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Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:40 am

Released today, 24 August 2011:

"HELSINKI: Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, now Finland’s newest airline following the completion of its joint acquisition with Finnair of Finnish Commuter Airlines (Finncomm) on August 18th, is today announcing its new route network. It features a total of 24 regional routes offering a choice of up to 416 flights a week. This includes ALL existing routes previously operated by Finncomm together with the addition of nine brand new routes."

The nine new routes are as follows:

Helsinki -- Mariehamn, Aland (2xdaily)
Helsinki – Tartu, Estonia (6 per week)
Helsinki – Trondheim, Norway (4 per week)
Helsinki – Umea, Sweden (4 per week)
Tampere – Tallinn, Estonia (3xdaily)
Turku – Tallinn* (2x daily)
Vaasa – Tallinn* (6 per week)
Oulu – Tallinn* (6 per week)
Tallinn – Stockholm Bromma, Sweden (3xdaily)

*Flights start November 14th

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Fleet Status:

This winter the Flybe fleet is expected to look like this, accounting for the aircraft being sold to Rand Merchant Bank of Johannesburg for immediate lease to South African Express.

Q400: x51
E75: x4
E95: x14

ATR 42: x4
ATR 72: x9
E70: x2 (lsf Finnair)

The new routes mean that the airline will operate an additional 96 flights each week, with this in mind, can we see any fleet additions to the Flybe Nordic fleet. Maybe the introduction of the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400, transferred/operated by Flybe UK? I had also expected that we'd start to see some linking of the two operations, maybe a Manchester-Helsinki service or similar. Either way, it's great news the airline is expanding and that we've finally had some more news regarding the Flybe Nordic operation. Hopefully re-branding will commence soon.

Sources:
Flybe.com
Planespotters.net
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:39 am

Great to see Trondheim there and so many new routes to Estonia. The new connections to Sweden feed AY nicely. Hopefully they will open new routes to Denmark soon, as planned.

From AY press release:

"The deal by which Flybe Nordic acquired Finnish Commuter Airlines was finalised earlier in August. Flybe owns 60% of Flybe Nordic and Finnair 40%.

The new routes, which will also be included in Finnair’s flight schedules, will be flown as code-share flights. Finnair Plus customers can accumulate frequent-flyer points on the Flybe Nordic flights."

The new routes will also complement feeder traffic to Finnair’s international connections."

http://www.finnairgroup.com/en/index.html

[Edited 2011-08-24 04:08:00]
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:11 pm

Great news indeed. Finland has been oddly disconnected from Scandinavia until now.

I Hope they will expand their fleet soon, maybe more E170's? Also the CEO of the new company, Mike Rutter, said in Kauppalehti that they will hire 100-125 new employees in Finland and also said that they'll get decent contracts as opposed to the kinds FR and DY do.

But the news isn't all good, it seems the have streamlined their on board service to match the mother company meaning it's BOB now. This also means that their flights will have dedicated seats and economy plus class. But as the flights will be so short it won't matter IMO. I kind of like their current livery but if it has to go so be it. Just hope they won't put the awful red uniforms on their crew.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:15 pm

I'm excited but a bit worried with TMP-TLL 3 x daily. Will they have the passengers? They won't have much connections at either end and gotta remember that BT started TMP-RIX 2 x daily and they do have good connections from Riga. I'm not usually right but I could see also FR starting TMP-TLL.
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:04 pm

Meanwhile, good to see that flyBe.fi is now open for business:

http://fi.flybe.com/

EDIT: and, as a quick PS, the first chance to see a (model) of the ATR in FlyBe colours, around 0:29 into today's report on YLE News:

http://areena.yle.fi/video/1314209085906

[Edited 2011-08-24 14:12:47]
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:26 am

Pretty good stuff. How long until FlyBE has to re-brand to reflect their more euro/Scandinavian presence? The ATR looks great in the FlyBE colours IMHO.
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:16 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
Q400: x51
E75: x4
E95: x14

ATR 42: x4
ATR 72: x9
E70: x2 (lsf Finnair)

Have there been any announcements as far as fleet planning is concerned? What will happen to the ATR's, which have now become the "odd" aircraft in the fleet?
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:39 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 6):
Have there been any announcements as far as fleet planning is concerned? What will happen to the ATR's, which have now become the "odd" aircraft in the fleet?

Their CEO said in an interview that four additional would be brought in to Finland. To "brought in"-part would imply that they already exist and perhaps would be transferred from Flybe UK. To answer your question, I think ATR's will stay because Finnair has bought them from Finncomm and said it would lease them to the new company.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:24 pm

Quoting ilari (Reply 3):

I'm excited but a bit worried with TMP-TLL 3 x daily. Will they have the passengers? They won't have much connections at either end and gotta remember that BT started TMP-RIX 2 x daily and they do have good connections from Riga. I'm not usually right but I could see also FR starting TMP-TLL.

Well Tallinn-Turku 2x daily is a bit surprise as well, especially taking into account that no connections like TMP-TLL-BMA
or TKU-TLL-BMA are possible. Most probably they target point to point market. Looks like some aircrafts will be based in TLL?

Even if FR will start TMP-TLL how low price may be including all taxes and charges?

It is nice that Tartu got 6x weekly flights. But I was expecting at least one or two morning flights.

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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:53 am

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 8):
Looks like some aircrafts will be based in TLL?

Yeah, at least at TMP and OUL they only seem to have a 20 min turn over.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:28 am

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 8):
Looks like some aircrafts will be based in TLL?

According to the FlightForum.fi two ATR-72's will be based in TLL.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:19 am

Quoting HELyes (Reply 10):
According to the FlightForum.fi two ATR-72's will be based in TLL.

It means that they expect quite a lot of pax on TLL-TAM and TLL-TKU routs.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 5):
Pretty good stuff. How long until FlyBE has to re-brand to reflect their more euro/Scandinavian presence?

Well, given that BE has rebranded three times, from Jersey European to British European, FlyBe British European and finally just FlyBe, I'd guess that their current identity is intended to be strong enough across most countries and languages.

Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
I had also expected that we'd start to see some linking of the two operations, maybe a Manchester-Helsinki service or similar.

Since posting earlier, this thought has stuck with me as well. To all intents and purposes, FlyBe Nordic is isolated from its sister operation in the UK. While Finnair are unlikely to want any competition between their mainline operations and their new joint investment, perhaps one day BE will link it's regional hubs with HEL? Perhaps BHX, MAN or EDI, although I'm guessing that those would be pretty long flights for the Q400 (2-3hrs?)
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:32 pm

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 12):
Since posting earlier, this thought has stuck with me as well. To all intents and purposes, FlyBe Nordic is isolated from its sister operation in the UK. While Finnair are unlikely to want any competition between their mainline operations and their new joint investment, perhaps one day BE will link it's regional hubs with HEL? Perhaps BHX, MAN or EDI, although I'm guessing that those would be pretty long flights for the Q400 (2-3hrs?)

Taking into account that FlyBe Nordic is registered in Sweden, who knows how it will develop, also flight TLL-BMA is slightly out of scheme of connecting Helsinki with other destinations.
As to long flights on Q400, some companies do not afraid to use turboprops on longer routs. For example recently UTair started Moscow Vnukovo - Tallinn with ATR-72 flight time is more that 2hrs. But FlyBe has many Embraers which can be used to connect new market with their hubs... .

Regards,
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:01 pm

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 12):
Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
I had also expected that we'd start to see some linking of the two operations, maybe a Manchester-Helsinki service or similar.
Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 12):
perhaps one day BE will link it's regional hubs with HEL? Perhaps BHX, MAN or EDI, although I'm guessing that those would be pretty long flights for the Q400 (2-3hrs?)

BHX, MAN, EDI would sound cool, though Mike Rutter from BE said in Finnish media that they have no plans to open UK-Finland routes. I think the aircraft wouldn't necessarily be the problem, FlyBe Nordic have Embraer-170's, ex-AY inherited from FinnComm and probably more available from AY if needed.

Mike Rutter said they will open more routes next year, also St Petersburg in Russia was mentioned.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:39 am

Quoting HELyes (Reply 14):
also St Petersburg in Russia was mentioned.

From TMP, if I remember correctly. And TMP-OUL is also being planned.
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:46 am

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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:14 am

What about MAN, BHX or EDI -BMA
I think that it would not compete directly to AY own traffic?
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:26 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
Don't forget AY serve MAN-HEL themselves

AY have been willing to find feeders for their thinner routes especially, though the unions are not too happy for that.

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 17):
What about MAN, BHX or EDI -BMA
I think that it would not compete directly to AY own traffic?

Expanding in BMA and in Sweden generally sounds like a natural step, curious to see what will happen there... Probably they will stay inside the Nordic/Baltic region for a while though.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 18):
AY have been willing to find feeders for their thinner routes

Don't forget it's 2 daily? I wouldn't normally expect that to be in place for a thin route.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 19):
Don't forget it's 2 daily? I wouldn't normally expect that to be in place for a thin route.

I ment their Embraer-routes generally, AY already moved a couple of their E-170's to ex-FinnComm to cut the costs but the pilots were very much against the idea.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:36 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 19):
Don't forget it's 2 daily? I wouldn't normally expect that to be in place for a thin route.
AY needs to have two daily return flights to feed both "waves" to Asia. The morning one from HEL transports passengers arriving from their southeastern destinations to Europe and feeds the more northern Asian destinations with the return flight. The evening flight takes the passengers arriving from the Northern flights to Europe and feeds the southern ones with the return. It's pure nescesity and no indication of how "thin" the route actually is I'm afraid.

Having said this, I think it's no longer viable to have an aircraft based in the European city to operate those feeds since AY introduced the midnight "southern wave". Previously they trialed with Meridiana that they could replace those four flight with two (departing Europe for HEL to arrive at roughly 15.00 and take the passengers from the Asian flight arriving at that time to Europe) but this is obviously no longer possible.

[Edited 2011-08-29 06:37:22]
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:51 pm

The first ATR-72-500 in Flybe livery, will be based in TLL it seems:

http://www.flyfinland.fi/index.php?page=viewphoto&photoid=3470
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 22):
The first ATR-72-500 in Flybe livery, will be based in TLL it seems:

http://www.flyfinland.fi/index.php?p...=3470

Waw! "www.flybe.ee" they are serious about Estonian market! This is nice.

Took a look on timetable for TLL-BMA flights.
It looks like one ATR-72 will be based in Bromma, or at least will spend night there. Anyway I do not get to morning flights from BMA to TLL first at 7:00 second 9:50 and then one evening flight. Why no afternoon flight? Also TLL is the only distention from BMA for FlyBe Nordic... .
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:25 pm

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 23):
Also TLL is the only distention from BMA for FlyBe Nordic... .

AY probably is tempeted to leave the HEL-BMA route for Flybe Nordic... Anyway, we will see more new routes next spring they say.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:27 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 24):

Well...They have to sell the FlyBe Nordic to the swedish public. Finnair is very popular and well known brand in Sweden. FlyBe is unknown...
I also wonder about their plans at Bromma? The airport is heavily slot restricted and focused on domestic routes in Sweden. Kind of hoping they had chosen ARN instead. Anyhow....Good luck to them.
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:58 pm

Quoting F28 (Reply 25):
Well...They have to sell the FlyBe Nordic to the swedish public. Finnair is very popular and well known brand in Sweden. FlyBe is unknown...

Same in Finland, FlyBe is unknown and the big public don't know the link to AY. FlyBe Nordic advertise a lot in Finland already though. Sweden is very important market for AY so you would think they don't let this deal harm their image there.
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 26):
Same in Finland, FlyBe is unknown and the big public don't know the link to AY. FlyBe Nordic advertise a lot in Finland already though. Sweden is very important market for AY so you would think they don't let this deal harm their image there.

Fore sure there has to come a lot of advertising in both Sweden and Finland.
But still....I will be very suprised if FlyBe starts more routes out of BMA? Isn´t their main purpose feeding HEL? Not starting direct routes who competes with their home base so to speak.

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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:37 pm

Quoting F28 (Reply 27):
Isn´t their main purpose feeding HEL?

Yes feeding HEL but also to provide point-to-point connections. They have said they want to become a significant regional player in the Nordic/Baltic region. They probably want to expand in Sweden too.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:51 pm

Im guessing that the E195 in the video G-FBEM, was bringing the FlyBe officials up to Finland for the conference? Or was it more for the media?

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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:15 am

Quoting F28 (Reply 27):
Fore sure there has to come a lot of advertising in both Sweden and Finland.

As for now they will fly single point to point route out of Sweden and this is Tallinn.

Quoting F28 (Reply 27):
ut still....I will be very suprised if FlyBe starts more routes out of BMA? Isn´t their main purpose feeding HEL? Not starting direct routes who competes with their home base so to speak.

What is the reason then for registration company in Sweden?

I do not see any contradiction with enlarging operations in Sweden and Norway out of BMA. All routs north, west and south out of BMA would not directly compete with AY own traffic or with FlyBe traffic out of HEL. Even connecting PAX from TLL via BMA to destinations in Sweden and Norway will not reduce loads from TLL via HEL but will more compete with SK and OV.

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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:11 pm

Quoting virginson937 (Reply 29):
Im guessing that the E195 in the video G-FBEM, was bringing the FlyBe officials up to Finland for the conference? Or was it more for the media?

Both.
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:09 pm

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 5):
How long until FlyBE has to re-brand to reflect their more euro/Scandinavian presence?

no need to rebrand.... flybe is the rebrand from British European.

Wonder if we'll see BE codeshare on AY operated UK-HEL services from LHR and MAN. At MAN it would make sense as a BE hub. Likewise could we see BE operated flights to HEL with AY codeshare from other BE hubs at BHX, EXE, LGW and/or SOU. Would be great for AY to connect it's Asia services to/from more of the UK regions (or would this upset BA too much?)

With BA holding shares in BE and the JV with AY - taking things a step further could this be the start of BE getting closer to OW alliance?
 
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:46 pm

This is all excellent news and the fares on their website are really low. I am tempted to book a flight just for the sake of it. Anybody has any idea how this will effect Air Aland, the little local airline from Mariehamn? Will they keep flying? Must be hard for them to match Flybe´s fares...
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RE: Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes

Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:24 pm

Quoting airevents (Reply 33):
Anybody has any idea how this will effect Air Aland, the little local airline from Mariehamn? Will they keep flying?

I really hope cute Air Aland Saab-340 keeps flying... On the MHQ-HEL route they will compete with FlyBe ATR-42 now but MHQ-ARN is all theirs still. The Mariehamn route wasn't really expected from Flybe Nordic.
 
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Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:15 am

The first ex-FinnComm ATR-72 in Flybe colors, looks good:

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