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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:24 pm

Hi all. I started a new Swiss Aviation Thread. The recent one seems to be disappeared. I even did not find it with the "search" tool. I only found # 25 which DALCE began in Oct 2010, but this is not the newest? Can anyone help? If I made a mistake, this thread can be deleted. Which number should this one have?
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:27 pm

I had the same problem. I cannot comment on the Swiss Aviation Forum #26.

Anyway, in keeping things Swiss here, Edelweiss's new ZRH-MCO service starts today!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EDW2
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:06 am

I love the way Edelweiss is doing their job nowadays.
They give us some nice new markets to explore cargo-wise too  
Also their livery makes a very nice appearance wherever they 'pop up'
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:58 am

SkyWork is launching flights from Bern to Belgrade in November. The city is part of their major expansion plan. They will operate the route twice per week unsing their Dash-8. Retrun ticket is €118!

Actually the Serbian ministry of health has a deal with a hospital in Geneva to send patients who need heart surgeries there. Until now they were using Zurich but I kindly proposed them this line and they loved it. Not to mention that it's much cheaper and closer to Geneva!
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:42 pm

Travelinside confirms that Oman Air starts MCT-ZRH 4/7 from Oct, 30 (a/c A332).
http://www.travelinside.ch/travelinside/de/index.php?we_objectID=19461 (in German).

Great news for ZRH!

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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:50 pm

Quoting ka (Reply 4):

A likelihood LX might end it's tag on flights from DXB to MCT in the near future?
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:47 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):

A likelihood LX might end it's tag on flights from DXB to MCT in the near future?

I hope not, LX presence in the Middle East has been reduced already after JED & RUH were cut.
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:21 pm

Here's a Link to the

Swiss Aviation Thread #26
found on google.

It's archived and therefore no more replies can be made. I post it here for tracking reasons. (Suggestion @ Mods: Reopen the thread and merge it with this one? Otherwise: Rename this thread to "Swiss Aviation Thread #27")

[Edited 2011-07-05 11:22:48]
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:17 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 7):
Here's a Link to the

Swiss Aviation Thread #26
found on google.

It's archived and therefore no more replies can be made. I post it here for tracking reasons. (Suggestion @ Mods: Reopen the thread and merge it with this one? Otherwise: Rename this thread to "Swiss Aviation Thread #27")

Thank you. I wonder why it is found on Google but not on Airliners.net.
I also ask the moderators to change this one to Swiss Aviation Thread 27.
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:38 pm

For a short time only, LX has reactived HB-IQC. But HB-IQH and HB-IQQ were no more in operation and destinated for Air Berlin as D-ABXA and D-ABXB.

So HB-IQA (the oldest ex. SR A330s) is the only A330-200 left in operation with LX.
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:13 pm

Vueling will start twice daily flights from ZRH to ORY on October 30, however it has ceased its plans to serve the ZRH-AMS route. I'm really wondering if they're serious about new flights to ZRH. Prices start at EUR 100 return ticket.

VY1904 ORY0710 – 0815ZRH 320 D
VY1906 ORY1710 – 1815ZRH 320 D

VY1905 ZRH0855 – 1005ORY 320 D
VY1907 ZRH1855 – 2005ORY 320 D
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:15 pm

Are there any links to the progress on the new Pier at ZRH ? Curious to see how far on they have got .
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:26 pm

Quoting oa260 (Reply 11):


Are there any links to the progress on the new Pier at ZRH ? Curious to see how far on they have got .

The latest pictures can be found on the Zurich Airport Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...823346314302.46791.119578974772073

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...407380789232.42005.119578974772073
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:32 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 12):
The latest pictures can be found on the Zurich Airport Facebook page:

Many thanks looking good. Cant wait to use it when it opens. Must add it to my favs on FB.
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:58 am

I noted the following incident dated July 4 in the Transport Canada daily incident summary, involving what I thought was an Edelweiss-operated seasonal service ZRH-YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon)-ANC-ZRH. Can anyone explain why they refer to Swiss as the operating carrier rather than Edelweiss? I'm wondering whether an LX A332 may have in fact been substituted for the usual Edelweiss aircraft? Otherwise, at least for operational purposes, I would have expected to see an Edelweiss flight number. Perhaps someone can tell what aircraft actually operated the flight. In either case, the crew had probably never been to YXY before.

Whitehorse Tower reported that SWR8944, an Airbus 330-200, operated by Swiss International Air Lines, bound for Anchorage, was taxiing for departure off runway 13R. The aircraft was instructed to taxi via runway 01 and to contact the tower. The aircraft failed to contact the tower and crossed the hold line for runway 13R. Both tower and ground attempted to contact the aircraft, but neither received a response until the aircraft had taxied fully across runway 13R to an area with no turnaround space. Runway 13R was closed at 1943z due to the location of SWR8944. The aircraft was pushed back and was ready for taxi again at 2006z. SWR8944 departed runway 13R at 2011z.
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:13 am

Surprised that this has not yet been mentioned here. SriLankan is resuming ZRH eff 23DEC. Twice weekly 343, but will almost certainly be increased soon.
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:45 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 15):
Surprised that this has not yet been mentioned here. SriLankan is resuming ZRH eff 23DEC. Twice weekly 343, but will almost certainly be increased soon.

It was mentioned in the previous thread. I'm not sure if we will see increases as also Edelweiss serves Colombo and Male with two flights per week. But it's certainly good to get some more diversity to ZRH, first Hainan and now also Oman Air and Sri Lankan.
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:35 am

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 16):
But it's certainly good to get some more diversity to ZRH, first Hainan and now also Oman Air and Sri Lankan.

Oh yes. I am now waiting for a South American airline. TAM?
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:41 am

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 17):
I am now waiting for a South American airline. TAM?

Not gonna happen imo. First up would be flights to MUC considering the bigger connection network available there. Consider also that the route to TAMs hub GRU is already well served through LX.

The airlines really missing at ZRH are Middle Eastern and Maghreb carriers such as RAM, Air Algerie, MEA or EgyptAir. Now these would be some welcome additions.

There was also the rumour about CX returning to ZRH at one time.
 
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New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:29 am

What I heard is that CX might come back onces the A350 is delivred.
MS is already codesharing with LX on the daily Cairo flight and RAM is already serving ZRH from CMN twice or three times a week.
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:09 pm

In the LH "Geschäftsbericht" they say that SWISS has 13 A 340 and 16 A 330. I think the A 330 numbers are correct with five new 333 next year (incl 1 EDW). But I always thought that LX flies 15 A 343. Or will two be phased out?

You find it here (on page 74):

http://investor-relations.lufthansa....eschaeftsberichte/LH-GB-2010-d.pdf

[Edited 2011-07-11 10:13:57]
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:35 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 20):
But I always thought that LX flies 15 A 343. Or will two be phased out?

There are 2 A340 in the column of OS with the footnote that these a/c are with LX. So the number of 15 is correct.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 21):
There are 2 A340 in the column of OS with the footnote that these a/c are with LX. So the number of 15 is correct.

Thanks. It seems that I didn't read the footnotes.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:26 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 18):
The airlines really missing at ZRH are Middle Eastern and Maghreb carriers such as RAM, Air Algerie, MEA or EgyptAir. Now these would be some welcome additions.

Agreed.

CX, as already pointed out, is missing.

MH, 9W, ME, GF, EY, BR or CI would be nice additions

Perhaps MX, AR or LA...
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:19 pm

Air France starts daily flights Basel to Marseille as per October 2nd. Flights will operate with A-319 aircraft and fares start at 51 Euros oneway.

AF7694 MRS 0950 – 1105 MLH 319 D
AF7695 MLH 1135 – 1250 MRS 319 D
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:10 pm

EZY is also rumoured to pull out of BSL, owing to French Labour Law...
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:39 am

Well, not only easyJet. If France forces the Swiss companies in the Swiss sector to make French working contracts with their employees, more than 6000 jobs are in danger.

All the aircraft maintenance companies (Jet Aviation, AMAC etc.) would move away. Air Berlin, Swiss, Farnair and Hello have aircraft based in Basel...so their employess would only work 35 hours a week.

Don't forget the Swiss headquarter and Lufthansa Technik. They are in the Swiss sector but on French soil.

Basically it would mean the end of the airport.
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:18 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 26):
Basically it would mean the end of the airport.

This would be absolutely a catastrophe and silly. Therefore I think they must find a solution. Let's hope so. It simply cant't be.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:23 am

The Tax regime of the Swiss sector is also being challenged in French courts (sorry, lost the link)
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:15 am

In the newest German aviation magazine "Aero" (August 2011) are IATA numbers about the 50 biggest airlines regarding passengers. Overall DL is the biggest after the merger with NW. SWISS is 42. But what I find interesting and amazing is, that regarding only international passengers SWISS is already number 14, bigger than for example IB, AZ, QF or CO.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:22 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
In the newest German aviation magazine "Aero" (August 2011) are IATA numbers about the 50 biggest airlines regarding passengers. Overall DL is the biggest after the merger with NW. SWISS is 42. But what I find interesting and amazing is, that regarding only international passengers SWISS is already number 14, bigger than for example IB, AZ, QF or CO.

Not surprising because Switzerland is a small country with no domestic passengers compared to the USA.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 28):
The Tax regime of the Swiss sector is also being challenged in French courts (sorry, lost the link)

Very good. Switzerland always takes other people's money. First the jewish people, then the dishonest tax payers from everywhere in the world. If it was transparent country, then many dictators in the world would not find a heaven for their money and lives would be saved.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting paris380 (Reply 30):
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 28):
The Tax regime of the Swiss sector is also being challenged in French courts (sorry, lost the link)

Very good. Switzerland always takes other people's money. First the jewish people, then the dishonest tax payers from everywhere in the world. If it was transparent country, then many dictators in the world would not find a heaven for their money and lives would be saved.

That's changed over the past few years. Banking secrecy in Switzerland has basically disappeared. And bank accounts of dictators and others charged with crimes are now quickly frozen.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:23 am

Quoting paris380 (Reply 30):
Not surprising because Switzerland is a small country with no domestic passengers compared to the USA.

Yes this is clear. But is still amazing that SWISS is bigger in absolute numbers not only in comparison to size of the country regarding international passengers.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:47 am

Quoting paris380 (Reply 30):
Very good. Switzerland always takes other people's money. First the jewish people, then the dishonest tax payers from everywhere in the world. If it was transparent country, then many dictators in the world would not find a heaven for their money and lives would be saved.

Wow, somebody doesn't like Switzerland.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:24 am

Quoting paris380 (Reply 30):

Thank god, France is such a noble country, no black spots in its history, right? LOL.....
.....up there with the best!
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:00 am

Quoting paris380 (Reply 30):
Very good. Switzerland always takes other people's money. First the jewish people, then the dishonest tax payers from everywhere in the world. If it was transparent country, then many dictators in the world would not find a heaven for their money and lives would be saved.



Since we all know that France, USA, UK and co. are all such honest partners when it comes to transparency and the tax evasion question, I'm not even going to touch this topic. Anyhow, thanks for the laugh!  
Quoting ZRH (Reply 29):
But what I find interesting and amazing is, that regarding only international passengers SWISS is already number 14, bigger than for example IB, AZ, QF or CO.

Agreed, quite an impressive achievement!
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:53 am

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 29):
that regarding only international passengers SWISS is already number 14, bigger than for example IB, AZ, QF or CO.

Lovely.

That should enhance the case for further expansion at ZRH.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:55 pm

Quoting paris380 (Reply 30):
Very good. Switzerland always takes other people's money. First the jewish people, then the dishonest tax payers from everywhere in the world. If it was transparent country, then many dictators in the world would not find a heaven for their money and lives would be saved.

That's pretty much one of the most stupid comments that I have read here. Congrats for that!   But back to the facts: There are around 6300 jobs located at EuroAirport at the moment, 60% of the employees are French or live in France (and pay their taxes there)!

So if anyone needs to be happy with that it's France, especially the Alsace region with unemployed rates of nearly 10% while unemployment in the Basel region is around 3%.

Let's not forget that the airpot is binational, it's on French territory but it doesn't mean Swiss companies need to accept French law. The Swiss companies aren't even registered in France, they are registered in Basel and therefore Swiss law is applicable.
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:12 pm

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 37):

Let's not forget that the airpot is binational, it's on French territory but it doesn't mean Swiss companies need to accept French law. The Swiss companies aren't even registered in France, they are registered in Basel and therefore Swiss law is applicable.

Isn't GVA also on french teritory, or at least part of the airport?
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:16 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 38):
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 37):

Let's not forget that the airpot is binational, it's on French territory but it doesn't mean Swiss companies need to accept French law. The Swiss companies aren't even registered in France, they are registered in Basel and therefore Swiss law is applicable.

Isn't GVA also on french teritory, or at least part of the airport?

.
GVA airport is totally in Switzerland but the French border runs down one side of the runway for about 1/3 of it's length. When the runway was lengthened a few decades ago, the lengthened end would have crossed the border so the French and Swiss governments agreed on a land swap for some uninhabited Swiss territory somewhere else.

However GVA operates much like BSL. You have your choice of arriving in either Switzerland or France and there's a fenced "customs road" that connects the 2 or 3 km from the French part of the terminal building to the neighbouring town of Ferney-Voltaire. It's the equivalent of the fenced road that runs through French territory between BSL and the Swiss part of that airport.

The Swiss-French border at GVA is the gray line on the map below.
http://www.google.com/maps?q=geneva+...7068&sspn=31.371289,68.994141&z=14
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:38 pm

Are there any news on the Swiss long-distance distance routes planned for 2012 ? I remember PEK, SIN and CPT were under consideration. Any insight would be welcome !
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:07 pm

[quote=nyswiss,reply=40]Are there any news on the Swiss long-distance distance routes planned for 2012 ? I remember PEK, SIN and CPT were under consideration. Any insight would be welcome ![/quote

Nothing yet mentioned, we will mostlikely also see EWR to be operated by A333's and not anymore as a one class Business Class flight
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:52 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 41):
we will mostlikely also see EWR to be operated by A333's and not anymore as a one class Business Class flight

That would be quite some additional capacity to dump into the NYC market (from 56 seats on the Privatair 737 to 236 seats on the A333) though the new LX J seats would be a much welcome improvement over the angled-flat seats on the BBJ.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:24 am

Swiss has announced the following new flights :

ZRH-PEK daily
ZRH-EWR a/c change to 330 eqpmt
GVA-NCE 2x daily 319

increased frequencies :

GVA-MAD 3x daily
GVA-DME 2x daily
GVA-LCY 5x daily

[Edited 2011-07-28 01:31:05]
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:43 am

BUD being axed to look at growth in new markets.

New recruitment drive .

10th Aircraft to be based at GVA .
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:15 am

 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:49 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 43):
ZRH-PEK daily

To be operated with an A330 starting in February 2012. That's an awfully long flight for a two-men flightcrew.

In other much less significant news, I will have my A330 transition course in January.   
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:10 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 46):
In other much less significant news, I will have my A330 transition course in January.

Already. Congrats. How long are you now flying on line, two years? Will you then fly only 330 or also 340?
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:13 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 47):
Already. Congrats. How long are you now flying on line, two years? Will you then fly only 330 or also 340?

Thanks, by the time I'll be moving onto the A330 it will be just over 2.5 years experience on the line. I'll first be doing the A330 CCQ, and about half a year later the A340 CCQ to finally fly A330/A340 mixed.
 
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RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27

Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:14 am

Then numbers for the first half of 2011 are very good:
129 mi operating profit, more than double of the first half of 2010. Plus 11% pax.
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ess_release_Business_Report_Q2.pdf

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