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Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:29 am

Hi,

I just thought about this. If a company flys their employees on, oh, let's say United. Their employees are going to fly business class. Shouldn't airlines make busness class better than first? This is because employees are under a lot of stress when they go on business travel and Business class should be better for them to help relieve stress, right? Also, if the employee likes the airline and it's service, then that company will most likely stick to that airline, right? What do you think?

Rgds,

B744
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:32 am

Just giving you an idea. Look at the word "First" and than think why its called "First Class"?

Because they provide the most excellent service or unique than other class.
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:33 am

That wasn't my point. My point is that airlines should provide the best service to company's employees, so that that company will give more busineess to that airline.
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:34 am


If they want to have a better service or more space the company could just have their employes travel First class.
Problem solved.

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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:35 am

You both have really good points. A lot of companies sit their people in first class anyway. I think that most of them do actually.
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:36 am

Ohhhhhhhh, good posts everyone!

Rgds,

B744
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:37 am

Delta777-XXX, you wanna chat for awhile?
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:39 am

B744... I am assuming you are being sarcastic.     You know... I had never really thought of Buisness class being for people who were traveling for work! hehe! Duh Hank! LOL! I know they always send my mom in first class. I don't think all airlines have 3 classes anyway. I have heard of some companies that get their people to pay for their own tickets... glad I don't work for them!  
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:40 am

sure... on my way!
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 11:29 am

Well if you think about it, business would be for those who want to travel in comfort without the hassels of coach, then first is for those who want the best, no matter what the cost is.

So, for international business flights, business would be perfect as it is not as much as first, but provides pretty much all the traveller would want. First class would be good for the very rich and VIPs (including those of companies).
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 1:16 pm

A company nowadays looks primarely at the schedules and PRICE of an airline!
Gone are the days where businesspeople all flew up front, now, you see them flying Easyjet, Southwest or in Eco. on the majours.
First is only used for Upgrades to FF's, VIP's and staff travel (on ID ticket's!) (long haul, first in the US is about the same as Club in Europe)
This is the current situation, and the airlines are not happy with it...
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 1:33 pm

My uncle flys from MSP-SEA alot for his comapany, they would fly him coach but they paid for a lifetime Worldclubs membership for him, and he gets alot of FF miles with NW so now he pretty much gets upgrades all the time cause of his Elite status.
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 7:29 pm

Yes, the days of business class, especially first, are slowly going away as companies cut costs. My company, very large, has a new policy prohibiting any travel other than coach unless traveling overseas. Maybe airlines should dump the business class and upgrade coach.
 
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More Business Travelers In Y Than In C

Sun Sep 10, 2000 7:45 pm

Hello,

What A330 says is right. With the cost cutting programs there are quite a few restrictions for the employees of companies.
Usually they aren't allowed to fly on Business class on short and medium-hauls (or 2h30 flight time). But on more and more companies, employees have to travel in coach.
In fact, surveys conducted about customers travelling for business on long-hauls showed that there are now more people of that category travelling in coach than in Business!

Of course, if employees relax during their journey, they'll be more efficient at their work place, take fewer days to cope with fatigue, ... But airlines have all increased their fares on Business class over the last decade to higher their revenue (which doesn't mean Business classes are now empty).

This move to the Economy class resulted in the creation of a fourth class on long-haul flights at British Airways (better service than Economy, but not the price of the Business), and Air France on European flights (called 'Challenge', with people sitting just behind Business class, and with priorities, better service, not as expensive as 'L'Espace Europe')

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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 7:55 pm

I think bussines and first should be distinctly different becuase I think they should sereve to different purposes.

Bussines class should be for those who want to get some work done "on the go" so to speak. So, bussiness class should be equiped in the following way:

Phones
Outlets for laptops so you can send e-mail etc
Wider seats and of course the better service one gets for paying more etc.

First Class should be purely for leisure So:

"Sleeper" seats (the ones that recline 180deg like on LH)
PTV's for entartainment with games etc.
Phones
And of course the best service, bigest selection of food drink etc..
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Sun Sep 10, 2000 11:25 pm

Business class is basically first but with a cheaper price and not as many amenities/service.
for amenities in business,they should be,
wide, 130-150 degree reclineable seat with leg and foot rest,
PTV
lap-top power ports
fax machines(in the galleys)
AT&T phones
better service
business travelers mainly do their work but they also get a lot rest and relaxation(they need it)
first is also for the business traveler but also the leisure/business traveler and I would not make anychanges either.
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Mon Sep 11, 2000 2:33 am

That's why Continental created a class with business-class fares and first class service and some OTHER airline copied them.
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Mon Sep 11, 2000 4:25 am

Are you talking about Business Elite?????? J/K You have to admit, it is a great marketing gig.
"FLY DELTA JETS"
 
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RE: Shouldn't Business Class Be Better Than First?

Mon Sep 11, 2000 6:44 am

With the exception of JFK-LAX/SFO (and just a few other flights, sometimes, but not always) Business Class is only available on International flights, and most companies do allow business class travel on International flights. I wouldn't make any changes to the way things are either.

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