ywg777
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Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Wed Aug 30, 2000 11:26 pm

It seems lately that every airline in Canada and Manitoba has been avoiding a large airport like YWG(Winnipeg International Airport) to establish any bases, mini-hubs or hubs. Its pretty sad for the city because the population is over 700,000 people. YWG has a lot of room for any development. Why arn't any canadian airlines putting up bases or even a mini- hubs at YWG? I personaly find it very disspointing why no airlines are intersted in the YWG market? Now the CDN Regional is sold to Air Canada they won't even put a base in YWG. For some reason YYC( Calgary) got chosen as well as YHZ. I am not counting the comutters airlines. When willl YWG ever get a based airline? What is your opions on this?
Thanks for your time
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Also YWG is geographicly in the center of Canada.
 
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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Thu Aug 31, 2000 1:31 am

Didn't Westjet recently start some new routes from YWG? While it's not exactly hub-like, it is additional service.

The major Canadian carrier(s) concentrate on the larger cities for hubs. While YWG is centrally located, it's the O&D traffic that makes hubs successful, and apparently YWG hasn't got as much O&D as other Canadian cities. Doesn't AC use YWG as a connecting point for some Northern cities?
 
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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Thu Aug 31, 2000 3:18 am

Yes, AC does use YWG for passengers to connect to NWTair for service to Rankin Inlet and other northern Maintoba towns that are serviced by Bearskin etc.

From the amount of times I've been to YWG, (my home airport) and YYZ, (my second home airport), I would way rather connect in YYZ seeing as how YWG was not designed as a hub. This is my reasoning as to why YWG is not a hub, (I'm probably wrong).

Back in the day when aircraft did not have the range to do routes such as YYZ-YYC etc., they often had to make a fuel stop in airports like YWG. So YWG and other airports where built not to accomadate people waiting for 2 hours for connecting flights, but rather as an airport where people got on one plane and didn't need to make a connection.

That was my reasoning but it seems logical to me anyways. For YWG to be a hub, it would have to be fixed up past security for people that have to wait 2 hours for their next flight. They are on their way to this, a good example is the new Maple Leaf Lounge, but the majority of the people don't travel business class. There needs to be a more open area and a lot more stuff to do beyond security. If and when they do design a new terminal, they have to make it more appealing for those that spend 2+ hours waiting for flights. And we are just to close to YYZ and YYC for us to be a hub. Maybe a mini-hub in the future. Thats what I bet.

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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Thu Aug 31, 2000 5:04 am

I can see YWG becomming a Mini-hub hopefully soon to "a" airline. I don't know which one though. Maybe AC new regional airline may get a hub in YWG. I am hoping for the best of the future. YYC is already a hub to Westjet, AC, CP, Also now CDN regional. YYC is over loaded with airlines and YWG hardly even has a passenger airline. At one point YWG was going to try to start to get a regional airline based in YWG but I think that fell through because the CEO of waa had to make a decision about the regional airline. Also in he early 90's greyhound flew into YWG. I think it was there connecting point. I just wsh that any airline will develop some type of a hub system in YWG.
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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Fri Sep 01, 2000 12:15 am

I was reading a artcle in the winnipeg free press today about this exact topic. I would suggest to have a look at it. But YWG is getting bigger because found out from a website that there might be another jetway added. more details to follow. Also YWG is getting a 50% increase of flights this winter 
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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Fri Sep 01, 2000 12:16 am

Its not a big deal to have a city as a hub Westjet is hubed at yhm in the east but its nothing big if I could take all the westjet flight and give them to YWG and all of YWG flight and give them to YHM I would because they haveonly flow here for a few months and im already getting sick of them but it will be better when the -700 coms but atleast you have a few AC CP WJ C3000 and other at YWG all I get is WJ WJ and more WJ
 
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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Fri Sep 01, 2000 1:48 am

YWG777, you're way too fixated on the term of "hub." It's not that important whether an airline designates the city as a hub or not, what is important is whether or not the airlines serve the market well.

As far as hubbing, really domestic routes aren't hubbed very much: you can fly nonstop on most major routes. In this context, what's the big deal with hubbing?

Also, as to CRAL being in Calgary, they're already there, and AC can't very well move their base (remember the no involuntary transfer agreement with the government as part of the merger process?). Also, CalmAir has a Winnipeg crew base, and they're a CRAL partner carrier.

And WestJet is hardly what I'd call "hubbed," they're basically a point-to-point carrier, or they use some bus stop style routes, not much true hubbing.

In the past CP didn't have the mainline network at YWG, and AC didn't have the regional network. Hopefully the combination of CalmAir/Canadian Regional/Canadian/Air Canada/AirBC gives better connectivity to develop the market.

AC_A340, I agree that the terminal at YWG needs some upgrading. Architecturally I love it, but the secured area isn't that roomy. What is really needed is an expansion, which is in the process of happening. With CanJet, RootsAir, WestJet, Transat, C3 and Royal all expanding in the market, terminal space is becoming an issue that needs to be addressed.

I rather doubt we'll see a hub player at YWG (although location is absolutely perfect for a Greyhound-style venture) but O&D, and regional traffic will be strong. YYC, YWG, YHZ, YOW, and YEG aren't really hubs (YYC is to an extent, but nothing like a really major hub) but for Canada's airlines they are what I'd call "focus cities" as they are definitely the cities that, along with the hubs at YUL, YYZ and YVR, get the most attention of airlines in terms of service.

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Ray, have you heard anything of what's happening with Hamilton Airlines, or possibly some charters into YHM?
 
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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Fri Sep 01, 2000 7:14 am

Well, I don't think that Winnipeg will ever necissarily be a great "hub" to the extent that YYZ or YVR have become. It may, become more of a "Focus city" or a mini hub of some sort. Air Canada/CAI/"The Evil Empire" have preaty well esstablished the prominance of YYC as their western mini-hub, so if there is any hope of YWG becoming an airline's routing center, it will most likely be one of the smaller players.

In regards to the article that was posted before, I do agree that YWG has been underserviced in some areas as compared to other cities but this is no reason to make YWG a hub. This simply means that airlines should consider adding aditional seats/frequencies out of YWG to their current hubs (YYZ/YVR)

I must admit that it would be very nice to have a "hub" type operation here in YWG as it would mean a greater number of destinations would be acessable non stop through our airport. Unfortunatly, YWG is a feeder airport (for AC anyway) for YYZ,YYC, and YVR when you realy look at the bulk of routings, and I don't see this changing in the imediate future.

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RE: Airlines Avoiding YWG To Establish A Base Or Hub

Fri Sep 01, 2000 11:16 pm

I agree with you totally on that kyle. AC183,
You made some good points. YWGT will hopefully become a major base for AC/CP. Also AA may reconsider the YWG market. It will give comption on new routes.
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