747orDie
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Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 10:56 pm

Well, about a year ago I posted that I booked a trip to Greece from JFK aboard an A340-300. The date is drawing near and I am getting rather excited. (A.K.A getting wood)

Any thoughts, opinions, experiences on OA A340's? Particularly their business Class service from ATH-JFK?

Many thanks!!!!!!!!!!@#$%^
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:04 pm

According to what other people have said about the return flight from ATH to JFK is that the flight now takes 11hrs on the A340-300 vs. 9hrs on the 747-200.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:07 pm

I flew ATH-JFK on Olympic in 1998 on the 747-200. It was dreadful.

 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:12 pm

Tedski.....come on...the A343 is slower than the 74 but not that slow.....
 
ben88
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:17 pm

To set the record straight I have actually flown similar routes on the 747, 767 and A340. On an 11 hour flight the 767 and A340 take about the same time, while the 747 does it about 20-25 minutes faster, so I don't know where Tedski is getting his information from. The only way it would take 11 hours as opposed to 9 would be if the A340 flew a longer trajectory.
 
747orDie
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:31 pm

Why was it dreadful, ContinentalEWR?

Anyway, I am traveling in row 2 in Business class in a new plane, not to mention the fact that there is a no-smoking policy now in effect.

Essentially, OA ATH-JFK has been re-invented with the introduction of the A340-300 vs. the old 747-200.

Granted, a better choice would have been a 747-400 or a 777. But you must admit, the A340-300 in business class beats any plane in coach!!
 
agrodemm
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:33 pm

Well, I will not say how faster or slower the A343 is vs the 742, however, I must say, that most of the Greek Americans had loved the Jumbo, and re rather unwilling to get over with the new Airbus.
Recently a friend of mine came from Greece, and told me that "the Airbus did not give him the same safety feeling than the 747........ "  

However, I must say, that from what I have heard, the service is good, the food decent, they serve Ouzo drinks as well   , PTVs in economy, and all the times that I went to JFK this summer to pick up friends from ATH, the flight was on-time, sometimes came earlier.... (strange for Olympic)

I hope you will enjoy your flight, especially if you are flying Business.

Regards,

agrodemm
 
alitis
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 07, 2000 11:55 pm

Just returned from a two week trip to Greece with OA from JFK. I have a few comments (observations really). The JFK-ATH-JFK flights were with OA's A340-300 aircraft. I am 6"1" and had a window seat in tourist class.For a tall person, a window seat in tourist clas on a A-340 is the worst place to be. First of all, while sitting in the upright position the wall curved up in such a way that it actually was touching the side of my head. Underneath the seat in front of you, is a 10 inch square box bolted to the floor that holds the inflight entertainment system for the passenger ahead of you, so you cannot stretch your legs under there or even stow a small bag there as you usually can in other planes. Also the seat pitch is quite small so that when the passenger in front of you reclines, the IFE screen is literally 6 inches from your face. Are all A340's like this? I don't remember OA's 747's being this cramped (window tourist seats). The restrooms also seemed quite small and I felt that I had to wiggle my way in and out of them. I also now experienced the slow climbing ability of the A-340 (via seat of the pants measurement) and it is true. We departed at 5pm from ATH with a packed plane and 95' weather, I'm sure this had a lot to do with it. Now onto OA service. I also took many domestic flights there with OA, ATH-SKG, ATH-ELF, and ATH-RHO, all round trip. I was impressed that all flights I took with OA departed and arrived on time. The food on the JFK-ATH-JFK flights was actually quite good. There was a choice of beef, chicken, or fish, served with a salad, bread, and dessert. Plenty of free wine, beer and other refreshments were also served. The IFE selections were good, 4 movies and alot of other channels to watch. However, YOU NEEDED TO BRING YOUR OWN HEADPHONES! Only business class got free headphones. Tourist class was never offered any, even if they wanted to pay. This was on the 9hr flight to ATH and the 10:45 hr flight back to JFK. If I didn't have my walkman with me I would have been quite upset. ALso, there was no inflight magazines on any of the 8 flights I took with OA. I guess they are doing everything possible to save money. The flight attendants were all cheerfull and helpful, the pilots made many announcements, especially if we were flying over anything interesting. Overall assessment- good flight except for the cramped window seat and no headphones deal. I walked up to business class and saw that the seats were MUCH more roomier and there was no issue of cramped seating. Let me know if you want any more details about any aspect of the trip.
 
alitis
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 08, 2000 12:02 am

To set the record straight:
flight times JFK-ATH and ATH-JFK with 747 and A340:

JFK-ATH 747: 9:00 hrs
340: 9:40 hrs

ATH-JFK 747: 9:45 hrs
340: 10:45

This is actual flight time, not published schedule times.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 08, 2000 12:02 am

This recent reply shows how slow climbing the CFM56 powered A340-300 really is when it is packed to the max. The A340-300 needs higher thrust engines like the RR RB211 series & P&W 2000 series with 40,000-45,000lbs thrust.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 08, 2000 12:11 am

Well, they're using Airbus A340-300s to replace the Boeing 747s.


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ben88
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 08, 2000 1:39 am

The fact that an airline doesn't offer headphones on a 10 hour flight would lead me to never fly that airline again. Even the U.S. airlines, which are not known for their service, provide free headphones on long flights. All European airlines i've flown on have provided free headphones on long flights. How are you supposed to know that they don't provide them? Do you just find out when you're on the plane and it's too late?
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 08, 2000 8:22 am

I dont care about little technical difference between the 747 and A340, The Olympic A340 is one of the most beautiful birds in the sky. The best Airbus at least. I love there classic paint scheme and four not two engines on the wings. It reminds me of there old 707s.

Just look at this jet!

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And again!

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Isn't she lovely?
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 08, 2000 4:28 pm

It would look better with P&W 2000 series or RR RB211 series engines on it's wings instead of those underpowered small CFM56s. Thank God on the new A340-500/600 it will have RR Trent 500 series engines with 50,000 to 60,000lbs thrust. I hope Olympic orders some of these aircraft with more passenger capacity to handle the busy JFK to ATH route.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Sat Sep 09, 2000 2:11 am

You really dont like the CFM56s do you Tedski?

 
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US Airways737

Sat Sep 09, 2000 8:06 am

The CFM56 is good on the 737 or A320 family of aircraft, but not on a wide body like the A340, this plane needs engines over 40,000 to 45,000lbs thrust.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Sat Sep 09, 2000 5:49 pm

Just a little note, about flight duration.

First of all, you all know for sure (or should) that east-bounded flights are longer than west-bounded ones. Comparing 9 hours on a 747 to 11 on a 340 seems too much to me that the 747 flight time was ATH-JFK and the 340 flight time was JFK-ATH.
Just trying to guess.
As for the times "alitis" wrote, Real Flight Time, acording to himself, you cannot asses anything firmly for having a chronometer on your hand. I've flown plenty of times BCN (my place) ATH and back, directly as well as via MAD, with both Iberia and Olympic. When the average distance MAD-ATH is 3h10, I've done it 2h45 east bounded (supposedly longer) on an A300, and 4h10 (YES: one hour longer!!!) on a 732, west bounded, even knowing that the 732 is a faster cruiser than both the A300 and the 734.
So I find the discussion on how long they need to "jump the pond" absolutely senseless.
Might you find airjets against you, no matter what are you flying on. You'lll be late.

Γειά σου, Αλίτη!! Τι κάνεις; Μ'ενα τέτοιο όνομα δεν μπορείς παρα νά'σαι έλληνας. Απο που εισαι (εσύ ή η οικογένειά σου ) και που μένεις;

Best turbulences.
 
OA269
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Sun Sep 10, 2000 2:57 am

First of all Olympic has plans to buy two more A340 after selling the 747s (by the way one is used again for ATH-JBG).These might be the -500/600.Personally I prefer to put both aircrafts in flights but since the 747s are not economical.And you can't compare A340 with 747 because it has new technology (maybe with a little underpowered engines) and more comforts (ptv,best business class ever etc).The A340 is a bigger A330 with 4 engines.The appropriate compatison is that of the A3XX with the 747.
As regards for Olympic's service and as a company I'm personally proud of it.And that because it keeps on being on first places of safe airliner and in flight service (Greek meals etc you know) despite the fact that it's in a very difficult phase in its history.I flew with A340 ATH-LHR twice and everything was excellent as always : FAs willing to serve, 5 different movies + the earphones (!!) all during tha flight , etc.And it lasted 3h.Excellent despite the fact that the plane was full.
 
alitis
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Mon Sep 11, 2000 4:30 am

The reason given by the flight attendants for no headphones were:JFK-ATH "technical problem" with the IFE, even though my own headphones worked just fine, and ATH-JFK "out of stock". The flights were almost 3 weeks apart and the headphone issue was not resolved during that time.
I am not knocking OA's service at all and am happy to see that it has dramatically improved over the last two years. I just hope they can overcome their current financial issues and continue to improve service and expand routes as was planned; eg. two daily JFK flights, and new service to SIA and possibly to ORD.
As the flights I am on are always packed, does anybody know OA's load factor?

OA269-I thought some of the 747's were sold and were to be transferred to a cargo company for conversion. Currently only SX-OAD 'Olympic Flame' is used for passenger service.

Turbulence-Makedonas tora sto Wash. D.C., esi?
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Mon Sep 11, 2000 4:29 pm

I hope Olympic buys some of those new A340-500/600s with powerful RR Trent 500s and more passenger capacity. They need these new aircraft to handle the busy summer season between JFK and ATH.
I would take these new models over the current A340-300 model which needs better powerful engines of 40,000lbs or more for takeoff and climb when it is filled to the max. Could Olympic trade in it's A340-300s for the new models if they wanted to?
 
OA269
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Wed Sep 13, 2000 1:45 am

I hope so Tedski, it will be a nice new fleet fully renewed inside (4 A340s,11 B737-700/800s,4 A300-600s, 2 B717s, 4 ATR & 2 Dornier).By the way Tedski what's the opinion of Greek-Americans about OA's A340 as a plane and comparatively with previous 747, also about the service and the flight which is now always full because of less seats ?
Alitis the B747s are being maintained to be ready for sell.Olympic Flame is used to cover high number of passengers during the summer in various destinations such as Rhodes Island and Johannesburg.I'm probably going to travel with it on Sunday to LHR, according to this weeks schedule.I'll let you know next month with photos taken.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Wed Sep 13, 2000 2:09 am

They miss the 747, had Olympic had the finances they should have went for the 747-400 or maybe the 777-200ER which I flew on with Delta Airlines from MCO to ATL earlier this year. This aircraft was like the 747 inside, very roomy with two window seats on each side and six middle seats. The engines were RR Trent 800 series with 92,000lbs thrust, and boy did this thing move down the runway and climbed very quickly. I have nothing against the A340 except for the engines, those small CFM56s don't belong on a wide-body. The P&W 2000 series or RR RB211 series used on the 757 should have been mounted on the A340-200/300. Hopefully the new RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600 will match the 777 in performance.
 
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OA269

Wed Sep 13, 2000 2:29 am

What university are you at in Athens? University of Athens? Maybe you know my cousin...

you can e-mail me...check my profile.
 
alitis
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OA 269

Wed Sep 13, 2000 3:18 am

Where can you get OA's weekly schedule? Also, did they really use a 747 for scheduled service to Rhodos or was this just a one time aircraft substitution?

-Alitis
 
OA269
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 14, 2000 3:08 am

Tedski we know that the 747s and the 777s are better than the A340s so you and many other people please stop advertising these 'American aircrafts'.Enough.But believe me more A340s with more frequent flights is a better solution than less 747-400s for Olympic.Plus A340 has the best Business class of every aircraft and it's very economical.
Louis I'm in London University that's why my nickname from the flight code of OA for this route.
Alitis you can find Olympic's schedule in its site www.olympic-airways.gr but don't rely on it because it can be changed at any time.I know these information from 'inside' OA because my father works for it.Olympic Flame is used when there're much more passengers for a route than usual so you can't know that more than 2-3 days before.I'm probably going to travel with Olympic Flame to London this Sunday because it's on schedule for this weekend's first flight to London on 9:30am.I'm happy because if I fly with it I will have flown with every kind of aircraft of OA (yes I've flown with all of its aircrafts !!).A300-600 normally takes this route and is always full.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 14, 2000 4:50 am

OA269, let's hope that Olympic gets some of those new A340-500/600s. These aircraft with better engines and more passenger capacity will help Olympic gain more profit on the JFK to ATH route where a large capacity aircraft is needed. I would love to fly on one of these new planes or any kind of Airbus, being a Greek-American I have only flown on Boeing (707, 720B, 737, 757, 767, & 777) and McDonnell Douglas built jetliners (DC-9/MD-80), so far.
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 14, 2000 5:11 am

I think once Olympic Airways works out it current financial situation, they should seriously consider buying the 777-300 Longer-Range.

Besides having the pax/cargo capacity akin to the 747 "Classics," the 777-300LR has almost the range of the 747-400, which means they can fly non-stop from ATH to the entire continental USA and also gly one-stop service from ATH to MEL (home to a large ex-patriate Greek population).
 
alitis
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 14, 2000 6:37 am

One more question about the 4 A340's that Olympic is now using. On a few other websites, they are listed as ex-Air France planes. Are they actually used Air-France planes or did Olympic "buy" 4 A-340 options from Air-France and then receive 4 new A-340's directly from Airbus?

Also, besides the 2 717's, which aircraft from the current fleet do they own and which are leased?

-Alitis
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Thu Sep 14, 2000 8:19 am

Lets hope that Olympic Airlines dosent look at anything else but an A340!
I am an American and I am sick of hearing this Airbus vs. Boeing B.S.!  
I think the A340 is the most beautiful jet to come out of Europe since the Concorde!  
It would be awful to see Olympic use the B777. My gosh the B777 is such a boring looking aircraft! It looks like a 737 on steroids!   The A340 is so elegant!  
Just look at these pictures again!

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This has to be one of the most distinguished jets in the sky!
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:59 am

I bet the A340-500/600 with those powerful RR Trent 500s in Olympic colors would look better than the CFM56 A340-300.
 
OA269
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Fri Sep 15, 2000 11:07 pm

Don't became repeated.OA can't afford to buy 747 or 777.Besides having more A340s with more frequent flights it's a better solution (currently 9 flights a week to NY).Agreeing with superfly I find that Americans built them tough, simple and easy to fly. Europeans build them sophisticated, more stately, roomier and wider.In this point of view I like the A340.The b777 it's just a big safe bird and only that.Technology-wise Airbus, with the accumulated knowledge of more than one nation, is ahead. The way you work on an Airbus reflects accurately European culture. Since these are instruments to be operated by humans there is an emphasis on how to do it and who does what in European airplanes whereas the Americans are not so specific. I guess it is a matter of taste anyhow!

Alitis it's the first time I hear that.Where did you find it ?
 
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OA269

Fri Sep 15, 2000 11:35 pm

Does the A340 have a backup manual control system like the 777 has in case the fly-by-wire system fails? Plus I read where pilots flying the 777 like having the old fashioned control yoke instead of the fighter plane type control stick.
 
alitis
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RE: Olympic A340-300's

Sat Sep 16, 2000 12:39 am

This is not a A vs B issue but rather a capacity question. Would OA like the extra capacity of a 777 or 747? You bet they would. However, inlight of OA's current severe financial situation, they are in no position for any purchase of new aircraft. There is nothing wrong with the service the A340's provide. If OA is again in the position to purchase more long-haul aircraft, most likely they will go for additional A340's.. They hold two more A340 options and may convert them to 500/600 versions when the time and money comes.

OA269- are you asking about ex-Air france? --> http://www.bird.ch

-Alitis

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