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Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:49 am

Today Inerjet applied with DOT for the temporary authority to operate from Mexico City to Miami, New York City and San Antonio.

If Mexicana re-starts service on these routes, then Interjet must forfeit the authorities back to Mexicana.
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:11 am

SAT could be a candidate for the Superjet  
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:02 am

No kidding. That's why they ordered SSJ-100 and SSJ-100LR.
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:26 pm

About time Interjet decides to jump on Mexico-USA market. Three good routes to request. Now we know why DGAC denied VivaAerobus MEX-SAT and MEX-MIA, Interjet jumped in before they did.
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

MEX-JFK? Its about time. I have been waiting for this for weeks already. Im looking forward to seeing them here.
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:55 pm

Quoting N623JB (Reply 4):
MEX-JFK? Its about time

It can be either EWR or JFK, since on their application it just says New York City. The airline doesn't specify which airport they will be flying to but most likely it will be JFK.
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:04 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 5):

I agree that it will most likely be JFK, because Mexicana came to JFK when they were flying to "NYC". So my guesses are with JFK.
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:05 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 2):
That's why they ordered SSJ-100 and SSJ-100LR.

Will Interjet still take delivery of the SSJ's considering that their IPO did not happen?
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:11 pm

I am sorry. What IPO is supposed to mean?
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:24 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 8):

I believe IPO stands for Initial Public Offering.
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:44 pm

As far as I know InterJet order is finalized and first 2 aircraft will be delivered in 2012.
I would consider it a priority order as it is the first one in America.
I even suggested on a Russian forum to paint the machine going to MEX for high altitude tests in InterJet colors.
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:19 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 10):
As far as I know InterJet order is finalized and first 2 aircraft will be delivered in 2012.
I would consider it a priority order as it is the first one in America.
I even suggested on a Russian forum to paint the machine going to MEX for high altitude tests in InterJet colors.

The thing is that the proceeds that Interjet was going to receive from the primary portion of its initial public offering were going to be used for purposes of paying for these birds. Since the offering did not happen, Interjet is not receiving fresh cash in the form of equity contributions, and therefore might not have the money to pay for the SSJs. Of course it could use cash on hand (if it has enough), defer the deliveries, take a loan or do a sale-and-leaseback deal, but that is another story.
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:54 pm

Thanks for updating, Eddie.
And why IPO didn't happen? And what is the financial state and prospects of the airline?
Here in Russia we obviously see a simplified picture: Mexicana is out of business - more opportunities for InterJet.
But we have no idea what financial group(s)/individuals are behind.
 
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:14 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 3):
About time Interjet decides to jump on Mexico-USA market.

They applied for some (different) Mexico-USA routes over three years ago.

InterJet Applies For US Routes (by LatinAviation Jun 20 2008 in Civil Aviation)

I can't remember if they were approved or not, but at any rate, I don't think they started any of the routes they applied for back in 2008.

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Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:26 pm

The docket number for this is OST-2011-0159

Interjet request per Mexican DGAC notice is for 1-year temporary route authority on the routes or until such time the Mexicana BK case is resolved and either MX resumes service, or the authorities are freed up for official reallocation by DGAC.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 13):
I can't remember if they were approved or not, but at any rate, I don't think they started any of the routes they applied for back in 2008.

Indeed they were. More specifically they hold authority to serve the following markets but have failed to act.

Toluca, Mexico - Ontario, California
Toluca, Mexico - Houston, Texas
Toluca, Mexico - San Antonio, Texas
Guadalajara, Mexico - Houston, Texas
Monterrey, Mexico - Houston, Texas.
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:55 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
And why IPO didn't happen?

Pricing. And that markets are very turbulent. Plus, I personally think they made a poor choice of domestic bookrunners.

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
And what is the financial state and prospects of the airline?

In my uneducated opinion, I'd say their prospects are good. Their domestic market share is growing very nicely, and they seem to have positioned themselves very well in the market thanks to their generous seat pitch, and the free beer and snacks on board. As for their financial state, I never had time to read the MD&A in the prospectus and the financial statements, but I understand from other a.netters that Interjet is profitable.
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:08 pm

Thanks, Eddie.
There was some slots swap for 2012-2013 which we here could not explain.
I can imagine that InterJet could delay delivery. But there were no leaks from Sukhoi.
 
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:20 am

I think I have read here that AM's US/Canadian operation isn't profitable, so I hope that NYC and MIA work well for Interjet if they get approval and decide to act on it. They have so far been very cautious about expanding beyond Mexico. Any info on how GUA and HAV are doing for them?

How about Volaris? It is believed to be in good financial shape also?
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:50 am

Quoting DavidCA (Reply 17):
I think I have read here that AM's US/Canadian operation isn't profitable

Correct. AM breaks up its revenues, profits, load factors, number of pax, etc. by region, and U.S./Canada are in the red. However, income soared from H1 2010 to H1 2011 (probably due to MX's demise), and the losses narrowed a lot. Hopefully this trend will continue and soon they will be at breakeven and eventually make profits. The DL alliance should help.

Quoting DavidCA (Reply 17):
How about Volaris? It is believed to be in good financial shape also?

No idea. Volaris is not required to disclose its results and financial information to the public, so there is no way of knowing.
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:52 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 12):
And why IPO didn't happen? And what is the financial state and prospects of the airline?
Here in Russia we obviously see a simplified picture: Mexicana is out of business - more opportunities for InterJet.
But we have no idea what financial group(s)/individuals are behind.

A syndicated loan is underway to meet cash shortages. When the IPO was launched, the company had only 30M in cash and debt with short maturity, requiring payment within the year.

According to Reuters, investors feared the incorporation of the Sukhoi's because operations would turn complex, citing (non) commonality with current 320s planes as the issue of concern:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/.../30/interjet-idUSN1E75T1AC20110630

Perhaps, that's the reason they differed some deliveries into 2013? What was the original plan?

Regards...

[Edited 2011-08-25 07:21:47]
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:13 pm

The start of deliveries was supposed to be in 2012.
The argument of commonality is always useful - but not always right.
A-319 compared to SSJ-100 is too heavy, too expensive and consumes more fuel.
 
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:45 pm

In the meantime the second Aeroflot SSJ was delivered.
I think they would look great in InterJet colors!

 
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:49 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 21):

I wonder what the Sukhoi equivalent would be? the E190? It reminds me of a E190. It does look smaller than a A320.
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:13 pm

The closest equivalent is really E-190.
But SSJ features 2+3 seating (18.2" at 32") and 8% fuel economy.

 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:16 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 23):

No offense to the seating, but it looks uneven lol.
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:28 pm

It's an old picture I had here on site. It was in testing...
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RE: Interjet Applies For MEX-MIA/NYC/SAT

Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:44 pm

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 25):

I hope they make it 3 -3 seating and not 3-2 seating.(uneven)
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:17 am

Quoting N623JB (Reply 26):
I hope they make it 3 -3 seating and not 3-2 seating.(uneven)

For starters, 3-3 would not fit inside the SSJ fuselage.

Second, why do you want a less comfortable seating config? The great thing about Mad Dogs, Jumbolinos (at least the SN and LX ones), and now the SSJs is that the 2-3 config gives fliers a lot of flexibility.

If you are flying without companions, you can get a seat on the "2" side and you get either aisle or window, which is great. If that fails, you may still have chance to get the aisle seat on the "3" side.

If you fly with one companion, you can both take seats on the "2" side, be together and not share the row with an unknown pax.

If you fly with two companions, you can take seats on the "3" side, be together and not share the row with an unknown pax.

There are less middle seats than in a typical 3-3 cabin.

I personally like the 2-3 arrangement quite a bit.
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