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Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 5:13 am

ok, i really like the dc-10 dont get me wrong. but they are old, mechanics who work on the d10s in houston say they wouldnt fly the 10s as far as Brazil, they wouldnt feel comfortable flying it cause of the maintnance on them, the flights from iah-gru, which are one of the few international flights left from houston, on the 10s are delayed almost everytime the flight departs b/c of maintnance, or if not delayed, Cancelled. people who fly this route frequently, such as business travellers arrive @ the departure gate and flat out ask, how long is the delay? the 10 is great, but they are becoming too old. the DC-10s flying out there are always plagued w/ maintnance problems. i cant wait till CO puts the 767 on the IAH-GRU route in December.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 5:17 am

I'm sorry but... I don't like Continental... nothing against you people who do. I think that Continental probably treats the DC-10 like crap! Other DC-10s are in better shape than that.


   
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 5:57 am

What is the point of this thread?

"CO's 10s will be gone soon." So what? Everyone knows this.

CO's DC10 flights to Zurich, LGW(EWR morning flight), and Dusseldorf have an outstanding on-time record. Is that supposed to prove anything?


"I think that CO probably treats the DC10 like crap! Other DC10s are in better shape than that."

My, my what brilliant, articulate comments we have on this thread ladies and gentlemen.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 5:58 am

LOL!!! Klwright69... you are right!   sorry guys!  
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:10 am

I flew 2 CO DC-10-30's in the Hawaii configuration, they were the cleanest 10's (inside and out) that I have ever seen. My only gripe was the comfort level in coach was nothing to write home about.To Delta777-XXX, I guess your airline DL treats the L1011 like its the queen of the fleet, anyhow how do you "think" they treat the 10 like crap?
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:18 am

Adam84... I was just being difficult... sorry.

But... if you think about it... you find more people scared to fly DC-10s than L-1011s. Delta has done a great job with the L-1011 if you ask me. MOST people enjoy their Delta L-1011 flights. Continental just suks if you ask me. Just my opinion though. The CEO really pisses me off. He thinks he some kind of a big shot or something. The paint scheme is boreing too... but that doesn't have anything to do with it.  
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:20 am

Of course I'm "wRIGHT"! That's not my name by accident you know! LOL!!!
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:21 am

Delta777-XXX is still jilted by the recent Gordon Bethune comment about Delta.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:25 am

Well looking at what CO's CEO has done, you have to give him some latitude in the bragging department.
 
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DLX

Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:26 am

Yes, I know D L X. You gotta love it!
 
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RE: DLX

Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:35 am

CO's DC-10s, although old, are in much better condition then some of NW's old DC-10-40's. All of CO's DC-10's will be gone in another year, they are being replaced by 762's, 764's, and 777's.

Personally, I like CO's livery. It looks really nice, and especially nice on the 777 and 764. And don't even start about Gordon Bethune. He has done great things for that airline. CO was one of the crappiest airlines up until a few years ago. He's really turned them around.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:44 am

Cba, you don't say? Co has been turned around and used to be one of the crappiest airlines???? Boy I guess my head has been stuck in a cave! AND GUESS WHAT, YOU "PERSONALLY" LIKE CO'S LIVERY!!!!!! Because if you "professionally" liked CO's livery than.......oh the insanity that would cause!

Now about CO's route map.....if they bought Alaska, Airtran, and Reeve Aleutian, err add Pakistan Int'l to the mix, than we'd really see a world class carrier take shape!

 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:06 am

Continental is and will always be a crappy airline in my mind!

Although back to the DC-10. I used to hate it... but now it's not so bad. It is still not on my favorite's list... but it seems like a good airplane.

Gordon Bethune... hmm.... he is an @$$. The "recent comments" that he made did kinda make me mad,but he seems kinda... i dunno. I don't know him so... i shouldn't be judging him. But by what I have heard... he is not someone that I would like.
 
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TWAneedsNOhelp

Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:15 am

TWAneedsNOhelp, since you brought up route maps, isn't the new acronym for TWA "Teeny Weeny Airlines?" I 've heard it's almost official!
 
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Delta777-XXX

Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:32 am

Why do you hate CO so much? Because they have treated you badly, or just because they told Delta to get a life?
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:43 am

CO buy Reeve???

As a former Reever I might have been offended by that.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:48 am

Let me get this straight- You think Continental's scheme is boring? Then obviously you haven't seen the new DL colors yet. Or your father is Leo Mullin.
 
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Delta777-XXX

Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:58 am

OK this is ridiculous... you may not like Continental, but what exactly are you complaining about???? You haven't exactly given any valid points for hating Continental or Gordon Bethune.

Gordon Bethune has done a terrific job with Continental Airlines... He has every right to brag. I think you're just mad because he said "Delta needs to get a life." Rejection.

Anyways, I've personally met Gordon and he's a VERY friendly person... probably the most down to earth, nice guy, CEO of any airline. He's real, and you can actually tell exactly what he cares about.

Delta is a great carrier... I'm not bashing Delta here. I'm just having some trouble figuring out why you hate Continental and Gordon so much.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 9:28 am

im talkin about DC-10s maintnance, not delta vs cal
 
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RE: AWA 320

Mon Sep 18, 2000 9:39 am

Aloha!
AWA 320, you actaully met Gordon Bethune?! Wow, that's an accomplishment!! Congrats.

As far as CO's livery, I love it! I love the meat ball tail especially. I think though the livery could use a blue belly under the gold stripe below the windows. That'd spice it up a bit!  

I agree the Gordon does have some bragging to do, but I think he can do it without insulting another airline. Remember, bad remarks just breed more bad remarks. Delta lovers now hate his ass!!

Speaking of hate, why can't we quit fighting here, guys? Can't we have a clean discussion here? Nobody has to go kicking other people in the ass to make a point here, no fighting required!!

BTW, I like CO, but I am not offended by people's comments here!! I guess I don't have a very short fuse!!
 

One thing though, when I get out of college, I might have to opportunity to work for CO as an internship plan my college, Sierra Academy, offers, and I'd be proud to do it!!!

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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 10:16 am

You guys are right! I liked Continental untill Gordon Bethune opened his big mouth. I guess I am just immature. "short fuse" is exactly what I have. Anyways... I'll cool down eventually.  
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:18 am

Why can't you people act like civilized adults and stop bashing one another. We are all entitiled to our opinions, but can't we state them in a more professional, diplomatic way. I have flown CO, delta, NW, TWA, UAL, Hawaiian, and Aloha. I have had good services and bad services on all of them--which is mainly flight crew dependent. I flew HNL to LAX on Delta and back to HNL recently, with excellent service to LAX and lousy service back to HNL. The L-10ll broke down at Salt Lake City, and the flight was cancelled. Waited in LAX for the last flight home. Delta didn't even offer me the option of putting me on a different carrier. Flew NW on the same route as well. On the way back to HNL, the plane broke down, and I was offered the option of going on Hawaiian or wait for the next available NW flight to HNL. I have flown CO to EWR from HNL, EWR to FLL, FLL to Houston, back to HNL. The planes all left on time, including the DC10-30 to EWR and Houston to HNL. I also noted that the HNL to EWR service was much better than Houston to HNL, due to a grumpy flight attendant. I also had the same experience on Hawaiian and UAL. The only airline that I have flown on which provided consistently good service was SQ.

So guys, keep cool. Stop bad mouthing one another. You are entitled to your opinions, and if you state them diplomatically and tactfully, this website would be a much nicer place to visit.
 
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Lahaina

Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:31 am

How long was the IAH-HNL leg? When I flew it in June we left about 25 minutes late (not a mechanical delay), yet we got into HNL about 30 mins early. Anyhow on my flight there was a flight attendant that didnt seem to be to happy about her job, she wasnt rude or anything, she just looked and sounded very very unhappy.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:40 am

Some of the comments posted here, particularly those by Delta 777-XXX are totally incoherent and really not
very well thought out or factually correct.

Continental's DC10-30's (all 24 of them) are old and
do require more maintenance, but the airline spent a
lot of time upgrading interiors and comfort levels on
them. These are some of the cleanest DC10's you
will ever fly on. As for their realibility, they are some
of the best performers in the Continental system.
I recently flew a DC10-30 from Houston to Newark
and again from Houston to London/Gatwick. Both
flights were on time, trouble free as far as any
maintenance goes, and perfectly comfortable and
well maintained.

The DC10's will be aggressively replaced one for
one by the 767-400's, and 767-200's as well as
2 more 777's.

It's your priviledge not to like an airline as well
as to state it, but at least know what you are
talking about before you make bold statements!

The Houston-Sao Paolo flight has an 85% on
time record according to many internet travel
websites that measure these things. You can
also check with the airline (no one ever really
does) but they are required to tell you. That
is pretty good. After all, in a difficult summer
exacerbated by greedy pilots and an over-
stretched system, Continental achieved the
best on-time performance, even improving
it from the year before, over all US airlines,
including pesky little Southwest.

ContinentalEWR
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 12:01 pm

Everyone dont let Delta777-XXX get you down, he kinda stretches the truth a little bit, for example on his profile it says he is 26-35 years old, but on his webpage he says he just started high school.
 
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Adam84

Mon Sep 18, 2000 1:03 pm

The flying time from Houston-Honolulu was about 8 hours 30 minutes. Honolulu-Houston is about 7h 45 minutes (I was told that this is due to tail wind). The actual flying time varies slightly, depending on the time of the year.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:10 pm

767-300, just to show you how jaded you are by the mechanics, I've had more mechanical-related delays with the 777 than the DC-10 if you compare actual flights to actual flights.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:28 pm

Delta777-XXX,
Be careful what you say. You may beg CO to hire you one day. If you think that you're just going to cruise through flight school and then jump into Delta's waiting arms, you may have a surprise in store for yourself. And before you post things like, "I think that Continental probably treats the DC-10 like crap! Other DC-10s are in better shape than that" please think twice. If you don't post factual evidence to back your claims you will not be respected in these forums. I already had a heated discussion with Boeing 747-400 about this, and most were in agreement with me. When it comes to making unfounded claims, it's better to keep them in your head where they belong.
 
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RE: Ben 88

Mon Sep 18, 2000 9:52 pm



Ben:

Good reply, but it would probably go unheard. When you're dealing with the ignorant, facts and logic are lost within the delusional mind.

Our 10's are actually some of the last 30's off the assembly line. CO has spent milliions in refurbishments and I can say, first hand, our MX is second to none.

But of course we have experts in flight school who know otherwise.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Mon Sep 18, 2000 10:10 pm

My oh my,

It's interesting that American airlines still fly these dreadful (but sexy) three hole-ers? Does no-one remember the reason why MDC had to modify the DC-10's cargo door?

Granted at least the DC-10 proved itself as being survivable in a crash landing.

I think all the DC-9 and MD 80 aircraft ought to be grounded permanently. Those jack screws are not reliable.....

lol

mb
 
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Gordon At The Market

Tue Sep 19, 2000 2:52 am

I see Gordon B. at Kroger once or twice a month. Completely friendly. Yep, he does his own grocery shopping - pushing the cart and comparing prices.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Tue Sep 19, 2000 3:04 am

No major airline treats its aircraft like crap guys. be realistic. If airlines treated aircraft like crap they would be falling out of the sky left, right, and center.
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Tue Sep 19, 2000 6:04 am

Alright... I'm sorry guys.

Continental is okay.

My statements were not based on facts... at all. They just my opinion.

The only thing that I am mad about is Gordon's remarks about Delta needing to get a life. You know... that made me so mad... I really need to get a life if I let stuff like that get me down.

I want to apologize to anyone that I have offended.

Adam84 (YSFU)... yes I am in High School.  

Ben88... you are right also. Although I can't picture myself begging Continental to hire me right now... it is a possibility. My remarks that your brought up were rude, immature, thoughtless, and childish. I am sorry!

Sorry guys...



 
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Tue Sep 19, 2000 6:54 am

Aloha!
DL777-XXX, it takes a very brave man to do what you jut did, you have balls, man!  

Three cheers to DL777-XXX!!!!

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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Tue Sep 19, 2000 7:40 am

Continental is one of the best airlines in the world, But the DC-10 is one of the worst aircraft ever built. I cant wait to fly on one of Continental's 767-400's!!!!!

SKYTEAM
 
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DC10s Are Great

Tue Sep 19, 2000 4:02 pm

Folks,
You know not what you talk if you think the DC 10 is a bad plane. Highly reliable, versatile airplane with very simple mechanical systems. I was an engineer on a DC 10 for 1 year with never a problem. It holds only 2 less cargo cans than a 747 (due to the center accessory case being so large on a 74 due to all the gear). It is also quiet and fast. The only problem with the aircraft is that it's fuel burn is a lot higher than the newer aircraft.
What actual facts do you have to support your statements?????
 
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CAL737Pilot

Tue Sep 19, 2000 8:38 pm

1. The DC-10 was grounded at one point of time.

2. The DC-10 is a poor persons L-1011.

3. The DC-10 was poorly built!!!

SKYTEAM
 
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Skyteam

Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:58 am

You just proved CAL737Pilot's point. Let's take your three examples:


1. The DC-10 grounding was the FAA's caving in to the media hysteria and related political pressure following the AA ORD accident. Once cooler heads prevailed and the NTSB was allowed to do its job, the cause was found to be poor maintenance procedures. (using a forklift as an engine hoist) It's true that pylon cracks were found in other DC-10s and the problem was quickly corrected. Where was the media hysteria when pylon cracks were found in early model 747s? I don't recall any outcry to ground them.

2. Sure, the DC-10 was cheaper than the L-1011. Had Lockheed not been so bullheaded and given airlines a choice in engines, It probably would have been the other way around. The RB211 delays cost Lockheed a fortune, which of course was passed on to its customers.

3. No DC-10 has EVER been lost due to an airframe structural failure. It was as overbuilt as any previous Douglas product. As the first DC-jet developed under McDonnell management, some of the DC-10s systems were designed poorly due to cost constraints. Over the years the bugs have been worked out and the DC-10 has proven to be a very reliable a/c.

On the other hand, the L-1011 was the victim of being designed to the other extreme. Its systems are much more complex and expensive to maintain than the DC-10. Spares have always been expensive and are sometimes hard to find. Is it any wonder that 1/5th of the L-1011 fleet has already been reduced to beer cans? Also, if the DC-10 is so poorly built, why is it so many pax DC-10s have gone on to become freighters? The L-1011 conversion program hasn't exactly been a runaway success despite the fact that a used L-1011 can be had for much less than a similar DC-10.

The airlines only have a finite amount of money and the manufacturers only have so much floor space. Just be patient. In the meantime, enjoy your flight on a DC-10 while you still can.








 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Wed Sep 20, 2000 6:23 am

Let's not turn this into a DC-10 vs L-1011 thing. 767-300ER said that he had nothing against the DC-10 and neither do I. Let's just drop it.

 
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Wed Sep 20, 2000 7:26 am

My best DC-10 experiences were on CO and American. The first CO experience was in 1986 LAX-ORD with a stop at Denver's Stapleton airport. I like the old CO airlines better than the new CO airlines. There DC-10s had a lounge in it!   I also liked the natural earth-tone colors much better than the boring all-white body with blue globe on the tail. The new colors look too much like a .com advertisment.
The new CO just has more seats. Despite all the criticiscm the DC-10 gets, my experience on these were great and I would take a DC-10 over a 767 or 777 any day!  
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Wed Sep 20, 2000 7:49 am

I hate DC10s too! I dated one of them once and she dumped me for a 744. I was heartbroken and very very depressed for a long time. I should've known she liked bigger planes better and I was just a 777 fresh out of production with early GE90s. They would always quit on me in the middle of it and I was only ETOPS certified to 7 minutes. On top of that, the old hag was THIRSTY and I just couldn't afford her high burn rate anymore! Plus the fact she was always complaining about how poorly I treated her. I mean, what could I do? Now I'm dating a new 777 named Betsy. She has giant RR thrusters that really turn me on. We have 214 minute ETOPS between us and plan on rasing a new family of baby Boeings soon. Well, I hope you guys liked my message.

God save our gene pool.
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Wed Sep 20, 2000 9:36 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......


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RE: Get RID Of Those D10S CO

Wed Sep 20, 2000 10:07 am

Since CO is an ETOPS-certified airline (otherwise they couldn't fly the 772ER and soon the 764ER on long overwater routes), I think that CO has over 20 764ER's on order indicates they will fairly rapidly replace their D10 fleet.

I don't expect any D10's in CO service by 2003 at latest. Especially given you can fly IAH-HNL non-stop on a 764ER.