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Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 6:18 am

Could anybody enlighten with any information about the post deregulation hubs that airlines set up, which are now closed, like AA at RDU, BNA, and TUL; US at Dayton; CO at GSO; etc., etc.,. If anyone can help me with this it would be appreciated since I am planning to write a book on this topic in the next few years.


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RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 8:37 am

Well, I am not sure what you mean, but I experienced Continental's Greensboro hub in November of 1994. It was originally developed only as a focal point for Continental Lite. They offered connections from the northeast to Florida and points in Georgia, and the Carolina's. They also offered connections through other places like Charleston, Norfolk, and Greenvile. Well after the "Lite" operation went under, Continental decided to concentrate on Greensboro and make it a full fledged hub since it was the larger of the "Lite" operations. In 1996, they decided to pull out of Greensboro because they needed the aircraft used there to develop Houston, Cleveland, and Newark. Greensboro actually did good for them, but the aircraft were needed at the other hubs. Continental had their own concourse at Greensboro and when I was there it was packed with people. As for AA at RDU and BNA, I guess they just weren't profitable. RDU was used as the East Coast hub (norht south) while BNA seemed to be more of a west-east connecting point.
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RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 8:39 am

Delta at Portland.
Continental at Denver
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RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 9:07 am

Braniff (II) at Kansas City.

And, if they'd had the good sense to move the HQ there from Dallas, instead of to Florida, and to aggressively develop the KC hub, it could have worked well.

Great facility (it was new, then, and nearly empty), perfectly located for hub ops.
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RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 6:25 pm

A couple of points CODC-10, 1st, AA has a big maint. base at TUL, but no hub. Also, In the planning the RDU was supposed to be a ne/se hub and BNA a midwest/se hub. Cody is correct BNA had several flts to LAX mostly for the music industry. For a while 757's were assigned to it, then later down to md-80's has the hub slowed.
Don't forget SJC, had a pretty good jet hub with eagle support from many smaller/mid sized Calif. cities. Now AA is back into building SJC up again. Other Post dereg hubs that come to mind was a mini DL at LAX, and I think EA had one at MCI for a while. Hope this helps.
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RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 6:52 pm

I recall Western trying to develop IAH as a hub. Eastern also attempted to develop IAH as a night flight only & cargo hub at one point. After its acquisition of National, Pan Am tried to play up the strengths of IAH. Funny, a lot of carriers saw the strategic potential in Houston and thought they could compete with Texas International. Sounds like an interesting account should be written...

And United, in all their hubris, decided they could establish a hub in MCO and muscle Delta out of the way. That didn't last too long.
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RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 8:26 pm

Yes Eastern did indeed use both Kansas City and Houston Intercontinental as hubs. Kansas City was mainly used to connect east to west traffic. It helped offset Eastern's extensive route structure (which was also extensively seasonal) on the eastern seaboard. 727's, DC-9's. and 757's supported this operation. I don't recall one widebody. They used IAH as their "Moonlight Special" headquarters. A300's shuttled cargo around at night and took passengers along at cheap fares and no frills. I thought this was an excellent idea especially with Continental being at IAH. Had Texas Air have been thinking, this would have been a great location to connect the two airlines. However, IAH was downsized and the "Moonlight Special" was moved to ORD. ORD was not near the size that IAH was and did not last long. It eventually ended around 1988. MCI was closed in 1989 and Eastern eventually returned to Houston by way of Hobby, not Intercontinental. It's strange to have had a hub somewhere and eventually not even serve that airport anymore. Eastern also closed down their entire operation at JFK, including all passenger and maintenance services. Other not so known hubs that come to mind....TWA at MCI, CDG, and ATL, Republic at PHX and ATL, Texas International at DFW, United at CLE, Delta in Memphis, USAir at SYR, Air Florida at TPA and MIA, New York Air and Presidential at IAD, and People Express at EWR.

RE: Post-Deregulation Hubs (Now Closed)

Thu Sep 07, 2000 9:43 pm

I promise you that I can make money by running a flight between Indianapolis and Evansville, Indiana. Or between Memphis and Nashville, Tennessee. With three airplanes.

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