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B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:38 pm

Continuing the discussion from the following thread:

Boeing 787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery (by Stitch Apr 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:17 pm

Duration calculation results using http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html

From and including: Sunday, 8 July 2007 -> to and including: Saturday, 13 August 2011

It is 1498 days from the start date to the end date, end date included, or 4 years, 1 month, 6 days!!!


On Monday 15th August 2011 - it will have been 1,500 days since roll-out.

According to Boeing original Press Release on the Roll-out, http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070708b_nr.html

"A total of six airplanes will be included in the flight test program, which will conclude in May 2008 with the certification of the airplane followed shortly by the first delivery of a 787 to ANA.
To date, 47 customers worldwide have ordered 677 airplanes worth more than $110 billion at current list prices, making the Dreamliner the most successful commercial airplane launch in history. The first 787 is scheduled to enter passenger service in May 2008."

A lot has changed in that 4 years and a lot has not - c'mon Boeing, the finishing line is finally here...
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:40 pm

787 finally makes a visit to KSLC. ZA102 made a KPAE-KSLC-KBIL-KPAE flight today. Good to see it at SLC even if it was only here for 45 minutes.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:04 am

Flightblogger reports the following:

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Boeing appears to have completed certification flight testing of the first delivery variant of its 787 Dreamliner, 606 days after the type first began flying.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-certification-flight-testing.html

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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:30 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 3):

That sounds like really good news!

I am really excited to see the first B787-flight in commercial service to germany.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:59 pm

This may only be of interest to the super-nerds  : having viewed Matt Cawby's (Paine Field Blog) video of RC555's (Cathay Pacific Cargo 747-8F) maiden flight [see: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/08/cat...cargo-747-8f-first.html#comments], it looks like ZA101 (l/n 8 - JA801A), the first 787 scheduled for delivery to ANA, was moved yesterday from the "fuel dock" to the western edge of the Boeing Ramp - another sign of progress towards her first flight.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:56 pm

I am very excited, and cannot wait. There are great videos on Twitter, which can be found elsewhere about her unavailing last week. It looks great and she will change flying for ever. The windows are very cool. Congrats to Boeing and ANA, and we are almost finished. Just one last push to the finish line.

Thank you for all answers/comments,

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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:49 pm

Quote SlcGuy (Reply 2)
787 finally makes a visit to KSLC. ZA102 made a KPAE-KSLC-KBIL-KPAE flight today. Good to see it at SLC even if it was only here for 45 minutes.

Quoting oykie (Reply 3):
Quote:
Boeing appears to have completed certification flight testing of the first delivery variant of its 787 Dreamliner, 606 days after the type first began flying.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html


Rumour had it that this was the last test flight needed but didn't mention it in original post because I wasn't sure. Sounds like that info was correct! Yay!!!! Shame they waited so long to bring it to SLC, but guess we should feel honored we were part of final test itinerary LOL.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:21 am

Quoting Part147 (Reply 1):
On Monday 15th August 2011 - it will have been 1,500 days since roll-out

Is this why the Home Stretch is already 116 days long and looks to be another 16-46 days?
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:43 am

Flightblogger has added some interesting additional color to the news article which appeared in ATI on Saturday about certification of the 787, including:

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...On Sunday, ZA102 flew with a plane-load of passengers to put the the aircraft's IFE and environmental control systems to the test, with final F&R ground tests afterward, say program sources, a test for Boeing, not the FAA...
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ertification-flight-testing-c.html

See also: http://boeing.flightaware.com/live/f...2/history/20110814/1800Z/KPAE/KPAE for details about the aforementioned test flight.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:02 am

ZA001 departed BFI yesterday for a flight to Moscow. See: http://boeing.flightaware.com/live/f...1/history/20110815/0001Z/KBFI/UUBW Perhaps another "test for Boeing?"
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:51 am

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 10):

ZA001 is on display at MAKS. It was announced two weeks ago.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:12 pm

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 10):
Perhaps another "test for Boeing?"

What does putting "test for Boeing" in air quotes mean? A test is either for certification or it's not...there is no way to fudge between the two, the processes are very different.

Tom.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:31 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 12):

I was merely trying to acknowledge using Mr. Ostrower's terminology/characterization for the possible purpose of the flight.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:45 pm

Does anyone one know if we might see a 787 at the Chicago Air & Water Show this coming weekend...given that the flight testing is mostly complete it would seem like perfect timing!
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:16 pm

The Moscow trip probably performs two purposes - collect more data for Boeing's internal use and pay a visit to a large 787 customer (SU).
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 5):
it looks like ZA101 (l/n 8 - JA801A), the first 787 scheduled for delivery to ANA, was moved yesterday from the "fuel dock" to the western edge of the Boeing Ramp - another sign of progress towards her first flight.

Any word on when she's due to take to the skies, if she hasn't already?
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:39 pm

No doubt Matt Cawby will have his eyes (and lenses) on ZA101 as her first flight approaches. Ground tests, radio checks, engine runs etc.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:10 pm

Some of the resident spotters at MAN were talking about ZB 's 787 deliveries being firmed up to commence first quarter 2013. Can't wait to see the type finally in service with a UK airline, I may even go back to Poland for LOT's first flight too, if that is ahead of the first UK EIS (supposedly should be).

The 787 feels like an awkward child that has caused it's parents a lot of problems and now is finally getting a job and moving out!
I'm finding it hard to believe, I'm in Devon.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:35 pm

It took a few days for the formal confirmation of this important program milestone to be forthcoming from Boeing:

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Boeing has completed certification flight testing for the first delivery variant of its 787, finishing more than 4,800h and more than 25,000 test conditions...

See: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...cation-flight-test-completion.html

See also: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1884

[Edited 2011-08-17 12:39:50]
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:49 pm

Finally!

Now let's see it operating.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:07 am

Matt Cawby (Paine Field Blog) reports that some ground tests were done Wednesday on ZA101 (l/n 8 - JA801A), the first 787 scheduled for delivery to ANA, engine run fences were also moved to the airplane in the afternoon but there was no engine start as of 5:30 PM (PDT).

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/08/paine-field-august-17.html

BTW, video highlights of 787 flight testing can be found at: http://youtu.be/9yRmwGMNuDo

[Edited 2011-08-17 21:19:55]
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:57 pm

Matt Cawby (Paine Field Blog) reports there was an initial engine run on ZA101 (l/n 8 - JA801A), the first 787 scheduled for delivery to ANA, this morning.

See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/08/ana-787-ja801a-first-engine-run.html for a photo and video.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:35 pm

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 22):
See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/08/ana-787-ja801a-first-engine-run.html for a photo and video.

AWESOME! Gotta love the smokey start-up!!! She purrs like a kitten!         
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:42 am

FAA approval for Type Certication ..... today 747-8F (see 747-8 Thread), next week 787-8? Awesome news!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ification-for-747-8-jumbo-jet.html
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:13 pm

I wonder if the certification ceremony will be webcast like the 1st flight was. If not, I hope the delivery ceremony is!
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:32 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 25):
I wonder if the certification ceremony will be webcast like the 1st flight was

I'm not sure there is a ceremony...there's a big meeting ("Type board") where they hash out any remaining open items, some paperwork goes back and forth, and the FAA issues the certificate when they're satisfied.

Tom.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:56 pm

ZA102 made a test flight along the WA/OR coast yesterday (See: http://boeing.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE102 ). Matt Cawby (Paine Field Blog) has posted a video of the landing at PAE (See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/08/paine-field-august-19.html ).
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:00 pm

I can't believe that we are going to soon have a 787 production and delivery thread like the A380!
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:14 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 28):
I can't believe that we are going to soon have a 787 production and delivery thread like the A380!

I sure hope not!! maybe a quarterly summary of deliveries but tracking every component delivery, roll out spare me. please!
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:34 am

Quote from Flight Global Aug. 8th.

" The 787 will initially be certified up to a 180min ETOPS requirement, allowing the aircraft to fly three hours from a suitable diversion airport, with a 330min certification to follow in early 2012 ahead of delivery to United Airlines for its Houston to Auckland route. ... end of quote.

The New Zealand rules require that the aircraft would have been operated one year at 180-min. before being eligible to be operated at 330-min. I don't know what the FAA says on this. But since both regulators have to approve the operation I would expect that UA will not operate more than 180-min. out of the gate so far as IAH-AKL is concerned unless they have one years experience with the type before starting this route.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:01 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 26):
I'm not sure there is a ceremony

There is a ceremony. Attendees include Boeing Execs, Program Engineering Managers, and reps from the FAA and EASA. For a milestone program like the 787, I expect it will include at least Albaugh and the FAA and EASA Directors.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 26):
...there's a big meeting ("Type board") where they hash out any remaining open items, some paperwork goes back and forth, and the FAA issues the certificate when they're satisfied.


The Type Board is for working level folks. The Heavy Breathers go to the Cert Ceremony.
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:51 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 30):
The New Zealand rules require that the aircraft would have been operated one year at 180-min. before being eligible to be operated at 330-min.

That's on the operating side (JCAB is the same way). The aircraft could show up with ETOPS330 certification on the type and they'd still be restricted to ETOPS180 operations for a year.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 30):
I don't know what the FAA says on this.

The FAA typically does not require this for established carriers with a history of ETOPS operations.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 30):
But since both regulators have to approve the operation I would expect that UA will not operate more than 180-min. out of the gate so far as IAH-AKL is concerned unless they have one years experience with the type before starting this route.

Both regulators don't have to approve, just the one offering the operating certificate for the airline in question.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 31):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 26):
I'm not sure there is a ceremony

There is a ceremony.

Any idea if it's open/shared/webcast/etc. or is it a closed door thing?

Tom.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:55 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 29):
I sure hope not!! maybe a quarterly summary of deliveries but tracking every component delivery, roll out spare me. please!

Bah humbug
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:11 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 32):
Any idea if it's open/shared/webcast/etc. or is it a closed door thing?

I expect there will be a shindig at the north end of the ramp like they have done in the past for some special 777 deliveries.

So you should be able to observe some of it from the Museum of Future Flight.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:58 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):

There will probably only be a large scale "public ceremony" for the actual first delivery to ANA. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't take place on the parking pad immediately adjacent to the Future of Flight Aviation Center as has been the case for other major first deliveries in recent years, a la the first 777F, etc. (See: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=13&item=286 )



Future of Flight Aviaition Center adjacent to the Kilo North ramp at PAE (12/2010)
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:02 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 32):
Both regulators don't have to approve, just the one offering the operating certificate for the airline in question.

Sorry Tom, you are wrong on this one. Both the NZ (to SunriseValley) & Australian (to me) regulators have confirmed that the approval of the regulators on BOTH ends of the route is required for EDTO beyond 180. Presumably because its not ICAO approved.

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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:12 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 32):
Both regulators don't have to approve, just the one offering the operating certificate for the airline in question.

An official with the New Zealand regulator who was part of the Aus/ N.Z. EDTO task force told me that both the O and D country regulators must approve. I assume it is possible to clarify this somewhere within the ICAO "paperwork".
 
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Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:30 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
Presumably because its not ICAO approved.

Ah, you have probably fingered that there is no ICAO standard at this time ? Is this so?
 
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Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:25 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 38):

Ah, you have probably fingered that there is no ICAO standard at this time ? Is this so?

Don't know, but can't think of any other reason for the O/D approval required. May be if there is an ICAO standard A & NZ have opted out, I believe this is possible, although I find it hard to believe that either country has done so.

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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:26 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 32):
There is a ceremony.

Any idea if it's open/shared/webcast/etc. or is it a closed door thing?

Don't know what will be done for the 787. The ones I've been to have been closed door only. I expect the 787 may be more elaborate given the nature and difficulties of the porgram.
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:56 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 38):
Ah, you have probably fingered that there is no ICAO standard at this time ? Is this so?

I believe the highest ICAO standard is currently ETOPS-180/207.

EASA has approved the A330 family for ETOPS-240 and the FAA has approved US-registered twin-engined airplane operators to fly to the design limit of the aircraft.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:38 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
Both the NZ (to SunriseValley) & Australian (to me) regulators have confirmed that the approval of the regulators on BOTH ends of the route is required for EDTO beyond 180.

Interesting...how does that actually work? There are ETOPS180 and ETOPS330 routes between the same two destinations. Assuming that the issuer of the operating certificate for the airline has approved ETOPS330, what authority does the destination regulator have to say that you can't use the ETOPS330 route?

Tom.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:10 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 42):
what authority does the destination regulator have to say that you can't use the ETOPS330 route?

If ETOPS 330 is NOT ICAO approved (see Stitch-reply41) then the authority is simply "you cannot enter our airspace on an ETOPS330 route" or " we will not allow you to carry passengers into our airspace over ETOPS330 routes".

Every country has the right to regulate the operation of ALL carriers within its airspace, it's just that most (all?) countries have agreed via the Chicago Convention and other treaties and ICAO agreements that each country will regulate its own carriers world wide. It appears that ETOPS >180 currently falls outside those arrangements, hence the need for approval of both the origin AND destination countries.

It is amazing when you think about it (which few people ever do) that arrangement put in place in 1944 are still working relatively well almost 60 years later. Without them the International Civil Aviation landscape would be vastly different.

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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:22 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 43):
If ETOPS 330 is NOT ICAO approved (see Stitch-reply41) then the authority is simply "you cannot enter our airspace on an ETOPS330 route" or " we will not allow you to carry passengers into our airspace over ETOPS330 routes".

Every country has the right to regulate the operation of ALL carriers within its airspace, it's just that most (all?) countries have agreed via the Chicago Convention and other treaties and ICAO agreements that each country will regulate its own carriers world wide. It appears that ETOPS >180 currently falls outside those arrangements, hence the need for approval of both the origin AND destination countries.

What about overflying third countries? Does that third country also need to approve high ETOPS route?
Even better, flight can stay outside of third country airspace, but list their airport as diversion point. Is there any authority of that diversion country over flight plan? That way there will be even more parties involved in it..
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:58 pm

I was at the Boeing plant last Friday and the guy showing us around was very excited about the certification. There seems to be an awful lot of these planes sitting these with a look on their faces saying 'let me at it'! I liked the faint whiff of plastic as we overlooked the line.

Sorry for the noob question...what are the typical routes for this plane? Typical distances? I think the guy said that it could do 7-8,000 miles but is that likely?
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:01 am

ANA announced NRT to BOS as one of their first routes. CO announced IAH to AKL. Figure 15-16 hours in the air.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:09 am

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 45):
I think the guy said that it could do 7-8,000 miles but is that likely?

Probably but there are some of us waiting rather impatiently for Boeing to get this sort of data into their ACAP documents on their website so we can see exactly what this aircraft can do.
 
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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:39 am

I am having a hard time believing that Continental wasn't and United isn't aware of the regulatory environs in New Zealand and didn't plan for this in advance of reiterating internally that this was their intended first destination.

A year slide is a very, very long time.

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RE: B787 Enters Home Stretch Towards Delivery Pt.2

Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:41 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 48):
I am having a hard time believing that Continental wasn't and United isn't aware of the regulatory environs in New Zealand and didn't plan for this in advance of reiterating internally that this was their intended first destination.

A year slide is a very, very long time.

Their announcement of the route was at least a year before N.Z. promulgated their final rules.

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