major airline about 40 years ago. At the time he was hired he had a private license and an instrument rating.

That is true..long ago there were a lot of pilots hired by major airlines at 20 yrs old with little experience. Today you don't see it as much but I do know United hired a female out of Embry Riddle with about 600 hrs into FE position in a DC-10 and from what I hear from other pilots United is known for hiring minorities and women with very little time. Not to say they are bad pilots just that hiring low time pilots does fluctuate with supply and demand.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:29 am

In my opinion, low time requirements will only concern me when some of these sub-1000 hour hired F.O.s upgrade to captain after only 1.5-2 years which should be occuring quite often over the next few years. Then you have a 2500 hour Captain with 2 years pt 121 experience with a sub 1000 hour FO. Add in some weather, minor mechanical and normal operation delays and this could be an overwhelming situation for the crew. The key will be for these FO's to really pay attention and ask questions as a first officer to gain experience prior to upgrading to captain.

For the record, I was hired as a sub-1000 hour FO, but I try to look at the situation objectively...


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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:53 am



Quoting Juanchie (Reply 17):
In my opinion, low time requirements will only concern me when some of these sub-1000 hour hired F.O.s upgrade to captain after only 1.5-2 years which should be occuring quite often over the next few years. Then you have a 2500 hour Captain with 2 years pt 121 experience with a sub 1000 hour FO.

This is a great point. An experienced, capable captain can more than compensate for a new f/o- and can probably help the f/o become comfortable with the aircraft far more than can rote flight hours. That's really all IOE is, and careful scheduling gives new f/os more of the same informally (with experienced captains who aren't officially check airmen but bring many of the same skills to the table). When most of a carrier's captains are inexperienced, they simply cannot provide that mentoring (or whatever word you want to use).
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:54 am



Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
What should my concerns as a passenger be when I read about your professional standards being lowered?

On the other hand, at what point will your concerns outweigh your demand to get that PHX-SNA-PHX RT at $130 bucks. I truly believe this is a case of the mouth biting the hand....if pax were willing to pay what it takes for an airline to stay in the black and then some, the regionals could afford to become more selective in their recruitment process. Until that point, they will continue to hire the kid out of college with a case of SJS who will allow him/her self to be paid 17K a year to fly a passenger A/C. As for myself, my instrument checkride is tomorrow afternoon, I have 100 hours TT right now, and as soon as I'm qualified, I'm hunting down a flying job, be it flying checks or families who paid $150 per person RT. I don't want this to sound insensitive, but it's the nature of the beast.

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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:59 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
This is a great point. An experienced, capable captain can more than compensate for a new f/o- and can probably help the f/o become comfortable with the aircraft far more than can rote flight hours. That's really all IOE is, and careful scheduling gives new f/os more of the same informally (with experienced captains who aren't officially check airmen but bring many of the same skills to the table).

Just playing devil's advocate here, but when did it become a line captain's job to conduct IOE with an FO who is line qualified?

That's the problem with low time guys. I was in a jumpseat with a brand new FO. He clammed up a bit on an ILS, and told us it was his first time flying one when the weather was down. I'm sorry, but the cockpit of an airliner is not the place for someone to fly his first approach in the soup.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:09 am



Quoting DashTrash (Reply 20):
Just playing devil's advocate here, but when did it become a line captain's job to conduct IOE with an FO who is line qualified?

Oh, it's not the line captain's job at all, and I think your example demonstrates what should NOT be happening. OTOH, transitioning to a new aircraft is always a little rocky, whether it's from a 172 to a Bonanza or from a 772 to a 380, and IMO it is the line captain's job to say something along the lines of "if you do X next time, your landing would be better." You work in the industry, I don't. Do you agree?
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:14 am

No instructors are out doing approaches in hard IFR, and most pilots joining regionals today are actually fantastic at IFR approaches (VOR/ILS/LOC). Where most of us struggle are visual approaches where you have nothing backing it up.

I 100% think captains should not be considered an extension of IOE, but rather providing insightful information and advice based on years of experience.


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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:15 am



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
As long as both seats aren't inexperienced, with one seat flying well above minimums with plenty of airline specific experience,

I agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).

you COULDNT be more wrong with that statement.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:33 am



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).

Seems like you go to ERAU. If you do, and you have this mindset, then you have some serious figuring out to do. Please don't even think of coming to the airlines thinking that way. Don't ruin it for the rest of the F/O's out there who know what their real duties are, which include more than just 'pushing buttons'.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:39 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
That's really all IOE is, and careful scheduling gives new f/os more of the same informally (with experienced captains who aren't officially check airmen but bring many of the same skills to the table).

I agree with you 100%. And from what I hear, training with a regional is no walk in the park either...
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:47 am



Quoting Whoopwhoop (Reply 23):
Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
As long as both seats aren't inexperienced, with one seat flying well above minimums with plenty of airline specific experience,

I agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).



Quoting Whoopwhoop (Reply 23):
you COULDNT be more wrong with that statement.

I second that. I had a friend who was doing IOE at a regional. He said it was the scariest f******* thing he'll ever done. "Hazard pay"
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:24 pm

I'm not a pilot, but I am a frequent flier, and this causes me great concern.

If you argue that as long as the Captain is experienced everything will be ok, why not fly without the FO? Why not hire FO's who aren't even pilots?

It's bad enough the airlines aren't paying some of their RJ pilots enough to live on. Lowering the minimum requirements is something else. I think we have a serious problem here.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:42 pm

I was looking at Piedmont's hiring mins. 300tt, 40 ME. I hope they don't run into a guy who is not honest, and who lies about his/her multi-engine experience. because then what???
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:03 pm



Quoting Contrails (Reply 27):
If you argue that as long as the Captain is experienced everything will be ok, why not fly without the FO? Why not hire FO's who aren't even pilots?

Because they would be hiring the average a.netter.. Or the average 13-15 year old who claims to be a pilot.

Quoting Contrails (Reply 27):
I think we have a serious problem here.

We do, but nothing is going to change.

Listen, they may 'hire' you but your not with the company until you pass training, your IOE/Check ride. I know for a fact that not everyone who is invited to attend training passes.
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:51 pm



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
I agree. The Captain is there to make decisions (takes lots of experience), the FO is there to push the buttons (doesn't take much experience, if any for some people).

That is the most ridiculous comment I have ever read when it comes to pilots. Perhaps you need to do a little research before you make stupid comments like this! You are part correct, in saying the captain is there to make decisions, but if you think all the FO does is push buttons, then you have another thing coming! Almost every segment (or leg) of the trip the captain and FO take turns pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Even though the captain has the final authority and responsibility, the FO has to make a lot of decisions and holds a lot of responsibility when he is the pilot flying! Go shoot an approach down to minimums whiles hand flying an RJ at 140Kts and see just east it is. I can sure tell you not just anyone can do it!! SO please....have a little more consideration for the FOs out there! They do a lot and go through a lot as it is!!!
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:33 pm

Here's another good article on the topic of pilot hiring, both in the US and globally, and possible impact on safety. Check out the guy who was hired with 300 hours...

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2007/12/07/askthepilot256/
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:53 pm



Quoting Juventus (Reply 28):
I was looking at Piedmont's hiring mins. 300tt, 40 ME. I hope they don't run into a guy who is not honest, and who lies about his/her multi-engine experience. because then what???

Piedmont's training department brags about how many people wash out of their training. Couple that with the fact that their "newest" captains have about six years with the company and I don't see it as much of an issue there. Now the places that are upgrading guys after a year and a half are the ones that scare me. The ego and hubris shown by most pilots in their mid twenties is pretty bad and when that's the guy in charge, I have reservations regarding safety.
 
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RE: Regional Airlines Reduce Pilot Minimums

Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:23 pm



Quoting Silentbob (Reply 32):
The ego and hubris shown by most pilots in their mid twenties is pretty bad and when that's the guy in charge, I have reservations regarding safety.

Well, the way it is today alot of CFI's are in their 20's, just building hours training up the future pilots in their teens and twenties. I don't think I've ever had an instructor much more than 5 years older than me, and sometimes the CFI is younger than the student.
Yet, planes still fly safely and I don't believe accident rates have gone up at all. Pilots in their 20's show alot more responsibility than your typical 20-something year old.
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