ishky15
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AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Tue Sep 05, 2000 8:43 pm

Does AA consider any of these cities a hub? Are they going to build any of them up so they can consider them hubs?
 
mbmbos
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Tue Sep 05, 2000 8:56 pm

I'm sure that AA would cringe at the term "focus city", but I think that Boston qualifies. They've put a lot of special attention into the Boston market, and, as a result, it appears that they've won a major share of the West Coast business travel from Boston.

UA has pulled out of San Jose and San Diego nonstops from Bean Town. AA has beefed up their presence in the BOS-SFO market and currently operates the most widebody flights to the Left Coast.

By winning these prestige routes, AA capitalizes on its image as a business traveler's airline offering convenient nonstops to desirable business locations. I can only assume that it gets the old momentum rolling for AA for the rest of their Boston operation.

As for BOS becoming a hub for AA, I can't imagine why any airline would consider BOS as a major hub operation. Weather is too iffy, gate space is too tight, costs are too high, and Boston isn't in the middle of a region where a hub and spoke operation makes sense.
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Tue Sep 05, 2000 10:10 pm

Right fter UA pulled out of SAN from BOS, AA went in and opened up the route, and they have one to SJC as well.

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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Tue Sep 05, 2000 10:53 pm

When AA picked up Reno they also got some routes and gate space at SEA in addition to their MD-83's. They haven't been much of a player here in the past and I haven't heard of any plans to expand their presence here. They fly mostly to DFW, ORD, SJC and LAX/SNA from here. They've introduced 738 service to BOS but I don't think there are any plans to make this a "focus" city on their route network.
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Tue Sep 05, 2000 10:54 pm

mbmbos,

AA wouldn't cringe at term "focus city," since that is exactly what they are. Infact, that's what they call them themselves......

LAX has been built up little by little over the past year. However, the schedule structure at LAX is not one of a hub, buta rather than a major focus city with connecting opportunities. SJC is sort of the same deal. You will note, however, that everything is set up to arrive and depart to feed the SJC-NRT-SJC trips much like a hub. SEA is not a connecting city at all unless you are considering the connections to and from NRT and ANC and other than that, there isn't anything else.
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Tue Sep 05, 2000 11:29 pm

Yeah LAX, SJC, and BOS are all citys that receive more "focus" or "attention" than say Nashville, Detroit, or Helena, Montana. AA isn't planning on making these citys the next DFW, but will prudently add flights from them when opportunities or economics dictate them to do so. I've connected on AA through LAX and it was a pain in the ass. Going from the Eagle out-facility to the SFO outbound flights involved waiting for a bus, taking a bus, waiting on a bus, walking up a large outdoor stairway, going around security, and than a long walk through T3. Not the greatest facility.

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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 4:20 am

Boston is definately a major focus city, and maybe even a mini hub,AA has focused most of it's attention to BOS,I won't call it an ORD DFW or MIA,it is up there.
LAX has gotten some focus(remodeling of terminal,bigger gates installed to handle widebodies) so it is definately a focus city, SJC is what I would consider a hub for the southwest,most of American's south west flights are out of SJC and they seem to be growing so I would probably call it a mini hub,there has also been talk of starting a london flight from san jose too. SEA is on and off,if AA can merge with alaska or get even closer, SEA will see a lot of Silverbirds then. LGA is not much so I would not even call it a focus city.
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WorldVoyager
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 4:26 am

According to their in-flight magazine, LAX is an American hub.
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 6:34 am

American is touting it's near 200 daily American, American Eagle/Business Express flights heavily in Boston these days. American Eagle is beefing up it's schedule with new flights to Montréal and Toronto. They are steadily replacing Business Express and soon American Eagle will be all over Boston. I would be sore if AE moves all these flights to JFK when the Terminal opens.

I believe they have unused rights to Rome, They got from TWA when they dropped the route about 8 years ago, and now that ALITALIA moved it's Rome-FCO flight to Milan-MXP, Rome is no longer served from Boston. They also have rights to Tokyo, but slot restraints at Narita have prevented them from capitalising on this route. United apparantly thinks that they'll be able to serve this route if the UA/US merger goes through, but I'd like to know where they plan to get the slots.

Overall I believe American's main focus in Boston will be American Eagle, and short haul flights.

Also, Trvlr, American initiated service to SAN first, with United following a few months later, but American advertised more, especially in the San Diego area, and after about a year, American increased their schedule and United dropped the route. Today American shows 4 flights from SAN-BOS, and 2 BOS-SAN (someone explain why their are two more flights on SAN-BOS, compared to BOS-SAN!). Just a little FYI!

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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 6:45 am

Actually, I think AA is not going to pull out of BOS once the terminal is built in JFK. If they were going to, then why did they bother operating new routes from BOS. Also I think AA is finding that SJC is becoming a convenient alternative to overcrowded SFO. I would definitely consider BOS and SJC focus cities. Also, DL has a big prescence at Lax but they don't consider it a hub. It is just necessary for the majors to maintain their image at Los Angeles
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 6:54 am

226 0845 30 1707 B26 737 B9 109
END OF LISTING
>Today American shows 4 flights from SAN-BOS,
>and 2 BOS-SAN (someone explain why their are
>two more flights on SAN-BOS, compared to
>BOS-SAN!). Just a little FYI!

Hmmmm.... According to the AA ops computer we're only flying one flight per day.

26A/SAN/BOS/06SEP
AS OF 05SEP/2047
DEPARTS ARRIVES
FLT TIME GATE TIME GATE EQUIP
226 0845 30 1707 B26 737

26A/BOS/SAN/06SEP
AS OF 05SEP/2047
DEPARTS ARIVES
FLT TIME GATE TIME GATE EQUIP
225 1810 B26 2130 31 737

Same aircraft used for both flights.
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 7:37 pm

AAR90...Um, I don't see the extra 4 flights. Where are you looking / flight numbers? However, having more flights in one direction than another doesn't surprise me. Especially with September 6 being a schedule change date. What does surprise me is four more flights (total both ways) than what is naturally scheduled (1 round trip).

WorldVoyager....The AA inflight magazine only lists LAX with other major cities. It does not, however, specify that LAX is a hub. In the most recent addition, isn't the airport diagram under the title "Terminals" and in older additions under the title "Connections" rather than under a title of "Hubs"?
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Wed Sep 06, 2000 7:48 pm

I realised my mistake this morning, and I should've noticed it earlier, especially after one listed flight showed the flight in an MD-80. Yes there is only one flight a day, the other flights are via JFK, DFW, and ORD. Sorry!

I also forgot to mention, American recently signed agreements to triple the size of their side of Terminal B. They plan to add another level, increase the size of the Admiral's lounge. They also have plans to get US Immigration and Customs, which would signal plans for an increase in international traffic.

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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Thu Sep 07, 2000 3:26 am

AA has beefed up presence at SEA since the takeover of Reno Air. AA serves MIA, ORD, ANC, JFK, NRT, DFW, BOS, SJC, LAX/SNA, and Reno (RNO?). I may have forgotton some. AA's gates are full during peak periods in the afternoon at SEA, so they are stronger now then they have ever been.
 
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Thu Sep 07, 2000 9:02 am

CannedSpam wrote:

>AAR90...Um, I don't see the extra 4 flights.
>Where are you looking / flight numbers?

The above is a quote from what you (CannedSpam) wrote in a previous message. The ">" symbol denotes the lines quoted and comes from the pre-internet days of local BBS' and their phone networks linking them together. If you'll re-read my message again you'll see that I quoted a previous message and then pointed out that AA has but the single daily 737 round trip in the BOS-SAN non-stop market.

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Trvlr
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Thu Sep 07, 2000 9:14 am

I do remember AA advertising the SAN-BOS route heavily here; I can recall full page advertisements in the San Diego Union Tribune announcing the nonstop service.
AA, as well as Delta, Continental, and USAirways all have direct same-plane flights from SAN to BOS and United, AmWest and TWA also have direct same planes on the way back.
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The SEA-ANC flight has just been discontinued (announced today) due to poor load statistics on the route.

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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Thu Sep 07, 2000 7:09 pm

AAR90...Ah, I see now. I didn't see that you were quoting someone else and thought you saw that in SABRE. That is why I asked about the flight numbers....my mistake.

Aarron...SEA-ANC wasn't canceled because of poor load statistics but instead was canceled because of poor profitability.
 
Trvlr
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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Thu Sep 07, 2000 7:13 pm

Something like that  . The official announcement said "disappointing traffic and revenue performance"

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RE: AA In BOS, LAX, SJC, LGA, And SEA

Fri Sep 08, 2000 6:50 am

>SEA-ANC wasn't canceled because of poor load
>statistics but instead was canceled because of
>poor profitability.

>The official announcement said "disappointing traffic
>and revenue performance"

Gotta read what the beancounters write real closely. 13 years of practice and the doublespeak is still hard to understand... but just a bit easier to spot.  


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