dtw9
Topic Author
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:44 pm

Just looked on Boeing's website and see that there are only two 717's available for sale or lease. Any ideas who took the others. I know HAL took three, but who took the other 20
 
n471wn
Posts: 1342
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:23 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:48 pm

My sources show that 25 were available with 3 of these going to HAL----one each in Oct, Nov and December of this year which should leave 22 available.....
 
dtw9
Topic Author
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:51 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 1):
which should leave 22 available.....

Not as of today
 
n471wn
Posts: 1342
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:23 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):
Not as of today

I guess then there will be an announcement from Boeing soon.......
 
User avatar
1337Delta764
Posts: 4919
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:02 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:58 pm

Could it be DL? DL has been acquiring used MD-90s on the cheap, and the 717 doesn't really have much of a resale value either. If DL adds the 717, then they can also pick up the Saudia MD-90s due to a common cockpit.
The Pink Delta 767-400ER - The most beautiful aircraft in the sky
 
iceberg210
Posts: 131
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:11 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:03 pm

Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 5):
Could it be DL? DL has been acquiring used MD-90s on the cheap, and the 717 doesn't really have much of a resale value either. If DL adds the 717, then they can also pick up the Saudia MD-90s due to a common cockpit.

At first I thought, DL? Come on, but then again when you think about it. If the news of the big 737-900ER order hits about the same time coincidence? Plus DL said that they're small aircraft needs were now 'less pressing' so the order for those could be delayed. Makes one wonder if Boeing didn't use the 717's as a neat little bonus for Delta to sure up the 737NG order... One never knows, and if I were Boeing I certainly wouldn't be above using those 717's as a nice little interim solution that could help sway a sale. If DL did pick these up (I have no idea, just pure speculation) it'd be a very nice little touch by Boeing.
Erik Berg (Foster's is over but never forgotten)
 
Okie
Posts: 3554
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:30 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):
I guess then there will be an announcement from Boeing soon.......


22 aircraft? I would expect an announcement, sounds more like a clerical error.

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 6):
One never knows, and if I were Boeing I certainly wouldn't be above using those 717's as a nice little interim solution that could help sway a sale


Maybe to sweeten the pie on a deal maybe a couple but 22, I am thinking that is a bit of a stretch.

I am not sure where they fit in DL's scope clause someone would have to answer that for me.



Okie
 
n471wn
Posts: 1342
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:23 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:32 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 7):

22 aircraft? I would expect an announcement, sounds more like a clerical error.

My thought as well......
 
User avatar
mke717spotter
Posts: 1950
Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:32 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:46 pm

It would be awesome if DL picked up the rest of these 717s. I'm guessing they could be used on some of the routes that the DC-9-30s used to fly.
Will you watch the Cleveland Browns and the Detroit Lions on Sunday? Only if coach Eric Mangini resigned after a loss.
 
iceberg210
Posts: 131
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:11 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:09 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 7):
Maybe to sweeten the pie on a deal maybe a couple but 22, I am thinking that is a bit of a stretch.

I am not sure where they fit in DL's scope clause someone would have to answer that for me.



I would actually think that Boeing would want to throw as many of these planes at a customer as possible. The thing about the 717 is that if it's not in your fleet to just have a few of them I would think would be prohibitively expensive if you're a large airline like Delta, so my thinking is that 20 would be a good round number that they could use and be enough aircraft that you wouldn't be in poor shape in terms of fleet size. Again I wouldn't bet any money on DL picking these up, it's nothing more than a thought, at least for me I have no information or whatever to back it up. But it'd be a neat and crafty move by Boeing if they did it, and I'd be real proud of them for pulling something like this. Remember those 717's aren't doing anyone any favors by sitting, so if you're Boeing you're better off them flying and you selling parts for them then they're sitting (lets face it the value of 717's isn't all that great so the depreciation is likely not all that significant). Sort of that whitetail logic that MD used with American, etc...

Scope clause could/would be an issue, I'm not well enough versed in that.
Erik Berg (Foster's is over but never forgotten)
 
dtw9
Topic Author
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 7):
22 aircraft? I would expect an announcement, sounds more like a clerical error.

It's not 22, It's 20 that have been picked up by someone. Not a clerical error either. The 717's were listed as a single group of 25 available. Now it shows two individual aircraft for sale or lease,C/N's 55166 and 55168
 
User avatar
airbuseric
Posts: 3560
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:24 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:42 pm

Might be a few more for Finnish airline Blue1 (KF)? They do have a couple of 717's around now, and soon their RJ-85 fleet will be retired. So might a few 717's replace their RJ-85s?
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
 
SPREE34
Posts: 1566
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:09 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:53 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 7):
I am not sure where they fit in DL's scope clause someone would have to answer that for me.


No issue if they are flown by Delta pilots.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
 
User avatar
BasilFawlty
Posts: 800
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:23 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:03 pm

Maybe VIM Airlines? Earlier this year there were messages that they would like to take over 15 717's from Boeing.
'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
 
TSS
Posts: 2485
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:07 pm

I thought it would make perfect sense for WN to take all or at least some of these planes. Via the acquisition of FL they've already inherited the largest single fleet of 717s on the planet, so having a few more of the type in the fleet certainly wouldn't hurt. Also, adding a few more 717s would allow WN to modify the new arrivals directly to WN specs and the new planes could then be swapped with existing FL 717s while the FL planes are converted to WN specs, thereby avoiding disruption of service.

[Edited 2011-08-22 17:52:58 by srbmod]
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
User avatar
United_fan
Posts: 6374
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2000 11:11 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:19 pm

One went to MIA today. One of MX's or Midwests?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SXA861
Champagne For My Real Friends,and Real Pain For My Sham Friends
 
Okie
Posts: 3554
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:30 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:23 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 15):
I thought it would make perfect sense for WN to take all or at least some of these planes. Via the acquisition of FL they've already inherited the largest single fleet of 717s on the planet, so having a few more of the type in the fleet certainly wouldn't hurt


That kind of was my first thought but 20 planes is a small fleet. Short of DL replacing the 9's on a temporary basis then I would suspect the message boards to be alive for whoever got 20 717's at least looking for DEFO's and maybe DEC's.

Okie
 
elbandgeek
Posts: 391
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:26 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:29 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 15):
I thought it would make perfect sense for WN to take all or at least some of these planes. Via the acquisition of FL they've already inherited the largest single fleet of 717s on the planet, so having a few more of the type in the fleet certainly wouldn't hurt. Also, adding a few more 717s would allow WN to modify the new arrivals directly to WN specs and the new planes could then be swapped with existing FL 717s while the FL planes are converted to WN specs, thereby avoiding disruption of service.

That, and they can dump the 735s which are already the oddballs of the fleet and will be even moreso after integration.

[Edited 2011-08-22 17:53:21 by srbmod]
 
User avatar
vhqpa
Posts: 1205
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:21 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:36 am

Qantas were talking about leasing an extra two 717 frames

Quoting Qantas:
Key points of the fleet plan update, which covers the period through to the end of FY13:
* the lease of five additional B737-800s, and the extension of leases on two B737-800s, for Qantas
* the lease of 10 additional A320s, and the extension of leases on 11 A320s, for Jetstar
* the lease of one A330-200 for Jetstar
* the purchase of 10 Fokker 100s for Network Aviation
* the lease of two additional B717s for QantasLink
Source

Perhaps this accounts at least two of the frames in question
"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13772
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:38 am

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 19):
Perhaps this accounts at least two of the frames in question

Might account for the whole lot then:

3 for HA
2 for QF group
20 for Unidentified Customer
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
dtw9
Topic Author
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:44 am

Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 4):
Could it be DL?

Here's a few things to ponder

In the news about Delta's purchase of 737-900er's there is mention that Delta has pushed the selection of a smaller narrowbody aircraft for fleet renewal out significantly

Southwest recently made this statement: Chief executive officer Gary Kelly said yesterday that "we don't see a reason to keep the 717s longer than we have to, or find a unique replacement for the 717 that is anything other than the 737".

As of today 20 Boeing owned 717's are longer available for lease

The question is, could Delta have worked out a deal to take the Airtran 717's also? Remember Airtran only owns 8 of its 717's. So 80 plus 20 Boeing owned 717's =100 plus 100 737's =200

[Edited 2011-08-22 18:53:14]
 
sxf24
Posts: 601
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:22 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:11 am

The planes are not going to Delta or Southwest/Airtran. An announcement will be made at a later date.
 
TSS
Posts: 2485
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 20):
In the news about Delta's purchase of 737-900er's there is mention that Delta has pushed the selection of a smaller narrowbody aircraft for fleet renewal out significantly

Southwest recently made this statement: Chief executive officer Gary Kelly said yesterday that "we don't see a reason to keep the 717s longer than we have to, or find a unique replacement for the 717 that is anything other than the 737".

As of today 20 Boeing owned 717's are longer available for lease

The question is, could Delta have worked out a deal to take the Airtran 717's also? Remember Airtran only owns 8 of its 717's. So 80 plus 20 Boeing owned 717's =100 plus 100 737's =200

That theory does make good sense. WN could turn the 717s over to DL as the leases run out, replacing each one with a 737. Or, if enough available 73Gs could be found to replace the 717s, then WN could possibly transfer the existing leases to DL even sooner.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13772
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:35 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 22):
That theory does make good sense. WN could turn the 717s over to DL as the leases run out, replacing each one with a 737. Or, if enough available 73Gs could be found to replace the 717s, then WN could possibly transfer the existing leases to DL even sooner.

This would allow them to defer a decision on the "next gen" aircraft until 2020 delivery or later, and because DL has a large pilot base for the DC9, it makes logistical sense. Would be an interesting idea.

WN invades ATL while giving the FL 717s to the main airline at ATL...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
FX1816
Posts: 299
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:02 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:21 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
One went to MIA today. One of MX's or Midwests?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SXA861

Well technically they were all Midwest aircraft at one point. I did drive by VCV yesterday (Sunday) on my way home from work and saw that N922ME was already completely painted in HA colors, nice looking airplane.

FX1816
 
SZDC10
Posts: 19
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:39 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:23 am

Isn't WN keeping the 717 fleet in order to retain many of the smaller markets they are getting in the FL acquisition? Are are 737's able to fly into those markets as well?

Cheers,

SZDC10  
 
bonusonus
Posts: 228
Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:49 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:06 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 23):
This would allow them to defer a decision on the "next gen" aircraft until 2020 delivery or later, and because DL has a large pilot base for the DC9, it makes logistical sense. Would be an interesting idea.

Does the 717 have cockpit commonality with the DC-9? I thought it was a totally different cockpit...
 
User avatar
RWA380
Posts: 4466
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:51 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:16 pm

I would think if WN planned to keep the 717 for smaller stations BOI wouldn't have suffered so hard with the latest cutbacks that were recently announced.
Next Flights: PDX-HNL-OGG-LIH-PDX On AS, WP & HA
 
fpetrutiu
Posts: 643
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:28 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 26):
Does the 717 have cockpit commonality with the DC-9? I thought it was a totally different cockpit

Not with the DC-9. With the MD-90's from Saudi Arabia it does, acctually they have the same cockpit.
 
User avatar
enilria
Posts: 6485
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:36 pm

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 5):
At first I thought, DL? Come on, but then again when you think about it. If the news of the big 737-900ER order hits about the same time coincidence? Plus DL said that they're small aircraft needs were now 'less pressing' so the order for those could be delayed. Makes one wonder if Boeing didn't use the 717's as a neat little bonus for Delta to sure up the 737NG order...
Quoting TSS (Reply 22):
That theory does make good sense. WN could turn the 717s over to DL as the leases run out, replacing each one with a 737.
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 20):
Southwest recently made this statement: Chief executive officer Gary Kelly said yesterday that "we don't see a reason to keep the 717s longer than we have to, or find a unique replacement for the 717 that is anything other than the 737".

I've been saying that WN was going to dump the 717s ASAP and I have not seen a single supportive post in other threads and now I stumble on this quote in this thread. My prediction is that the 717s will be gone in 5 years by using the existing WN/FL delivery stream to replace them.

I would not doubt DL is taking the planes. They are super cheap and relatively new.
 
PHLBOS
Posts: 6504
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:38 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 23):
WN invades ATL while giving the FL 717s to the main airline at ATL...

If that's indeed the case; does anybody else see the irony here?

717s originally flown by FL going to DL while once upon a time, an upstart carrier (J7) picks up a bunch of former-DL DC-9s to start off with.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
 
TSS
Posts: 2485
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:58 pm

Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 4):
If DL adds the 717, then they can also pick up the Saudia MD-90s due to a common cockpit.

From what I've read on here, the Saudia MD-90s were specially built to share a common cockpit rating with the MD-11. They are different from both 717s and other MD-90s, though to what extent and in what specific ways I don't know, hence their "oddball" status. A while back there was a thread about the possibility of DL updating the cockpits of their existing MD-90s, and in that thread I was informed that the 717 cockpit was the most up-to-date of any DC-9 descendent, thus the 717 cockpit would be the likely standard to which the MD-90s would be upgraded because it is already approved for that general aircraft type. In the aforementioned previous thread, I suggested that if DL was going to be upgrading the cockpits of their MD-90s anyway, they might as well grab the Saudia MD-90s and change them over to 717 spec first then swap them out with existing in-service MD-90s as needed.

If (HUGE "If" ) DL does upgrade their MD-90 fleet's cockpit to 717 spec, adding actual 717s to their overall fleet mix should be no problem at all.

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 26):
Does the 717 have cockpit commonality with the DC-9? I thought it was a totally different cockpit...

As far as I know, DC-9s still use "steam gauges" whereas MD-90s use EFIS.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
FlyingAY
Posts: 408
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:26 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:10 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 11):
Might be a few more for Finnish airline Blue1 (KF)? They do have a couple of 717's around now, and soon their RJ-85 fleet will be retired. So might a few 717's replace their RJ-85s?

KF has been axing a lot of their routes this year: LHR, CDG, AMS and MUC are going. Their plan is to get rid of the rest of the Avros, and possibly the 717s they have are enough currently. I'd say it's quite unlikely that more than 2-3 planes will be added to the fleet. KF seems to be completely without a long-term business plan. One day it's leisure traffic they're after, then business travellers, then the business destinations are axed, what next...
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13772
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:27 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 26):
This would allow them to defer a decision on the "next gen" aircraft until 2020 delivery or later, and because DL has a large pilot base for the DC9, it makes logistical sense. Would be an interesting idea.

Does the 717 have cockpit commonality with the DC-9? I thought it was a totally different cockpit...

Cross type rating between the two can't be too complicated, at least compared to other fleets.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
User avatar
kgaiflyer
Posts: 2589
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:22 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:36 pm

Forgive me -- I'm old and confused. Are the YX and the MX 717s (returned to Boeing after their demise) the same planes ? Or are we talking about different airframes ?

I ask because there was an earlier rumor that the Mexicana 717s had been offered to FL-WN at a special price if they agreed to take the entire grouping.

[Edited 2011-08-23 09:49:38]
 
mdword1959
Posts: 102
Joined: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:45 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:45 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 34):
Are the YX and the MX 717s (returned to Boeing after their demise) the same planes ?

Same planes.
 
User avatar
pylon101
Posts: 430
Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:36 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:05 pm

Yes, it may be VIM Airlines (Moscow, Russia).
I have no idea where the negotiations are.
But they are hiring pilots for Boeing-717.
 
combatshadow
Posts: 163
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:11 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:15 pm

dtw9 beat me to it. I've been pondering the same scenario in my head, you just beat me to the math!

TSS, wasn't the 717 cockpit designed to be similar to the MD-11 cockpit anyway??? I thought that was a combo deal long before the Saudi MD-90's were cockpits configured.
Bob
 
TSS
Posts: 2485
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:52 pm

Quoting combatshadow (Reply 37):
TSS, wasn't the 717 cockpit designed to be similar to the MD-11 cockpit anyway??? I thought that was a combo deal long before the Saudi MD-90's were cockpits configured.

After my last post, I did some poking around on the internet looking for photos of standard MD-90, Saudia MD-90, and 717 cockpits to compare. If the photos I came across were correctly labeled, then the Saudia MD-90 and 717 cockpits do look extremely similar to my untrained, non-pilot eyes, and both are distinctly more modern than the standard MD-90 cockpit. Purely as a guess, I'd say that McD-D/Boeing decided after seeing that fitting the MD-11 instruments to the Saudia MD-90s was possible that a similar arrangement would be the best way to go for the 717s.

To be completely honest here, I've dived in a bit over my head by repeating what others have told me on this subject in a similar thread, and I wish someone with more real-world knowledge of the differences between these types would chime in to either confirm or disprove what I've said.
Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Crew
Posts: 11855
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:02 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 36):
Yes, it may be VIM Airlines (Moscow, Russia).
I have no idea where the negotiations are.
But they are hiring pilots for Boeing-717.

Thank you. That makes far more sense to me than DL, FL/WN, or any other large airline.
I suspect it will take a bit of time to know, but that suggestion passes the 'smell test.'


Lightsaber
"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
 
ikramerica
Posts: 13772
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 9:33 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:03 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
Thank you. That makes far more sense to me than DL, FL/WN, or any other large airline.
I suspect it will take a bit of time to know, but that suggestion passes the 'smell test.'

Sure it makes more sense. But is it as fun a rumor? Hardly...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
User avatar
csturdiv
Posts: 1623
Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:33 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:27 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 36):
Yes, it may be VIM Airlines (Moscow, Russia).
I have no idea where the negotiations are.
But they are hiring pilots for Boeing-717.

Would that be for expansion or a change in equipment, getting rid of their fleet of B757 for the smaller B717? And how does the rumor of them getting the B717 over the SSJ sit with those in Russian aviation?
An American expat from the ORD area living and working in SYD
 
User avatar
ODwyerPW
Posts: 971
Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:30 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:47 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 40):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):Thank you. That makes far more sense to me than DL, FL/WN, or any other large airline.I suspect it will take a bit of time to know, but that suggestion passes the 'smell test.'

Sure it makes more sense. But is it as fun a rumor? Hardly...

Best statement of the thread!! Thanks for the moment of levity.
learning never stops.
 
FlyASAGuy2005
Posts: 3965
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:55 am

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:16 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 38):

To clear things up, the MD-90 was to originally have the MD-11 "style" glass cockpit. DL, which was to be the largest oeprator, wanted commonality with their MD88s along with other operators that were flying MD80s at the time so although the non-glass cockpit seems standard on the 90s, the Saudi version was suppose to be the standard for the type but no one wanted it due to the above reasons. So really, it wasn't that because it worked so well on the SV birds that they went ahead with the 717s but rather that it was the plan from the beginning of the MD-90 program but only one operator took the 'option'.
What gets measured gets done.
 
User avatar
pylon101
Posts: 430
Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:36 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:08 pm

VIM is expanding to the East of Russia. There they will send most of 752 birds.
For their traditional charter routes B-717 taken at reasonable price appears to be a good choice.
SSJ is just starting production. Actually, Sukhoi plans big sell campaign only for 2012.
At this point Sukhoi is overwhelmed with its 200+ orders.
I assume that Boeing can make them B-717 sooner. I love DC/MD/B-717 birds!
 
TrijetsRMissed
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:15 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:42 pm

If the MD-88 and MD-90 flight-deck upgrades are carried out, DL could conceivably have pilots cross-trained across four DC-9 rating sub-types. (MD-88/ex-SV MD-90/legacy MD-90/717). Given Anderson's astute business sense, I'm sure this was under consideration at one time or another.

Quoting TSS (Reply 31):
From what I've read on here, the Saudia MD-90s were specially built to share a common cockpit rating with the MD-11. They are different from both 717s and other MD-90s, though to what extent and in what specific ways I don't know, hence their "oddball" status. A while back there was a thread about the possibility of DL updating the cockpits of their existing MD-90s, and in that thread I was informed that the 717 cockpit was the most up-to-date of any DC-9 descendent, thus the 717 cockpit would be the likely standard to which the MD-90s would be upgraded because it is already approved for that general aircraft type.

   This is correct. However, as FlyASAGuy2005 pointed out, the original full glass MD-90 design precedes the development of the MD-95 (717) and was based on commonality with the MD-11. The SV flight-deck is circa 1993, while the 717 is 1998. The 717 flight-deck includes approx a dozen upgrade mods, including the use of LCDs - the original MD-90 glass cockpit had CRTs. Even though the types pass the naked eye test, there are some differences. But I imagine the cross training needed would be marginal.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 36):
Yes, it may be VIM Airlines (Moscow, Russia).
I have no idea where the negotiations are.
But they are hiring pilots for Boeing-717.

Is VIM hiring pilots with 717 experience or glass-cockpit experience, which may include a 717 assignment after hire? There is a difference here, not just semantics.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 40):
Sure it makes more sense. But is it as fun a rumor? Hardly...

Indeed.  
There's nothing quite like a trijet.
 
User avatar
HA_DC9
Posts: 563
Joined: Thu Jul 15, 1999 3:16 pm

RE: Who Took The 717's Boeing Was Offering?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:59 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 36):
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 24):

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
One went to MIA today. One of MX's or Midwests?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SXA861

Well technically they were all Midwest aircraft at one point. I did drive by VCV yesterday (Sunday) on my way home from work and saw that N922ME was already completely painted in HA colors, nice looking airplane

N922ME is the first of the three. Looks like it will be registered as N491HA. According to the HNL Rarebirds blog, it is in MIA for prep work probably interior fittings. On a side note, this aircraft does not have the older "eyebrow" windows so this aircraft will be kind of unique for HA and aircraft spotters as all of the other HA 717's have the "eyebrow" windows.

Who is online