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Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 12:18 am

Has anybody flown onboard a Gulfstream Int. Airlines plane, They should be flying for Continental Express?
Maybe, I will be flying the Beech1900 for them for about 6 months...
(It should be great training, flying in a tropical climate (bahama's) together with dense traffic (Miami)!
Which exact destinations do they have?
Atmosphere??
Shiek!
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 12:59 am

Mainly point-to-point in Florida, and San Juan-St. Croix, St. Thomas, Tortola, and a couple others.
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 1:19 am

I had a friend who jumpseated on them a few months ago from SJU-STT. He said that the interior was nasty, filthy floors, carpets, gum on the seats, trash in the seat pocket etc....They also got a few Dash 7's that they inherited from Paradise Island Airways. Does anyone know if they still have Shorts 360's (the Irsh Concorde)?
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 6:37 am

The Shorts are long gone.
My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 7:32 am

GIA is a great little airline. I have been flying on "Gulf flight" for quite some time. I first flew with them back in 95' on their C99 from MIA to FPO. The C99s, 402s, and 360s are long gone. GIA currently has a fleet of 32 1900Cs
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2 DASH-7s, the other two were recently sold off with the Paradise Island cert. to the new Potomac air in D.C. GIA will use these remaining 7s on charters and on some scheduled routes (MIA/FLL to NAS, their busiest)
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Gulfstream also purchased 2 DASH-6 Twin otters to help out in their San Juan market for those really short strips.
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Just as of last month GIA recieved its first 1900D in Continental Exp. colours, they hope to recieve many more and convert their whole fleet to 1900Ds, which is more appealing to pax.
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 10:30 am

I have flown them once on a night flight from TPA to RSW back this April. The flight was 25 minutes late departing, but other then the setback, things were ok. Most of the 15 pax on board were non rev's, mostly wearing airline uniforms. Most I noticed were COA pilots, but one had an all silver uniform. Anyone know what airline? I didnt see a logo anywhere.
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 02, 2000 12:15 pm

Gulfstream is a decent operation 20% owned by Continental. The DHC 7s are used FLL-FPO and FLL-NAS. They codeshare with CO, TW, UA and Copa airlines. The Florida operation is mostly O/D traffic and CO codeshares followed by a smattering of UA,TW connecting codeshare traffic. NW is awaiting approval to codeshare in Florida with them. In SJU they primarily codeshare with TWA. There is a smattering of CO/UA connecting traffic and CO O/D traffic but, TWA is the largest of partners in SJU.

The 1900Cs are nice and as a previous poster noted they are being upgraded with former CO Express 1900Ds from the CLE and EWR hubs as they are replaced with RJs (EMB 135-145s)

Enjoy working for Gulfstream. Are you doing the paid for right seat time and training with type rating?
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 8:49 am

I was reading an old Flying magazine and noticed an advertisement for Gulfstream Intl training, which offered B1900 training, and 250 hours in a Boeing 727! Did Gulfstream at one time use the 727 or just train in it. Do they still use the 727?
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 1:01 pm

My wife and I flew GIA on a CO Connection flight from FLL-FPO (Freeport, Bahamas) this past March on a Dash-7. The interior was definately tired-looking, and the air conditioning wasn't working too well, but it got us there and back in one piece.

Sorry to see the Dash-7s go, it was definately an experience I'll never forget!
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 9:06 am

The Dash 7s all all formerly from Ransome airlines, The former Pan Am Express then TW Express and finally shut down in the mid 1990s. Paradise Island Airlines got them from there and then to Gulfstream.

The former Ransome planes are registration numbers like... N -XX- RA (ie N73RA) I miss them as I spent literally thousands of hours on those DHC-7s when they flew the skies to/from JFK and LGA. (ie JFK-DCA JFK-IAD JFK-BUF JFK-ROC JFK-BOS JFK-PHL JFK-ALB JFK-PVD) Ahh the glory days!
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 9:36 am

If you are asking about this company to build your time, please don't be suckered into advertising. Do your research. I may bear the wrath of many, but...

ACVITALE/A-340: I'm not sure if you were asking a question or not, but I'll try and answer it. Based on some of our FOs who woked there, there are better means to reach the right seat than pay for the time at Gulfstream. I have heard it referred to, on more than one occasion, as "Gulf-Ream".

I'm sure that the operation is profitable. Especially since it's quite a wind fall for these operators to have SICs pay for the "privelege" of riding in the right seat of a 1900 and building up hours at tremendous expense. When you finish the tour, they may not even hire you, and SIC time and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee.

There's cheaper and better ways of building your time!

Ask about this company first.

http://www.flightinfo.com go to interview board and post a message. The only other airline that will generate more negative responses is Lakes.

There is also a CFI board out there, too, somewhere. This pay for the turbine time trend is suckering people for a lot of dough. Be careful! I don't sit in on interview boards, but I'm getting the feeling that paying for time is almost a strike against you come interview time. Think it through.
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 9:56 am

Gulfstream has always been a great Airline. I like their Fleet.
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 10:24 am

I couldn't agree you more DC9CAPT...

Any of you all considering paying for your time, I have one simple piece of advice... DON'T!!!!! It is a cheap way to buy your way into the airline industry. Your fellow pilots will probably end up looking down on you or even being overtly hostile toward you... I've seen it happen many times. Advancement in the airlines may depend on seniority, but respect is based upon flying experience.

I have been an airline pilot for only three years, but I thank God every day that I spent several years before that first airline job flight instructing and doing odd jobs... I got allot of great flying experience that has made me a better and safer airline pilot. The guys I have seen that are low time and come from places like Gulfstream just aren't on par with the guys who didn't pay for their time.

In my view there is only one thing worse than paying for a job, and thats being a scab. Don't take a job away from a more experienced and harder working fella (or lady) who's wallet isn't as fat as yours. Get some experience, then apply to a reputable carrier. That way you will know as you walk into that first interview that not only do you have the neccessary skills, but you truly deserve the job as well.

I'll stop preaching now!
 
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 6:51 pm

Notice that alot of the Gulfstream Beechcraft 1900Cs are former Great Lakes airplanes   N###GL, GA, UE, UX are the standard tail #s used by Great Lakes C models... I'm still hoping to track down N123UE.. spent a lot of time in that bird nonreving from SPI - CGX and DEC - ORD.... dunno why i kept getting on that bird... also spent too much time in N293UE-- Embraer Brasilia 120ER  

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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 10:37 pm

It's amazing to me that in this market, pilots will still pay that kind of cash for a job. But maybe it's not that surprising. As long as there is demand, there will be supply and SOME pilots will always be willing to take the easy way out. I'd like to think at some point down the road, it will bite them in the a$$. Unfortunately, it may affect more than just the individual airman. I guess I'm the bigger fool for gaining my experience in more traditional ways by flight instructing and hauling freight. I feel I'm the better for it and, as a corporate jet captain, feel much more confident and better prepared to deal with anything I may get thrown in my face.
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RE: Anybody Know Gulfstream Int. Airlines?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 11:20 pm

DC9CAPT and ATRPILOT, I agree my comment was not a question simply pointing out Pay for pilot training.

I paid my own way busting rear through school and picking up odd jobs along the way.. I flew with Ransome and later PA. After they folded I ended up switching careers.. Bad time in the US for pilots... Eastern, Midway, Pan Am, and literally dozens of others folded. The majors were all laying off. Basically about 26,000 pilots unemployed. I had a wife to support and unfortunately dictated my exit from the cockpit. Now I am in senior management with a regional airline and previously worked for a major aircraft leasing company. I won't hire pay for training pilots unless they are the exception to the rule. It seems they just don't get it and frankly they bought their way into a fraternity. I would rather hire a guy who fought his way up to the top.
Enuff said.
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