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Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:00 pm

Are all the newly built and "waiting for delivery" 787's stored in and around Everett? One unnamed source said that some were stored in Texas.....I know that 35 frames does take a lot of room---but Texas as a storage area?
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:10 pm

Two aircraft are currently at SAT for change incorporation and rework:

ZA177 - Japan Airlines
ZA233 - Air India

See: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2011/08/787-production-update.html#links
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:14 pm

Quoting n471wn (Thread starter):
One unnamed source said that some were stored in Texas.....I know that 35 frames does take a lot of room---but Texas as a storage area?

To build on mdword1959's reply, Boeing has always planned to have the 787 and 747-8 test frames sent to Port San Antonio to have their testing equipment removed and be brought up to customer delivery specification. With PAE so busy with customer re-work, additional production frames are being sent to Port San Antonio to be prepared for customer delivery.

[Edited 2011-08-23 11:45:47]
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 1):
Two aircraft are currently at SAT

Not to nitpick, but the link you provided (thanks for that, BTW) lists the two aircraft as being at Lackland AFB in San Antonio and not SAT (San Antonio International). Is that accurate? If so I'm a bit surprised; I'd have expected the 2 787 frames to be at SAT for there's a lot of MRO work done there.
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:47 pm

Quoting Western727 (Reply 3):
Not to nitpick, but the link you provided (thanks for that, BTW) lists the two aircraft as being at Lackland AFB in San Antonio and not SAT (San Antonio International). Is that accurate?

Boeing facility is at Port San Antonio at Kelly Field (SKF). So it's in San Antonio, Texas, but not at San Antonio International (SAT).

http://www.portsanantonio.us/Webpages.asp?wpid=309

[Edited 2011-08-23 11:47:28]
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:14 am

Most of the 787s that have left the factory have not flown and thus are stored at KPAE.

Some are stored just south of the Future of Flight Center, some are stored on taxiway A, some on the south ramp, some by the control tower, some in the ATS "pit" and some on the Boeing ramp. (see: http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/PAE/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM/pdf)

I have pictures of three in the ATS pit in the db and one more in the queue:

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On Thursday afternoon I finally snagged one (Royal Air Maroc) by the control tower and on Sunday morning, I shot three on taxiway A, which are all in the queue.

There are also a lot of 747-8Fs and a few 747-8is on taxiway A, by the control tower and on the Boeing ramp. I got good shots of several -8Fs on taxiway A on Sunday morning.
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:26 am

Do you mean RWY 11/29? TWY A parallels Rwy 34L/16R and is the main taxiway for aircraft using that runway.

There are 32 787s around PAE, and about 20 747-8s

They shuffle around quite a bit, but there are usually 10 or so aircraft on RWY11/29, 6 at Kilo North (By Future of Flight), 3-4 on the ramp by the tower, 3-4 outside ATS Hangar 3 and 4-5 in ATS Hangar 3. The rest are on the Boeing ramp, in the factory/paint hangars, in San Antonio for work (2 787s and 3 or 4 747s) or flight testing out of BFI.
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:41 am

My mistake - they are on runway 11/29, not taxiway A.
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:20 am

Thanx to Stich for correcting my earlier mistake about the IATA code for Kelly/Lackland (Port of San Antonio).

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
They shuffle around quite a bit...at Kilo North (By Future of Flight)

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1017483

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
3-4 on the ramp by the tower

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1041875

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
The rest are on the Boeing ramp, in the factory/paint hangars

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1045239

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
or flight testing out of BFI

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1015972
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:24 pm

Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:44 pm

Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

It was painted well before their switch to the new color scheme. They will be repainted into the current JAL scheme before delivery.
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

Back when it was painted, this was the current livery.
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:10 pm

Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

Because God smiled down upon the aviation enthusiasts of the world, and said, "You deserve to see at least one of the beautiful 787s in the proper, attractive livery of JAL before all of their aircraft get transformed into the ugly color scheme that looks like a temporary wet lease. Enjoy, my children."

  
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:08 pm

Just a quick add on question. When are we going to start seeing frames roll out at the Charleston facility? I'm guessing we'll see some "stored" there too once they start rolling off the line.
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting caetravlr (Reply 13):
Just a quick add on question. When are we going to start seeing frames roll out at the Charleston facility? I'm guessing we'll see some "stored" there too once they start rolling off the line.

Funny you should ask - this from today's Seattle Times.
I would think that once the type certificate comes through - and since Charleston is just coming on line - there will not be too much storage. Just the typical needs of an active line.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...scboeingplant.html?syndication=rss
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 11):
Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

Back when it was painted, this was the current livery.

In situations like this, will the a/c be delivered in that livery, or is Boeing obligated to repaint it?
 
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 15):
In situations like this, will the a/c be delivered in that livery, or is Boeing obligated to repaint it?

It's totally up to the customer; I'm sure Boeing will do whatever JAL requests.

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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:51 pm

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 8):


Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
They shuffle around quite a bit...at Kilo North (By Future of Flight)


What's up with that apron?
Is that all muddy?
Is Boeing building something over there?

They could store a few more planes if they would finish off that apron, couldn't they?

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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:36 am

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 17):
What's up with that apron?
Is that all muddy?
Is Boeing building something over there?

They could store a few more planes if they would finish off that apron, couldn't they?

One of the locals could probably update, but based on the Feb 15, 2011 photo date, maybe they held off pouring concrete over the winter, and perhaps it is complete now.

With concrete installation total installed cost at $2,000 or so per cubic meter if it was me, I'd only pour the sections where the wheels sat, not where the wings overlapped.

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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:09 am

Quoting alevik (Reply 18):

One of the locals could probably update, but based on the Feb 15, 2011 photo date, maybe they held off pouring concrete over the winter, and perhaps it is complete now.

It is still a rather new expansion of the airport. I believe Boeing is only leasing it temporarily. I think the county wants to expand the airport in that area. It hasn't changed any since that photo, except I there is grass growing now.
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RE: Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?

Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:42 pm

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 19):
I believe Boeing is only leasing it temporarily.

If assembly and deliveries of the 748 & 787 proceeed as planned over the next year, it's likely only the main Boeing Ramp area will be necessary to amply accommodate the normal tempo of production at Boeing-Everett.

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1027726

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