thomacf
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What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 10:36 am

What ever happened to American Airlines hubs at Nashville and Raleigh? I know they shut them down a few years ago but why?
 
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 10:46 am

System Overcapicity.
 
Tan Flyr
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 5:57 pm

Simple, they were not profitable.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 7:13 pm

Neither were profitable, nor big enough. AA is probably kicking itself today for not sticking with RDU though, as this would have enabled them to build a much
stronger East Coast presence that could have offset UA's growth at IAD, US at
PHL and CLT, DL at ATL, and CO at EWR.

 
LoneStarMike
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 7:35 pm

I think another reason is that AA wanted to make better use of its assets and redeployed that equipment to build up the MIA hub.

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ncflyer
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 7:51 pm

I don't think RDU ever got a fair shot from AA. I thought it strange at the time that AA built two new hubs reasonably close together-- therefore both were subscale and competing against each other. Had AA only picked RDU, maybe it would have been profitable. RDU has: excellent location geographically, great weather (i.e. few delays), little congestion, and the demographics of this market are quite good for O/D traffic. A little known factoid is that RDU has more O/D than Charlotte (Even before the arrival of SWA), even though Charlotte has a huge hub there. This is an upscale, well educated, highly mobile community. JI has very ambitious expansion plans here, with the aircraft on order to back it up, and contrary to popular opinion, they are ONLY a low fare airline when they compete with SWA, otherwise they are as expensive as the rest ($850 walkup fare to LGA for instance).
 
HyperMike
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Tue Sep 05, 2000 8:54 pm

ncflyer hit it on the nose!
 
blink182
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 4:11 am

isn't there a flight from raliegh to london that AA operates daily?
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DeltaRNOmd-80
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 4:27 am

Blink182, LoL, good one  
 
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 4:59 am

Yes, Blink182, there is. AA Flight 301 operates out of Raleigh/Durham, and flies to London Heathrow on a daily basis. It's operated by AA's new A3XX jets.  
 
flyguy1
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 5:18 am

AA operates RDU-LGW daily with a 767-300ER. This route is left over from the hub days.
727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
 
AAR90
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 5:43 am

RDU lost its survival rating with the purchase of Eastern's MIA hub. BNA lost its survival to the decision to protect ORD and DFW hubs during mid-90's.

Both were marginally profitable at their peak, but both didn't make enough profit compared to other more lucrative operations elsewhere.

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ncflyer
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 5:49 am

While I don't have any Hard data, most local frequent travelers will tell you that the RDU LGW flight is subsidized in some manner by Glaxo Wellcome, US HQ in RTP, WW HQ in London. We RDU locals call the flight the Glaxo shuttle.

Can't imagine this flight would exist otherwise, as it's often empty, and almost ALWAYS available at charter rates. Furthermore, the flight has no feed, since AA has no hub here anymore.

Wonder if anyone out there knows the details of the subsidy. Even my travel agent says it's subsidized somehow.
 
sn330
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 6:41 am

Evidently, the LGW flight must be doing good if American has kept it there this long. They withdrew LGW-BNA service several years ago.
 
N960AS
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RE: What Happened To American's Hubs

Wed Sep 06, 2000 7:10 am

In AMR's anual report for 1999 there's a time line and for 1995 they state "Operations in Raliegh/Durham and Nashville were scaled back and resources shifted to more productive hubs."
In June I flew AA from LAX-DFW-RDU, it was a 763 and there was no change of planes in DFW. In RDU there was only one other AA aircraft, another 763 but a bunch of Midways.
Also on a side note at RDU I saw an A310 that said "State of Qatar" or something. Anyone know what that was doing there?