AFa340-300E
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Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 4:04 am

Hello,

Lufthansa code-shares on Air Canada’s daily Boeing 747-400 service on YUL-FRA.
British Airways operates one daily flight with a 747-200 (BA095/096) if I’m correct.

Air France has been servicing Montreal for quite a long time:
1946 Air France gets the approval for flights to Montreal among other cities in North America
5 October 1950 Air France starts the New York-Montreal-Paris-Rome route
25 October 1953 Air France starts the twice weekly Chicago-Montreal-Paris route
20 October 1995 The Air France flight from Montreal is the first international flight to land at Chicago O’Hare
2 February 1960 Air France inaugurates the Los Angeles-Montreal-Paris route with a Boeing 707
24 April 1960 Air France upgrades the Chicago-Montreal-Paris to jet service with the Boeing 707
10 June 1970 Air France introduces the Boeing 747-100 on the Chicago-Montreal-Paris route
May 1998 Air France introduces the Boeing 777-200ER on the CDG-YUL route
March 2000 Air France introduces the Boeing 747-400 on the second daily flight (one daily flight in winter)


Also I think Austrian Airlines started the VIE-YUL route this year (early May), and operates a twice-weekly flight using an A310.

On 2 June 2000, Tarom started a service from Bucharest using an A310.

Air Canada operates an A330-200 on CDG since 18 October 1999. They have also used the Boeing 747-400 and A340-300.
They also operate on LHR and FRA if I’m correct.

Anyone would have some additional information? What operators on this market have pulled out from Montreal?


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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 6:50 am

Here it goes:

AC: 7LHR
7CDG
7FRA
2TLV
2FCO(op.CP)
AF 14CDG
BA 7LHR
SU 2SVO
KL 7AMS
SN 6BRU
SR 7ZRH
OA 4ATH
OK 2PRA
also AT 4CAS and starting Jan26, MS 2CAI
IB/OS/LY all left this pas winter
OS' service was short-lived -from March to november

on top of that TS, C3000, Royal and Corsair all fly numerous flights a week to Europe -on some days of the week, there are 10 YMQ-France
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 12:39 pm

I think Montreal is totally under-serviced because my uncle flew yesterday to Dubai from Montreal with KLM. BA, SR were fully booked from Montreal-Europe. KL was also full, but he was lucky he found a place. When going back in September all Europe-Montreal flights are full so that means he has to fly through Detroit and then connect with NW to YUL. Oh and by the way AF BA uses B777 to YUL, and the AF is 2x daily year round, in winter a B747 and a B767 are used (I think). Correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 4:20 pm

AC is flying the A330-300 not 200 on YUL-CDG,and i've never seen the 747-400 but the old 747-200 which has been retired since the airbuses arrived.oddly this week the A340-300 is back on the YUL-CDG...
AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE LI TN
 
Transat1011
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 5:25 pm

Hello, Apparently Air France will go back to one daily flight (dropping AF344/345) at the end of October. Rgds, Transat1011
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 8:49 pm

Royal Jordanian has pulled out of Montreal and Toronto.Wonder why?
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Noise
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 10:05 pm

AC presured the government of Canada to force AF to stop all 2nd. daily flights to YUL. Now, AF will start with only 1 daily flight. I hope they go back to 2.
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 10:12 pm

AC operates either A340-300 or B767-300 to Frankfurt from Montreal.
 
IndianGuy
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 11:02 pm

AI used to operate a 747-200 to Montreal and Toronto from BOM/DEL via LHR. Service has been suspended for some time now.

One of AI's jumbos 'Emperor Kanishka' was blown up inflight on this very route, by terrorists.
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Thu Aug 31, 2000 11:07 pm

20 October 1995 The Air France flight from Montreal is the first international flight to land at Chicago O’Hare

Do you mean 1955?
 
polaris
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Fri Sep 01, 2000 1:32 am

Noise: where did you get this information? On a seasonal basis Air France adds a second daily flight to Montreal because of consumer demand. Same will probably happen next summer. Where did you get info about AC pressuring the government?
 
AFa340-300E
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1955

Fri Sep 01, 2000 1:37 am

Hello AC_340,

Yes of course: 1955 not 1995!   Sorry for my mistake.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Fri Sep 01, 2000 2:06 am

Tarom has an A310 service into Montreal from Bucharest. I am not sure what days this operates.
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To: Polaris

Fri Sep 01, 2000 3:09 am

I got this info from the Montreal-Dorval International Airport Enthusiast Page's Message Board.

This is true, AC wants to "take over" YUL. They are doing a pretty good goob at that, they just recently sent El Al away and now it seems they are doing it to AF.
 
AFa340-300E
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AC Pushing AF Out

Fri Sep 01, 2000 3:20 am

Hello,

Interesting... But I don't think they'll be able to "send away" Air France that easily. In the El Al case, Air Canada had much to gain. But in the Air France case they would loose access to the French market, which is among the largest from YUL -because of the historical links and the waves of French tourists who visit Montréal and Canada.

Could you please give us the URL of the Montreal-Dorval International Airport Enthusiast Page's Message Board?


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Thank you,

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Alain Mengus
 
Noise
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RE: AC Pushing AF Out

Fri Sep 01, 2000 5:31 am

The URL of the Montreal-Dorval International Airport Enthusiast Page is http://www.cam.org/~hill/dorvalairport.html

There, you can find the message board, a news section, an image gallery and much more.
 
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RE: AC Pushing AF Out

Fri Sep 01, 2000 6:13 am

AC can't push out AF, it's AF that controls its own flights, and makes its own decisions.

I really don't see AC wanting YUL to itself... look at the price war in the making between Royal and CanJet, AC didn't start it, and is thus far keeping out of it... AC wants a good sized hub, but competitors are starting to chip away at its YUL market, and AC market share will decline in the next few years. IMHO the reason why some airlines may drop YUL is partly because of the new world of alliance hubs, and frequency based schedules: charter passengers are willing to take weekly flights, but business passengers want daily flights even if it means changing planes at FRA instead of going direct flights once a week.
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Fri Sep 01, 2000 6:41 pm

Regarding AF and El Al in Montreal: remember that what you read on these enthusiasts pages is often opinion and not fact. Airlines have input in bilateral agreements that are signed by governments. Every effort is made to make these agreements fair to all but sometimes one side or the other is not totally happy. El Al pulled out of Montreal because they said they could not compete. El Al still serves Toronto. For Air France: if market demand requires a second daily flight, they will add a second daily flight. If Air Canada requires a second daily flight, they will add a second daily flight. All is possible as long as it is within the bilateral agreement signed between France and Canada.
 
AFa340-300E
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Fri Sep 01, 2000 10:42 pm

Hello,

Polaris, you're totally right.

Note that Air Canada has tried to hurt Cathay Pacific, British Airways and Air France earlier this year by charging the domestic legs these airlines book their passengers on (it is to say AC flights) with unrelaealistic fares. BA had a threaten to suspend their flights and ask to British government to suspend the bilateral.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Sat Sep 02, 2000 1:18 am

Royal airlines have recently signed an agreement with almost every airlines in Canada that are not STAR members to provide connections. -for more info, try http://www.acemployee.com then click news and scroll down...-They will add a business class and more aircraft. This solves the problem that CX, BA and AF were facing.
On a different note, RT does flies twice weekly which i forgot to mention.
 
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RE: Europe-Montreal

Mon Oct 09, 2000 3:03 am

Just a quick October update to all this.. Egyptair and Lacsa plan to start flights to Montreal this fall. Cubana is switching to Dorval from Mirabel this month. Canjet began domestic flights this month. Roots Air and Westjet have stated they want in to Montreal this fall or early next year. Air France announced last week it intends on keeping the 2nd daily flight to Paris and plans to add a 767-300 (3rd daily flight) next summer. On the down side Delta handed over their Cincinnati flights to Comair. Overall though, pretty positive news for a generally small market international airport.
 
AFa340-300E
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Carrib

Mon Oct 09, 2000 4:21 am

Hello,

Do you mean they intend to keep the 2nd daily flight for this winter?

According to the Canadian daily newspaper "La Presse", they would plan to add a third daily flight year-round, and at least to have three flights in summer and two in winter.

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus