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Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:16 am

From sources, Delta will FINALLY open an Airbus crew base in Atlanta. At the moment, there is a lof of 319/320/330 flying in and out of Atlanta. They've had to bridge crews from the former NW hubs since cross-fleeting began and they really ramped up flying of the type in Atlanta, all the while sending MD88s/737s to MSP and DTW.

My only question is, what took so long?
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:56 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
My only question is, what took so long?

The first real priority was getting the A32X base in SLC off the ground while moving the MDXX pilot base off the ground. I think we'll probably see more bases opened/closed over the coming. Up here in SEA, where i'm based, our 767ER base is slated to open more positions for FO's and Captains in the next few months. Why? I'm not sure, but it either means a new route, or turning over some of the A330 flying to the 767
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:57 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):

My only question is, what took so long?

My question as well. The next question is when/if a DC-9-50 domicile opens in ATL. MEM still has one but sees so few -9s, while ATL has nearly as many -9s as MEM/DTW/MSP combined. Only thing holding them back I'd think is the -9s leaving the fleet.

Does DTW have a 737 domicile yet? I'd think that would have to be next on the list. End of the day, once all dust settles, I'd imagine the following:

ATL - 737, 756, 764, 777, M89, A32x, A330
CVG - anything? 30 mainline flights a day...
SLC - A320, 737, 756
NYC - 737, 747, 756, 764, M89, A32x
DTW - 737, 747, 756, 764, 777, M89, A32x, A330
MSP - 756, M89, A32x
MEM - anything? 30 mainline flights a day...
LAX - 737, 756, 777
SEA - 756, A330

MSP doesn't need a widebody base badly (sorry MSP folks...); for 5 long-haul flights a day, it can easily be moved in; especially if CDG stays 767 and AMS keeps a 767; would be 1 A330, 1 764 and 1 777 a day - not enough for a base. Not sure if MEM/CVG need a base either; if they can schedule a certain type of plane in there to be the primary plane (ie make both airports mostly Airbus) then it could work but otherwise it's a lot for very little.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 1):
The first real priority was getting the A32X base in SLC off the ground while moving the MDXX pilot base off the ground.

I'll admit to not looking at timetables every day, so I don't feel bad about asking: I know the MD90 has moved very much to MSP, but has the replacement flying in SLC primarily been the Airbus fleet?

I have always sorta wondered what the driving force behind selecting an A320 for a route or a 737-800 for a route would be. I can clearly see needing the A319 to move around the system since its the primary 120 seat plane in the stable.

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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:29 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
From sources,

This has been out for about 2 months, on the AE they held quite some time ago. ATL A330 is opening (rather, now open) with MSP A330 closing. They also opened ATL A320 with all the pilot slots, both CA and FO, coming from the DTW base.

See my thread here:
US Airline Pilot Bases For Each Aircraft Type (by Transpac787 Jun 14 2011 in Tech Ops)

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
My question as well. The next question is when/if a DC-9-50 domicile opens in ATL

They won't open one, with the DC9 leaving the fleet in the near future.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
MEM still has one but sees so few -9s,

Correct, MEM does a large share of the ATL flying with many of the MEM-ATL frequencies being operated by the D95.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Does DTW have a 737 domicile yet?

Not yet, though it's highly rumored. Other than ATL, the number of daily 73N departures in DTW is larger than any other two bases combined. SLC+NYC, for instance, is still smaller than the amount of 737 flying DTW has.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
ATL - 737, 756, 764, 777, M89, A32x, A330

Correct, though your codes are wrong.

M88, 320, 73N, 7ER, 765, 330, 777.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
CVG - anything? 30 mainline flights a day...

M88 and 73N

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
SLC - A320, 737, 756

Again correct, but watch your codes.

320, 73N, 7ER.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
NYC - 737, 747, 756, 764, M89, A32x

M88, 73N, 7ER, 765.

NYC does not have an A320 base or a 747 base.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
DTW - 737, 747, 756, 764, 777, M89, A32x, A330

DC9, 320, 7ER, 330, 777, 744.

DTW does not (yet) have a 73N or an M89 base - both of which are possible down the line. DTW will never get a 764 base unless something *significantly* changes in DL's fleet rotation and utilization strategy

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
MSP - 756, M89, A32x

DC9, M88, 320, 7ER.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
MEM - anything? 30 mainline flights a day...

DC9, 320.

DC9 will close with retirement of the aircraft - 320 base remains.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
LAX - 737, 756, 777

73N, 7ER.

No 777 base in LAX.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
SEA - 756, A330

7ER, 330.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):
but has the replacement flying in SLC primarily been the Airbus fleet?

Yes. They closed the SLC M89 base, essentially 'moving' it to MSP which has a huge amount of MD88 and MD90 flying now. A lot of the MSP A320 flying went out to SLC, which does both west coast and east coast from the hub.

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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:45 am

@Transpac - my post was more speculation for once the dust settles down in the Delta fleet with DC-9s being gone, etc. More of a long-range outlook with what could be the case in 2013 rather than what it is now.

Wasn't sure if Detroit could eventually support a 764 base; if they get 2x LHR and keep DTW on a 764 it might be possible long-term. Lots can change in two years time - that's the one thing that's certain.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:51 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
More of a long-range outlook with what could be the case in 2013 rather than what it is now.

Other than a vast change of strategy on the part of DL given widebody fleeting, and even narrowbody fleeting, the only bases you mentioned that have a likely to probable chance of opening are:

NYC 320
DTW M88
DTW 73N

Another one not mentioned that has a somewhat likely chance of opening, eventually, would be NYC 330. Again, it depends heavily how DL decides to use the A330 vs the 764.

A NYC 744 base will never happen though, and a LAX 777 base is highly unlikely. The SYD flight is covered by pilots on domestic rotations from ATL or DTW, the HND flight is going to A332, and the occasional NRT flight can be covered by ATL crews on NRT rotations.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:11 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):

A NYC 744 base will never happen though, and a LAX 777 base is highly unlikely. The SYD flight is covered by pilots on domestic rotations from ATL or DTW, the HND flight is going to A332, and the occasional NRT flight can be covered by ATL crews on NRT rotations.

Had forgotten that HND was going A330 which does change things. Had been thinking that was staying 777. Granted, who knows what might change in 2 years time once the VAustralia JV is in place and if anything changes with Haneda/Narita.

As for NYC, agree that it was probably the most far-fetched one (I went back in and added it at the end after compiling my list). Just depends on how much Delta wants to keep DHing in pilots for the TLV flight.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:55 am

Could Delta theoretically order more 764s? Seem to be a pretty popular aircraft for them for larger TATL markets and could be great for DTW and ATL intl growth someday.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:31 am

Excellent.
"Everything" is lined up for a massive NEO order!
  
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:14 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
From sources, Delta will FINALLY open an Airbus crew base in Atlanta.

I thought almost all DL Flight Attendants were already qualified on Airbus equipment?

Ohhhhh. "Crew base" means "pilot"???
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:12 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 9):
Excellent.
"Everything" is lined up for a massive NEO order!

  

How did you manage to infer that, by them opening a crew base where one is needed for an existing fleet type?? Using your logic and deduction, I could also infer that DL is planning a massive A330 order also, given they are opening an ATL pilot base for the type, and that they are also planning a massive order for more 757/767 because they are increasing the size of the SEA-base.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:23 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):

I think the Hyper smilie is a clue to his comment  
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:45 pm

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 8):
Could Delta theoretically order more 764s?

They already have an order for a better aircraft in exactly the same size class: 788s arriving in 2019, right around time to replace early 763s.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:49 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
My only question is, what took so long?

Greater network and fleet needs elsewhere in an era of constrained, finite resources. Domicile realignments are expensive, complex, and difficult to execute.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:02 pm

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 10):
I thought almost all DL Flight Attendants were already qualified on Airbus equipment?

Everyone is qualified on everything at this point.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:45 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
ATL - 737, 756, 764, 777, M89, A32x, A330

Would they ever open a 744 base in Atlanta? Maybe when the fence comes down in 2012?
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:17 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Only thing holding them back I'd think is the -9s leaving the fleet.

Words from CEO: remainign DC-9s will be retired individually whenever they need heavy maintenance repair. As Soon as they need it... those will be gone.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
My only question is, what took so long?

Were the unsettled mechanic union contracts an issue? Or even pilot union contracts?
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:53 pm

This was announced about 2 months ago. But yes, the all airbus' A320 fleet and A330 fleet will be opening in Atlanta, meanwhile the MSP A330 base will close.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:12 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 16):
Maybe when the fence comes down in 2012?

That would be 01 January 2015.  

And that has nothing to do with it anyway. If they opened a base, it would be open bid for any PMNW pilot. What's holding them back is ATL having exactly zero (0) daily 744 departures.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:20 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
From sources, Delta will FINALLY open an Airbus crew base in Atlanta. At the moment, there is a lof of 319/320/330 flying in and out of Atlanta. They've had to bridge crews from the former NW hubs since cross-fleeting began and they really ramped up flying of the type in Atlanta, all the while sending MD88s/737s to MSP and DTW.

My only question is, what took so long?

The A330 base was communicated the day after the MSP Pilot Training Facility (NATCO) closure was announced. The A330 base is also being moved from MSP. This was, what, 4-6 weeks ago?
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:28 am

Wow, folks get bent out of shape over nothing. Okay, I get it. This was put out a while back. Well, this was the first I heard of it and none the less this is the first of its own thread even if it may have been mentioned on here before. Seens like at leaset some are half way interested. Geesh
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:57 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 22):
Wow, folks get bent out of shape over nothing. Okay, I get it. This was put out a while back. Well, this was the first I heard of it and none the less this is the first of its own thread even if it may have been mentioned on here before. Seens like at leaset some are half way interested. Geesh

My friend is transferring from the MD88 in CVG to the A320 in ATL. He was on the 320 in MEM before the merger. He says alot of MEM guys (and gals) that live in Florida are having a tough time commuting to MEM with all the service cuts.
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:54 pm

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 23):
My friend is transferring from the MD88 in CVG to the A320 in ATL. He was on the 320 in MEM before the merger. He says alot of MEM guys (and gals) that live in Florida are having a tough time commuting to MEM with all the service cuts.

I bet. And trying to commute via ATL is just as hard, if not worse. The FLA-ATL flights are jam packed, almost always. And last time I flew ATL-MEM it was primarily plowed by Pinnacle and ASA CR9's.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:20 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 24):
I bet. And trying to commute via ATL is just as hard, if not worse. The FLA-ATL flights are jam packed, almost always. And last time I flew ATL-MEM it was primarily plowed by Pinnacle and ASA CR9's.

Yeah, I was based in MCO back in the 90's, and even then we had a ton of crews commuting to ATL. It's too bad they couldn't add a pilot domicile to the FA ones in MCO and FLL/MIA.
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Other than a vast change of strategy on the part of DL given widebody fleeting, and even narrowbody fleeting, the only bases you mentioned that have a likely to probable chance of opening are:

NYC 320
DTW M88
DTW 73N

The NYC 320 base is highly likely, especially with the LGA slot swap going through.

DTW 73N is more likely than DTW M88 simply based on the amount of 738 flying out of DTW, especially to west coast destinations. There really isn't a whole lot of MD88/90 flying out of DTW outside of LGA, MSP, ATL.

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 14):
Greater network and fleet needs elsewhere in an era of constrained, finite resources. Domicile realignments are expensive, complex, and difficult to execute.

Exactly. This was stated to be the exact reason why the base realignment is taking place in stages over time. Management knows that with any realignment a lot of pilots will rebid aircraft and bases due to personal preferences. There is only so much training capacity, hence why DL was careful to do it in stages. Out of all of the bases, MSP has the highest percentage of pilots that live in base (live in MSP, don't commute). This meant with any realignment that there would be a lot of high-seniority MSP pilots that would bump to other aircraft likely to stay in-base.

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 17):
Words from CEO: remainign DC-9s will be retired individually whenever they need heavy maintenance repair. As Soon as they need it... those will be gone.

Correct, this has been the DC-9-50 retirement plan, burn cycles on them until they require a heavy maintenance check, then park them.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 4):
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
CVG - anything? 30 mainline flights a day...

M88 and 73N

The 73N base is supposed to stay in CVG, mostly because of maintenance performed there. The M88 base is unknown in the longer term, could in theory move to DTW.
 
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:58 am

Some thoughts:

When DL moved the 330 base from MSP to ATL earlier this year they did it all at once, rather than slowly pulling down the 330 base 30 crew pairs at a time.

DL has quite a large number of pilots who live in DFW, would a small M88/M90 domicile work (30 CAPTs /30 FOs)? Would any other spoke in the network support a similar sized base of narrow body flight crew?
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RE: Delta To Open Airbus Domicile In Atlanta

Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:11 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 26):
There really isn't a whole lot of MD88/90 flying out of DTW outside of LGA, MSP, ATL.

That's actually incorrect.

In the month of October, DTW will have in the ballpark of 750 departures of M88/M8R/M9K. LGA/JFK combined will have in the ballpark of 650. Even lower, CVG will have only about 300 departures for the month.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 26):
DTW 73N is more likely than DTW M88 simply based on the amount of 738 flying out of DTW,

DTW is actually the largest 737 station other than ATL, and that's including LGA/JFK combined.

Rough October departure counts:

DTW: 710
SLC: 670
JFK/LGA: 550
LAX: 430

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