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Boeing Board Weighs 737 Upgrade Next Week

Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:53 am

Bloomberg are reporting that the Boeing Board may approve the new 737 as early as the 29th and that there is strong demand for the model.

Boeing Co. (BA) has customers lined up for an upgrade of its best-selling 737 with more fuel-efficient engines as it awaits board approval for the project as soon as Aug. 29, the planemaker’s business-development chief said.

Demand should be similar to that for the new A320neo from Airbus SAS, Nicole Piasecki said today in an interview. Airbus decided in December to update its single-aisle jet with new engines and racked up more than 1,000 orders and commitments within seven months as airlines scrambled for production slots.

“We’re heavily engaged with customers across the world right now who are excited about the product,” Piasecki said. “A lot of our customers are going to want to get access to it as fast as possible. That dynamic will exist for us in the same way it existed for Airbus.”


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WN are widely expected to be official launch customer for the new variant and may announce in conjunction with Boeing BOD approval, or at a time of their choosing, I'll offer that as an opinion givven I can't provide a sourced link.

Interesting times for new orders this year and pleasing to see that we've so much activity and it's still August.
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RE: Boeing Board Weighs 737 Upgrade Next Week

Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:03 am

A couple hundred from WN and FR finally consummating their order for 200+ (NG and RE) would be a nice boost.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:03 am

Will be interesting to see how many orders they actually get in a short time compared to the Neo. I would hope more than WN/FR are interested.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:10 am

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 2):
Will be interesting to see how many orders they actually get in a short time compared to the Neo. I would hope more than WN/FR are interested.

I don't expect the flurry that the NEO got, but it should do alright. Of course, AA is already signed up (sort of), so you have:

AA
WN (likely)
FR (possible)

Who else?

AS
DL
UACO

others?

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Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:22 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Bloomberg are reporting that the Boeing Board may approve the new 737 as early as the 29th and that there is strong demand for the model.

The sooner the better I'd say, as the demand potential has been abundantly clear for a long time.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Demand should be similar to that for the new A320neo from Airbus SAS, Nicole Piasecki said today in an interview.

No surprise there...

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
“A lot of our customers are going to want to get access to it as fast as possible. That dynamic will exist for us in the same way it existed for Airbus.”

I must admit I can readily agree with the comments, but they do make you wonder what was happening in Boeing CA head-office for the last 12 months....   

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 2):
Will be interesting to see how many orders they actually get in a short time compared to the Neo

Indeed.

Mind you, I've got to wonder just how far Boeing will keep this charade going in their bid to "dupe" Airbus into launching the A320NEO. Gads, if they're not careful they'll actually end up with real orders for the "RE". I can't see that helping the elegant misdirection strategy they're supposedly engaged in  

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Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:28 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 3):
others?

Major lessors(with Leap as the only engine GECAS might jump onboard early)
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Qantas
All Nippon
any other major 737 operator

I'm more interested in the specs however and the EIS. Who will receive the 1st plane? Will EIS be 2016 or 2017? What will be the final fan diameter? Will they add any nifty bits of technology?
 
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RE: Boeing Board Weighs 737 Upgrade Next Week

Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:20 am

One point from the article that I found to be most interesting is the following;

Some customers with large numbers of current 737s on order may seek to convert those into contracts for the new version once it’s officially for sale, Piasecki said.

Is this a statement from Boeing that they will allow those carriers to make the conversion or will they take the same approach as Airbus, that is, no conversions of A320oeo to neo? It's one thing to say they may, another as to whether they are going to do it.

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Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:43 pm

Maybe OK for Boeing as long as the old version aircraft are already scheduled for delivery after the RE is in production and a decent top up order is made as well!
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:51 pm

How will boeing handle all those orders? Will a new assembly line have to be built?
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:57 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 4):
I must admit I can readily agree with the comments, but they do make you wonder what was happening in Boeing CA head-office for the last 12 months..

WADR 12?????? (only)!!!! And if Lightsaber is right (or ??even not awfully wrong one wonders), the LeapX is going to be a bit adrift of the GTF engined planes.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:01 pm

Wait a minute. Where did WN come from? I thought AA was going to be 1st in line.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:09 pm

My guess is that we'll see the 737 Next Generation offered with the CFM International LEAP-X engine, probably using the same "flattened bottom" engine nacelle design used on the 737-300/400/500 models so CFM could use a larger-diameter front fan for a lower fuel burn rate.
 
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RE: Boeing Board Weighs 737 Upgrade Next Week

Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:11 pm

So we all miss out on a 2-2-2 twin isle configured plane due to timing and Boeing's inability to react to the market. Kind of disappointing.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:47 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 4):
I must admit I can readily agree with the comments, but they do make you wonder what was happening in Boeing CA head-office for the last 12 months....   
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 12):
So we all miss out on a 2-2-2 twin isle configured plane due to timing and Boeing's inability to react to the market. Kind of disappointing.

Actually, I think Boeing is meeting the current market demand with the 737 Upgrade.

I believe that Boeing had fleshed out in good detail 2 potential versions of the 797 (narrow body and 2-2-2) and a 737 Upgrade, and presented the options to American Airlines (and some others). The customers chose which one they wanted - and right now that is the 737 Upgrade. I see nothing wrong with the process - or in Boeings thinking.

It may be that if AA (and others) had chosen to hold off purchasing for another year or two that the answer may have been different; but, I think Boeing got it right this time.

That does not mean that their is not a 797 in the works for later on. Just that the current airlines did not think that the premium of an all new 797 would offset the advantages of it at this time.

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Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:01 pm

If say AS bought the RE model of the 737 that has the longest range possible, would they be able to do ANC-NRT? I'm guessing not without severe penalties, but would that be a.potential reason AS could get in line for few then? Or maybe even MIA or EWR-ANC?
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:29 pm

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 13):
I believe that Boeing had fleshed out in good detail 2 potential versions of the 797 (narrow body and 2-2-2) and a 737 Upgrade, and presented the options to American Airlines (and some others). The customers chose which one they wanted - and right now that is the 737 Upgrade. I see nothing wrong with the process - or in Boeings thinking.

According to Albaugh himself, the 797 was pulled off the table not because of lack of demand but because Boeing couldn't figure out how to produce the aircraft at an acceptable rate in an acceptable time frame.
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:46 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 3):
FR (possible)

I don´t think it is that likely, if they already expect they same number of orders as airbus racked up for the NEO, why would they give FR the huge discount they probably would ask for. I expect Boeing to be much more clever than that. Especially since slots are going to be limited in the future, they do not want to make the same mistake as they did with the previous big FR order (having the production line blocked with those cheap frames). Maybe it does open the door for a large discount on the NG series for FR..
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:45 pm

I'll believe the big order hype when I see it. Until then, Boeing, stop messing around and start building the planes already! My goodness, talk about a management team that seems stuck in indecision. You have customers out there that need decisive action. Sure, you had a bit of a cash and engineering problem with the 787 and 747-8i, but you gotta get moving.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:54 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
Is this a statement from Boeing that they will allow those carriers to make the conversion or will they take the same approach as Airbus, that is, no conversions of A320oeo to neo? It's one thing to say they may, another as to whether they are going to do it.

I would expect the chances are directly proportional to the 737NG backlog.

Airbus' A320 Classic backlog ends right about the time the A320neo will start production, so if Airbus allowed conversions, they would end up with an underutilized FAL. Yes, Airbus have said they will build the Classic and neo together as necessary, but I honestly expect Classic production will end very soon after neo production begins.

With Boeing increasing production, I expect that if they have 737NG deliveries more than six months into 737RE deliveries, they will allow conversion (for a price, of course).



Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
How will boeing handle all those orders? Will a new assembly line have to be built?

Boeing's current two lines are designed for 22 units per month, so they can handle the new 42-frame rate. The third line, currently handling the P-8 military model, is capable of handling 22 a month, as well and P-8 production is significantly lower than that. So Boeing's existing three lines should be able to assemble 60 737NGs / 737REs per month.



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
(t)he LeapX is going to be a bit adrift of the GTF engined planes.

I expect that was always going to be the case. The GTF is a more advanced design.



Quoting ph-bfa (Reply 16):
I don´t think it is that likely, if they already expect they same number of orders as airbus racked up for the NEO, why would they give FR the huge discount they probably would ask for.

FR's hangup is not price. It's the ability to resell their 737NGs. That's going to be even more important to them now, since with the A320neo and 737RE coming on line, the "window of opportunity" to place 737NGs at a profit will shrink faster.



Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 17):
I'll believe the big order hype when I see it. Until then, Boeing, stop messing around and start building the planes already!

It would help if CFM would stop messing around and bring the LEAP-X engine to market in 2011 as opposed to the planned 2016.  
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:49 pm

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 5):
Will

According to one industry assessment of the engine's performance, the SFC improvement of a 66in fan places its SFC improvement around 13-14% over the 155cm (61in) CFM56-7B engine that powers the 737 today, and once integrated onto the aircraft would deliver a fuel burn benefit of 10-12%.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...engined-737-fan-size-decision.html
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:11 pm

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 12):
So we all miss out on a 2-2-2 twin isle configured plane due to timing and Boeing's inability to react to the market. Kind of disappointing.

I am convinced the 2-2-2 configuration was just a pipe dream. Seats make more money than aisles, and any trick to make the larger cross-section more efficient will work just as well with a smaller cross section. Therefore the 2-2-2 cross section will always fail in the face of the greater efficiency of a 3-3 cross section, no matter how much passengers may prefer it.
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:51 pm

there is nothing saying a 2-2-2 won't come out for a 797. Just for now this is what they feel is best.
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:04 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
Is this a statement from Boeing that they will allow those carriers to make the conversion or will they take the same approach as Airbus, that is, no conversions of A320oeo to neo?

It just might be the case with Boeing being just under a year latter in offering the 737 with a new engine, launching the plane represented less risk to its order backlog than it did for Airbus.

I think one question that needs to be answered is, will Boeing continue to offer NG's once the RE has been launched?

I would think the current one engine option for the 737 allows for a simplified supply chain and production process and therefore it might be in Boeing's interests to transfer as many orders with post RE entry into service delivery dates over to the new plane.

I'd also suggest allowing some operators of the 737 the option of converting existing orders to the RE could allow for a stronger business case for the RE in their fleets, thus resulting in a greater number of orders.
 
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Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:39 pm

Quoting travelhound (Reply 22):
I think one question that needs to be answered is, will Boeing continue to offer NG's once the RE has been launched?

There's no doubt they would. In the interim between the official RE launch and introduction, there will be plenty of NG delivery spots that open from normal cancellations and shuffling. Boeing would continue to market the airplane both to fill those spots and provide top-offs for customers who don't want to introduce the new engine type.

For historical reference, Boeing booked the last 737 Classic order in 1999 when the 737NG was introduced in 1998.

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 17):
Until then, Boeing, stop messing around and start building the planes already! My goodness, talk about a management team that seems stuck in indecision.

Take it easy. The consequences of this decision amount to billions of dollars. The cost of getting it wrong is worse than missing the early orders.
 
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WN should order 461 just to one-up AA  
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 14):
If say AS bought the RE model of the 737 that has the longest range possible, would they be able to do ANC-NRT? I'm guessing not without severe penalties, but would that be a.potential reason AS could get in line for few then? Or maybe even MIA or EWR-ANC?

AS has already said publicly they'd be interested in any new variants of the B737 but did not identify potential markets.
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 4):
Mind you, I've got to wonder just how far Boeing will keep this charade going in their bid to "dupe" Airbus into launching the A320NEO. Gads, if they're not careful they'll actually end up with real orders for the "RE". I can't see that helping the elegant misdirection strategy they're supposedly engaged in  

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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 25):

I am so glad AS is a 737 carrier and has no plans to change that, what I was wondering is there any potential variant of the RE that will have the legs to run a ANC-NRT or ANC-EWR or MIA route, and do it profitability?
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 27):
I was wondering is there any potential variant of the RE that will have the legs to run a ANC-NRT or ANC-EWR or MIA route

It should be more or less capable of the EWR, NRT routes (although NRT could already be too close to comfort to the range limit). No way in hell of doing MIA
(well, ANC-MIA could in theory be done with a 319NEO       )



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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 27):
I was wondering is there any potential variant of the RE that will have the legs to run a ANC-NRT or ANC-EWR or MIA route, and do it profitability?

Well the 737-700ER can do both missions quite comfortably now. I do not know what an AS 737-700 weighs empty, but using Boeing's OEM figure of 83,000 pounds it should be able to go out full eastbound and adding an extra 500nm distance westbound to account for winds, still go out with pax + bags and probably some cargo.

So with new engines and the 171,000 pound TOW, a 737-700ERRE should be able to go out full in both directions.
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:29 pm

Thanks Stitch, I knew I'd get my answer, I was almost sure there was a variant to do this. I guess time will tell if AS is ready to try trans Bering flying again. I personally think they could make some money doing ANC-NRT or even HND, even with less desirable slot times, due to relative short flight time and their 24 hour operation in ANC. Cargo capacity would of course be a large deciding factor for such a service.
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:48 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 30):
Cargo capacity would of course be a large deciding factor for such a service.

And that could be an issue, since I believe the 737-700ER would need two extra tanks for sufficient fuel load. It's a bit tough because Boeing doesn't have a payload-range chart for the 737-700ER, so I have to use the BBJ (which offers the same TOW and maximum fuel capacity).
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:56 pm

I am wodering if there is a possibility of an unexpected development at BOD meeting?
Or we all agree that it is a formal thing and they just rubber stamp -RE?
 
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Quoting pylon101 (Reply 32):
I am wodering if there is a possibility of an unexpected development at BOD meeting?
Or we all agree that it is a formal thing and they just rubber stamp -RE?

It is doubtful there would be an unexpected development. Almost all companies brief their boards on a regular basis and get inputs from directors on major decisions before they're formally presented.
 
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Quoting SEPilot (Reply 20):
I am convinced the 2-2-2 configuration was just a pipe dream.

  

The 797 will still happen, just much later than it would have without a 737RE. And it will be 3-3.   
 
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Quoting pylon101 (Reply 32):
I am wodering if there is a possibility of an unexpected development at BOD meeting?
Or we all agree that it is a formal thing and they just rubber stamp -RE?

Management would have briefed the Board of Directors on the various proposals and the Board likely has already green-lighted both the 737 Re-Engine and the NSA/797, with management to choose one to go forward.

Management's job (really Randy and the Sales Team's) has been to secure agreements from the customer base and now that they have secured those agreements for the 737RE (I am sure more than AA have privately signed on), the Board will now formally commit the company to that program and grant Authority to Offer so Randy and Co. can turn those agreements into MoUs and signed orders.
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:39 pm

Anyone know when the board meeting is expected today? And does anyone know when it is expected to finished and announced? Would be cool to certify one plane on friday. Launch a new program on monday  
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:51 pm

although Gol has being very conservative lately they will probably order it too
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:40 pm

Here is a new sources stating the same as Bloomberg.

http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2011...29/737re-up-at-boeing-board-today/

Leehman speculates that Boeing will do other changes than engine upgrades to match Airbus with their 15% lower fuelburn.
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:53 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 38):
Leehman speculates that Boeing will do other changes than engine upgrades to match Airbus with their 15% lower fuelburn.

Perhaps this could include 777-style windows, which should reduce weight.
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Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 39):
Perhaps this could include 777-style windows, which should reduce weight.

From a passenger perspective that would have been nice 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 40):
Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 39):
Perhaps this could include 777-style windows, which should reduce weight.

From a passenger perspective that would have been nice

But that would make it harder to build 737NG and 737RE on the same line, no?

Also 777 widebody windows may not scale down to narrowbody very well, perhaps?
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:26 pm

I believe he's talking about the style of window used, rather than part commonality. I can't recall the specifics, but the 777 uses a more modern, lighter window. It was added to the 764s.

My question is what would that mean for development costs? Slapping a while new window line on a 737 sounds pricey. Also, would that level of fuselage modification require a recert?
 
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RE: Boeing Board Weighs 737 Upgrade Next Week

Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:38 am

Looks like Boeing will provide more clarification on this Tuesday US time.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing...n-seen-rb-3643626259.html?x=0&.v=1
 
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Quoting Delimit (Reply 42):
Also, would that level of fuselage modification require a recert?

All changes to primary structure require recertification.

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Quoting oykie (Reply 38):
Leehman speculates that Boeing will do other changes than engine upgrades to match Airbus with their 15% lower fuelburn.

There is talk of incorporating laminar flow designs (see Flightblogger) but McNearney is on record as saying Boeing is best served to avoid mission creep (see the 747-8 program). Boeing has successfully found efficiencies through the decades to keep the 737 very competitive. Diminishing returns might keep many improvements out of the mix. Bigger windows would be nice, though....

I'm not convinced we will see something that matches NEO fuel burn directly, but rather something that gets the RE close enough to make other factors relevant to a buy decision (price, fleet commonality, delivery availability). Better yet if the project comes in cheaper than NEO.
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Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 43):
Looks like Boeing will provide more clarification on this Tuesday US time.

I am so looking forward to their clarification!   

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 45):
There is talk of incorporating laminar flow designs (see Flightblogger) but McNearney is on record as saying Boeing is best served to avoid mission creep (see the 747-8 program). Boeing has successfully found efficiencies through the decades to keep the 737 very competitive.

This he has stated several times. That means Lehman's hinting of a 787 style cockpit sound like a slim possibility. The only thing that we might see is 787 sized screens.

Avoiding mission creep will give us few, if any surprises when they announce the upgrade.
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Authority to Offer has been granted - Boeing Board Approves B737 Upgrade (by eaa3 Aug 30 2011 in Civil Aviation)

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