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Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:42 pm

So NH will get the 1st 787, which airline gets the next and when?

Will UA be the first North American airline?
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
So NH will get the 1st 787, which airline gets the next and when?

JL. Their first delivery is being prepared in San Antonio.

AI and CZ may also see their first deliveries in 2011.



Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
Will UA be the first North American airline?

Should be.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:51 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
JL. Their first delivery is being prepared in San Antonio.

Awesome! That's the plane that will fly to NRT from BOS! I can't wait to see it!
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:54 pm

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
Will UA be the first North American airline?
Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Should be.

Sort of amazing how things come full circle. UA again gets to be the first U.S. operator of an all-new Boeing type.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:58 pm

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 3):
UA again gets to be the first U.S. operator of an all-new Boeing type.

And, if plans stay as they are, they'll fly it to AKL - yahoo!

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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:10 pm

Now that the date of the delivery is known, has Boeing given any indication of how many 787s it plans to deliver this year. I thought I read a figure of about 25, which seems a tad high, given that the first delivery is in late September.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:30 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
has Boeing given any indication of how many 787s it plans to deliver this year. I thought I read a figure of about 25, which seems a tad high, given that the first delivery is in late September.

I believe the latest word from Boeing was rather hazy as both 788 and 748's delivery guidance are combined.
This from Flightblogger back in late July:

"the 787 and 747-8 2011 delivery guidance has been cut by 10 from 25-40 to 25-30 combined units. The airframer gave no initial indication of how the units would be split between the types, but if previous reporting and analyst estimates are accurate, it will be heavily weighted toward 747.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...oeing-lowers-787-and-747-8-de.html

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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:35 am

I would expect only those 787s that are flying by the end of next month will be "deliverable" in 2011 between the time needed to finish them, holidays in the US and the ability of customers to take delivery and integrate into their own fleets during the Holidays.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:51 pm

How long do carriers usually take from when they are handed the keys, until the plane enters service? Especially with a new type for the carrier, and maybe even the airlines country?
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:04 pm

Well, didn't Boeing have quite a few frames built and sitting waiting for certification so they can be fitted and the deliveries fast tracked to the customers?
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:35 pm

Driving by ORD on the I90 eastbound I saw a billboard with an ANA 787 on it and the slogan was Boeing 787 "we fly it first" . Are there any plans to downgrade the 77W daily to a 787? Or is this just a random advert?
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:00 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 8):
Well, didn't Boeing have quite a few frames built and sitting waiting for certification so they can be fitted and the deliveries fast tracked to the customers?

Unfortunately, they're sitting around more because it's taking Boeing longer than planned to make them ready for delivery than a strategic "pre-positioning".



Quoting _AA_777_MAN (Reply 10):
Driving by ORD on the I90 eastbound I saw a billboard with an ANA 787 on it and the slogan was Boeing 787 "we fly it first" . Are there any plans to downgrade the 77W daily to a 787? Or is this just a random advert?

The first international 787 route for NH will be HND-FRA. I'm not sure if they can fly to ORD under the restricted operator's ETOPS certificate the Japanese Aviation Authorities will impose on them for the first year of service. Then again, JL can make BOS with the same certificate, so...
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:26 pm

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 3):
Sort of amazing how things come full circle. UA again gets to be the first U.S. operator of an all-new Boeing type.

Question.. is that UA by-way-of-COA or UA original?
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:33 pm

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 12):

CO AFAIK, but who cares. Hoping to see UA metal back in NZ really soon
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:28 pm

Anyone know when HU (Hainan) is supposed to get theirs? They want to launch BOS-PEK and they are waiting for the 787 to do so.
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:40 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 8):

How long do carriers usually take from when they are handed the keys, until the plane enters service?

For a brand new type, 3-4 weeks is pretty normal. For an addition to an existing fleet, a week or less.

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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:44 pm

Will they fly the UA 787s domestically at first for a bit for crew training etc? It seems to me when the U.S. airlines got the 777s at first they flew them domestically for a bit before they put them on international routes.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:02 am

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 6):
"the 787 and 747-8 2011 delivery guidance has been cut by 10 from 25-40 to 25-30 combined units. The airframer gave no initial indication of how the units would be split between the types, but if previous reporting and analyst estimates are accurate, it will be heavily weighted toward 747.

as per http://www.aspireaviation.com/blog/ only seven 787s in 2011.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:44 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
Will they fly the UA 787s domestically at first for a bit for crew training etc?

Operating to Hiroshima and somewhere else within Japan I can't remember off the top of my head, then to PVG in the domestic configuration that the first frame is in, then to FRA early next year once they've received a few more deliveries.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:05 am

Re InsideMan,

The link should be here:
http://www.aspireaviation.com/2011/0...m-becoming-reality-its-road-ahead/

The Z24 production plan states 7 Boeing 787s to be delivered to ANA, but my source also says the first 787-8s for JAL, Air India and China Southern Airlines will be delivered in late December.

That would make 10 787-8 deliveries at least.

The point is, given the heavy rework needed for early examples, it is very unlikely that Boeing will meet the late December targets for the JAL, Air India & China Southern.

The same Boeing source also says only 3 of the first 20 examples, LN7, 8 and 9 will be delivered & that other pre-LN20, rework-heavy examples are not likely to complete rework until mid-2012.

We welcome you to discuss this further on http://www.aspireaviation.com.

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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:59 pm

ZA177 has been in San Antonio since March doing change incorporation so I have to believe she's nearly ready. I would expect the main hang-up to delivery will be completing certification for the GEnx1B + 787 combination, as Boeing is still completing flight teasing and has yet to start ETOPS and F&R.
 
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:25 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
Operating to Hiroshima and somewhere else within Japan I can't remember off the top of my head, then to PVG in the domestic configuration that the first frame is in, then to FRA early next year once they've received a few more deliveries.

Inaccurate.
Five domestic Japanese routes are planned (not two):
Starting in November, Haneda - MYJ OKJ ITM UBJ HIJ will all be served successively, (not all simultaneously).

And its PEK, not PVG:
The HND-PEK route is to operate " ... approximately once a week [in December], until the Haneda-Frankfurt service starts the following month.".


http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/index_sm.html

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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:47 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
Will they fly the UA 787s domestically at first for a bit for crew training etc?

Operating to Hiroshima and somewhere else within Japan I can't remember off the top of my head, then to PVG in the domestic configuration that the first frame is in, then to FRA early next year once they've received a few more deliveries.

I think NASCARAirforce was asking about UA's 787s. I suppose they will first be deployed in some domestic routes for crew training before they are sent to AKL and LOS. It'd be interesting if they fly it to DFW or ATL to rub it in their competitors' faces.
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
It'd be interesting if they fly it to DFW or ATL to rub it in their competitors' faces.

MOre like they would use it on routes like IAH-EWR, EWR-SFO to get the ground crews at those stations used to handling it.
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RE: Who Gets The 787 After NH?

Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:26 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
I think NASCARAirforce was asking about UA's 787s. I suppose they will first be deployed in some domestic routes for crew training before they are sent to AKL and LOS. It'd be interesting if they fly it to DFW or ATL to rub it in their competitors' faces.

Reading back it seems you are totally correct! Don't know why I started talking about NH when the post says UA