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What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:58 am

I have no idea whether it is time flying, size, a government designation or what.
I suspect there will be some discussion about what everyone understands by legacy carrier.
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:04 am

I believe it refers to those airlines that existed prior to the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978.


American
United
Delta
Continental
Northwest
US Air
Alaska
Southwest

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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:14 am



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):

add US
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
American
United
Delta
Continental
Northwest
Alaska
Southwest



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
add US

...and subtract AS and WN. There are six legacy carriers:

US Airways
United Airlines
Delta Air Lines
Northwest Airlines
Continental Airlines
American Airlines


edit: left out AA. whoops!

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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:23 am



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3):
...and subtract AS and WN. There are five legacy carriers:

more like six DL,AA,UA,NW,CO,US
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:25 am



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 3):
...and subtract AS and WN. There are five legacy carriers:

US Airways
United Airlines
Delta Air Lines
Northwest Airlines
Continental Airlines

Both were carriers prior to 1978 and fit the legacy definition.
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:27 am

I believe it has to do with revenue strategy... i.e. WN, B6 and US (LCC) have worked twards a larger Middle of the road approach where as "legacies" utilize the extremes.... also hub/focus city strategy play into it.... I know in the USA, generally AA, UA, DL, CO, NW are considered "Legacy carriers", while US (LCC), WN, F9, AS, NK, Skybus, FL are all LCCs....
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):

more like six DL,AA,UA,NW,CO,US

Yep, my fault, thanks for the correction.

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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:29 am



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 5):
Both were carriers prior to 1978 and fit the legacy definition.

Alaska could be one but Southwest seems to market themselves as an LCC.


Just my opinion, but I think that there are only seven (AA, UA, DL, NW, CO, US, AS)


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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:29 am



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 5):
Both were carriers prior to 1978 and fit the legacy definition.

but they call them selfs LCCs(as does US but we still call them a legacy for some reason)
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:19 am

for kicks... can be defined as:

an airline entity that existed in a regulated environment prior to 1978 that, in collection with it's peer lagacy entities, spent billions of dollars and dedicated trillions of manhours building scheduling long-lasting paradigms, airport improvements, establishing consumer pricing and revenue control models, and partnering in the development of countless aircraft designs that still hold the test of time today.........in essence laying the framework of the USA's commerical aviation infrastructure.....

.......only to be trounced and beaten silly by post-deregulation carriers that did none of this, yet reap the benefits while they drag said legacies into the mire.

I know, overblown - but thought it was humorous. FYI, I consider WN a legacy carrier whether WN does or not. "Legacy" doesn't have to mean "cheap" - to me it means the definition of the word legacy itself - in short - "one that brings history." But I guess it's just a matter of opinion. I think the term was made up on Wall Street anyway.
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:32 am

How about this for a definition...
An interstate or international carrier which operated during the time period which airlines were regulated, before 1978.

That would leave WN off the list and still encompass everyone we see today as legacies.
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:39 am



Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 10):
Legacy" doesn't have to mean "cheap

pardon - meant to say "legacy" doesn't have to mean "expensive" - as in vs. LCC.

To further the point - Midwest is not a legacy, and it's not really an LCC either. Some might say the same of Virgin America.

Also begs another interesting question:

Does "LCC" mean low-cost on the consumer pricing side...... or..... low cost on the airline's expense side. Hmm. Meditate on this question I will (with Yoda) and get back to you all.
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:41 am



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 11):

So your saying that when in 1971 when WN operated DAL to HOU/SAT interstate this would leave them out of what is defined as a legacy?

FYI: Interstate means relating to or existing within the boundaries of a state. DAL-HOU and DAL-SAT would mean that.
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RE: What Defines A Legacy Carrier?

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:45 am

BeoingFever -

Actually - intERstate is between states. IntRAstate is within a state.

That's why we call our federal highways "interstate expressways"
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