SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 5:14 am

Why Singapore Airlines trades A343 with Boeing's B777?

Will SQ buy B777X in the future? (Or phased A345/346 in the future and replace them by B777X?)
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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 5:31 am

SQ traded in their A340-300Es because their customers and accountants prefer the 777-200ER. SQ found that the 777-200ER could arrive at its destination up to an hour earlier than the A340, get to cruising altitiude more expeditiously (which helps over the Indian Ocean). Passengers also preferred the cabin and amenities that the 777 offer.
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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 6:05 am

This is news to me! I didn't know they were getting rid of their A340s. When will the A340s be retired?

CX747, when you say the accountants preferred the 777-200ER, do you mean that it is more economical to operate than the 340? I thought the converse is true. ?

Also, do the 777s have the range to fly the longest haul routes that the Airbuses are currently flying?
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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 6:12 am

Well, if the 777-200ER can fly the Guangzhou-Los Angeles route year-round, yes, it certainly has the range to compare with the A340-300's that SQ is now flying. I believe that SQ will trade in the planes to Boeing in exchange for the 777-200ER, and Boeing in turn will sell the planes directly back to Airbus.
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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 6:41 am

The A340-200 can fly 8,000 nm. The A340-300 can fly about 200 miles less than the 777-200ER. The A340-300 carries 295 passengers, the 777-200ER carries 320.
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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 8:03 am

SIA ordered 61 B777 (not including SALE's order for 16 planes) in 1995, 28 firm and 33 options. The purchase of the B777-200ER was actually a conversion of options to firm orders.

SIA traded their 17 A340-300E for the 10 B777-200ER not because of fuel economics and why Airbus is not as good(.......), but the MAIN reason is that SIA will not have to go around searching for buyers of those planes.

If SIA were due to retire their A340 fleet, and cannot find buyers for the planes, Boeing is going to help them find buyers, thus saving SIA the trouble of looking for them.

SIA did not trade A340 FOR B777. It was merely an agreement for Boeing to take SIA's A340 fleet and help find buyers for them. I am not sure of any trade agreements between them.

Boeing in turn will sell the planes directly back to Airbus.

If I were Airbus, I will refuse to buy those planes and let Boeing get stuck with those ! (which i believe what Airbus will do if that really happens.   )

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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 9:48 am

Just a few notes:

- SQ has 15 A340-300s in service, plus 2 on order.
- The deal with Boeing states that Boeing will buy the aircraft only if SQ (or Boeing) cannot find a buyer before the first begin to be phased out (2nd Qtr. 2001).
- The 777-200ER, which will replace the A340-300, has a slightly greater range, so yes, they can fly anywhere these aircraft currently do.

There have been rumours going around that SQ is in fact going to keep the A340s. Some have even suggested the 777 deal has been called off. This is not true. As a form of verification, I can now confirm that the first 10 aircraft are now for sale. They are listed in Boeing's Aircraft Trading index, with availability from 2nd Qtr. 2001 to 4th Qtr. 2002. Follow this link to see more specifics:

You'll need Adobe Acrobat reader so see it. The A340's are listed on page #2.

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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 4:32 pm

......Airbus has no intention of taking back those A340's, and at one time was refusing after sales service to the airlines they were sold to.....not going to happen though.....
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RE: SQ A340-300/B777

Thu Sep 07, 2000 7:06 pm

I'm sure there are some airlines interested in the A343s, as they are quite new and possibly available at good prices. There are quite many A343 operators and many of them might be interested in fleet expansion.
To sell the aircraft to A343 operators seems to be a good solution, as Boeing won't loose a customer for the B777, and Airbus couldn't refuse service for these aircraft, as they don't want to get into trouble with their own customers. Imagine, if long time Airbus CX buys some of them, AI wouldn't refuse service support...

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