AerLingus
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NWA's Choice

Sun Sep 24, 2000 6:46 am

Sorry if the topic mislead you.
Does the A330 handle similarly to the DC-10? (Omitting the glaring difference of the sidestick.)
If the other choice for Northwest really is the 757 I would assume that they would want an easy transition for the pilots.
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RE: NWA's Choice

Sun Sep 24, 2000 7:02 am

An easy transition for the pilots will be way down NWA's shopping list.

Price, fit to route requirements, fit to the rest of the fleet and engine choice will be the top items.

The flight crews for the new type will not all be DC10 crew. Some DC10 guys will retire, others, not wanting to gain another type certificate, will move to another DC10 operator. Others will move to a different type within NWA.

If NWA operate as the average airline, only 40%-55% of the initial crews on the new type will be DC10 crew.

All flight crew have to learn a new type from the ground up (literally) with much book learning before even sim time.

To gain a type rating the pilots will all have to pass arange of checks and tests and what they know of the DC10, or any other type in the current fleet (757 excepted) will have little bearing on their move within the airline either to the new type or onto another already in the fleet.

There is an argument that says the hierachy structure could militate against the B757 as current 757 crew will bid for senior positions on the roster, many right hand seaters will expect promotion to left hand seats on the original fleet and the DC10 crews could then be scratching for seniority
 
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RE: NWA's Choice

Sun Sep 24, 2000 7:08 am

I know it has been said before, but they ought to just by Delta's MD11s so delta can move on with buying the queen of the skies, the 777. Then northwest doesn't have to worry about new types, and I'll bet they could get a screaming deal, vs buying new A330s or 777s. It sounds like NWA doesn't have the money to be throwing it around on brand new planes. What ever happend to buying used? OK my ramblings make no sense so I will stop blubbering now.
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RE: NWA's Choice

Sun Sep 24, 2000 8:30 am

Record high, industry leading load factors = they have cash to buy all the new airplanes they want
 
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RE: NWA's Choice

Sun Sep 24, 2000 8:38 am

You still need be MD11 type rated. The aircraft is a lot different to the DC10 both in its cockpit and its handling.

The 40% smaller tailplane alone causes major upset when DC10 drivers convert.

In terms of ground handling and servicing, once again the aircraft is a totally different animal.

Basically the MD11 is an abortion. It looks wrong, handles badly and most airlines worth their salt have made arrangements for their fleets to fly parcels and freight as soon as possible.

NWA would do themselves a great dis-service were they mad enough to take up the Delta aircraft.

God help the FedEx and other cargo drivers who have to fly it.
 
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NWA

Sun Sep 24, 2000 8:42 am

OK, this is my perspective to this. I think the 757-300 is a contender just as what Flight international stated on this weeks issue. However I believe that the 7573 is just too small of an aircraft to replace the DC10's just like what some of you have said. The A330-500( a shrink of the 200 series) would be a very good choice, if Im not mistaken they did order some A330-300 before but im not sure if they are still valid and have changed them to A32x series. But, ofcourse money is going to be a very huge factor for the purchase of these aircrafts. They might be able to lease them. The MD-11, like some of you have stated and the 777, 767-300/400 are totally out of the running. The MD11 was once offered to NW by KLM however the deal did'nt push through. Besides every body wants to get rid of there MD11, even KLM. So this is what I think is going to go down, NW will either purchase or LEASE A330-500, or retain the DC10 till they decide again when its really time to get rid of them. The boeing types are out of question, I dont see them as buying those aircraft, BUT I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN, we never know and we can only speculate.

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RE: NWA's Choice

Sun Sep 24, 2000 9:03 am

I agree with KL808.
Nothing against Boeing, mind you; I just can't imagine Northwest buying the 777. I don't know why.......
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