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British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 8:33 am

Is this true? Personnally I think its just a bunch of crap! British Airways flight to Denver is ALWAYS full. This flight is very profitable with British Airways, and they love it. When I went on that flight, the flight was full completely that I got a middle seat!

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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flyf15
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 8:39 am

Who told you this?
 
dia77
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:30 am

Where did you get this from? This flight is always full.
 
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:45 am

Some person from the chat. I hope its not true. I will be SO MAD if BA stops this route! I dought they would, right???????????  
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 11:17 am

One mistake that a lot of people make is assuming that full flights translate into high profitability. That's not necessarily so. It really boils down to pricing and what everyone pays for that flight (as well as profitability from expensive/inexpensive cargo). Sometimes half-loads could earn much more money than full loads. It depends.

If you got a 777 filled with people paying an introductory fare of $180-OW to LHR, that might actually cause the company to lose money. A 40% load factor with people paying, say, $400 would be more profitable, especially if that plane is also carrying expensive cargo.

Full flights do not always mean successful routes.
 
jasewgtn
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 11:42 am

Maybe someone just assumes that because on the 29th October, the 777 is now flying instead of a 744 that the service is being withdrawn?

Just a guess......  

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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Thu Sep 21, 2000 8:04 pm

This happened with SAS's daily Copenhagen (CPH) - Los Angeles (LAX) flights, which was discontinued in early 90's. High load factors but wrong mix. Too many tourists! Again; High load factors does'nt mean high profitability!
 
Guest

RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Fri Sep 22, 2000 1:54 am

Let's see...
A full 777..(say 300 seats) at $180/pax is around $54,000.
A 40% full 777 (say 120 seats) at $400/pax is around $48,000.

How is that more profitable????
 
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Fri Sep 22, 2000 5:59 am

According to British Airways, this flight is one of the most profitable flights in North America!
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Fri Sep 22, 2000 6:01 am

According to British Airways, this flight is one of the most profitable flights in North America! Besides, I found out that British Airways is staying and as no plans of stopping service to Denver.  
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Sat Sep 23, 2000 11:11 am

As said,
It IS one of the most profitable routes to USA,largely due to lack of competition at the moment (only nonstop flight between Denver and UK).Equipment can vary from month to month,either 744 or 777 depending on season and indeed days of week,Fri,Sat,Sun,Mon,being busiest(I personally have flown out on a Wed.777 and back on a Fri 744).The BA duty manager has told me there have been times when he could have filled a 744 twice over and still turned people away,such has been demand on certain days at certain times of year.However such peaks and troughs are difficult to predict and aircraft switches are not always easy when schedules have been planned months in advance.Denver is still a newish route (2yrs) ,and BA are still monitering the profile as to gain maximum profitability.Take it from the horse's mouth,though,the Denver-London route is there to stay.
Cheers,Denver.
 
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RE: Mr K

Sat Sep 23, 2000 12:06 pm

Mr K

Do you know if BA has plans to increase capacity on the DEN-LGW route with a second flight? Thanks.
 
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Sat Sep 23, 2000 2:23 pm

Greggj:

"How is that more profitable?":

...Well, given that I also mentioned CARGO, and given that I (obviously) excluded first class pax loads, ....well, let's just say I think you and everyone else got the point.

However, I must say, I think you did succeed in impressing all of us with your sharp arithmetic skills. I know I'm practically tingly all over.

I think you even deserve a cookie.  



 
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RE: British Airways Stoping Service To Denver?

Sat Sep 23, 2000 10:09 pm

DIA77,
Have seen this winter's schedule,and DEN is still planned as one daily flight with a mix of 777 & 744,certainly until end of March.Who knows beyond that though?
Regards Mr K.
 
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BA

Sun Sep 24, 2000 12:36 am

Why the hell did you post this subject anyway? That would be just like me posting "AA Leaves Argentina!" with no information or rumors or anything! What a waste of time!