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QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:11 pm

Friday's QF8 from DFW to BNE diverted to NAN. The Qantas website shows that it spent 10 hours on the ground at NAN before continuing to BNE. Can anyone explain what happened? There have been previous problems with QF8 diversions where the crew went out of hours.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:37 pm

10 hours? I hope they let the pax off the plane. Maybe the wont have as many diversions when DFW cools off this fall.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:39 pm

There have been several diversions going westbound due to low fuel caused by prevailing headwinds. That is one reason why QF8 is not scheduled non-stop Sydney in that direction, with instead a stop at Melbourne.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:42 pm

Quoting mountain (Reply 2):
, with instead a stop at Melbourne.

Does'nt it stop in BNE not MEL?
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:55 pm

Yes BNE. MEL wouldn't make much sense.

What are the extra costs for these diversion? Would it impact the profitability of this route (enoug to ditch it)?
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:56 pm

The diversion to Nadi was due to the ned to refuel. However, the crew went over-hours and a new set of crew from the SYD base had to come in.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:04 pm

10 hours does seem like an awful long time.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:21 pm

If Qantas knows westbound will have fuel issues getting even to Brisbane, one would think it would have a designated stop ready and waiting, with crew dispatch expedited.

Does the entire crew get replaced or just the pilots?
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:42 pm

They need to cut the AKL-LAX route, and make QF8 DFW-AKL-SYD.
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:50 pm

The DFW to Brisbane flight is almost 16 hours, with ALL the computer systems a 747-400ER has they must know if they have to stop hours before the get to Fiji. QF should be able to get a crew from Sydney to Nadi by the time the DFW flights gets to Nadi. 10 hours is just ridiculous to make pasengers wait.
 
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Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:03 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 8):
They need to cut the AKL-LAX route, and make QF8 DFW-AKL-SYD.

I AKL-LAX should still be viable (perhaps 5x week) with A332. But as I have said all along DFW should be via AKL... allows for good connections from MEL, SYD and well even though its a backtrack somewhat from BNE, those pax have to when flying to DFW anyway.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:10 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
The DFW to Brisbane flight is almost 16 hours, with ALL the computer systems a 747-400ER has they must know if they have to stop hours before the get to Fiji.

ALL the computer systems the 747-400ER has are the same as a 737 or an A330 or an EMB-190.

You get a forecast of the weather at the start of the flight and on a 16 hour flight, things can change.

If they left DFW with a full load of fuel and the winds were significantly more than forecast then there was nothing they could have done.

You might have an inkling that a diversion is possible hours prior but the decision to divert is not for another few hours.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
If Qantas knows westbound will have fuel issues getting even to Brisbane, one would think it would have a designated stop ready and waiting, with crew dispatch expedited.

Not the if the diversion is not planned. It is usually decided at a time that would make your sceaniro not palusible. Actually, given the time when the decision to divert was probalbly taken, 10 hrs is not bad to get a crew to Nadi and take over the plane.

On a related note, I assume the out of time crew deadheads on the same plane?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
The DFW to Brisbane flight is almost 16 hours, with ALL the computer systems a 747-400ER has they must know if they have to stop hours before the get to Fiji. QF should be able to get a crew from Sydney to Nadi by the time the DFW flights gets to Nadi.

No, the weather is not as predictable as you might think, and ALL the computers of the 747-400ER are still not Artificial Intelligence grade, so no, they can´t exactly predict how the headwinds will eventually turn out to be en route.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:45 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
Does the entire crew get replaced or just the pilots?

My understanding is that just the pilots would be replaced because:

1) Only legal requirement is for pilots. There is no law stating that the cabin crew can only be in the air for so long (apart from labour laws).

2) The cost of shipping out an entirely new cabin crew for a B747 would be exorbitant. It would be more feasible to just pay the existing cabin crew the overtime.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:37 pm

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 11):
If they left DFW with a full load of fuel and the winds were significantly more than forecast then there was nothing they could have done

I realize weather changes enroute, the fuel load when they left DFW may have been enough for the takeoff forcast but the pilots had to know hours before they got to Fiji they were going to have to land there. Qantas must have had over 8 hours of notice before that plane landed in Nadi. Enough time to gather a crew and fly from Sydney to Nadi.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:28 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Qantas must have had over 8 hours of notice before that plane landed in Nadi. Enough time to gather a crew and fly from Sydney to Nadi.

Even if the 8 hours mentioned above were not enough, say it took 12 hours, then there would have been only a 4 hour delay, not 10!
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:03 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
QF should be able to get a crew from Sydney to Nadi by the time the DFW flights gets to Nadi. 10 hours is just ridiculous to make pasengers wait.

Australia-NAN is not exactly BOS-LGA with hourly departures . Most airlines on the routes only operate once daily . So a ten hour delay is not bad for a diversion to a island in the middle of the south pacific .
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:05 pm

Hello fellow A.netter... first time posting here on the forum although have enjoyed keeping up on commercial aviation here for years. Seems such a shame QF having such tremendous difficulties. Flew two glorious trips with them from the US to OZ and all over OZ and back. And I was amazed at how superior their service standards were in comparison to so many US and even European airlines. Sad to see all the bad press. But I guess the OZ market is now feeling the intense competition that the US and European markets have felt for so many years now.  
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:24 pm

How long will QF keep allowing these unscheduled stops to occur before changing routing, aircraft type? Seems they can't keep advertising nonstop service from DFW to OZ when it's becoming routine for them to have these island diversions. At some point it's plain false advertising. In these cases it seems a routing via LAX will get you to SYD faster.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:26 pm

Would their A380's be able to fly to DFW-SYD leg, or at least the DFW-BNE reliably?
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting nzrich (Reply 16):
Australia-NAN is not exactly BOS-LGA with hourly departures . Most airlines on the routes only operate once daily . So a ten hour delay is not bad for a diversion to a island in the middle of the south pacific .

Qantas flies many flights from east coast cities to Fiji, the passengers from the DFW flight deseve better then to get stranded in Fiji.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:41 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
Does the entire crew get replaced or just the pilots?

The entire crew.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
On a related note, I assume the out of time crew deadheads on the same plane?

After operating so many hours, crew agreements stipulate a rest period must be undertaken. Sometimes, allowances are made for crew that want to get home. In Australia deadheading is still seen as duty time to a certain degree.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Qantas must have had over 8 hours of notice before that plane landed in Nadi. Enough time to gather a crew and fly from Sydney to Nadi.

In the area of long haul cabin crew, despite announcing redundancies, Qantas is very short at the moment. Aircraft are leaving Australian without the minimum number of crew (from a service point of view) every day. If an entire 747 cabin crew needs to be put together at short notice, you'll find most of them are on days off or annual leave. Reserve coverage is minimal. Apparently Alan Joyce hates the idea of crew sitting around on reserve, despite running an airline, where it makes commercial and common sense to have such operational flexibility.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:44 pm

Quoting wouwout (Reply 4):
What are the extra costs for these diversion? Would it impact the profitability of this route (enoug to ditch it)?

If I'm in Dallas, and I need to get to Sydney, I'm not going to take QF8. I'm going to connect in LAX, so I *know* that I will get there when I expect to. These are way too many diversions.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:45 pm

Is there any chance that this diversion wasn't actually weather related? They would usually stop in NOU if the headwinds were unfavourable (and the crews wouldn't have timed out), so stopping so far out means that the winds must have been absolutely horrendous...

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
But as I have said all along DFW should be via AKL...

100% agree.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 19):
Would their A380's be able to fly to DFW-SYD leg, or at least the DFW-BNE reliably?

The 2 that are coming in 2013/14 should easily be able to do DFW-BNE reliabily - SYD I'm not so sure about...
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:09 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
Qantas flies many flights from east coast cities to Fiji, the passengers from the DFW flight deseve better then to get stranded in Fiji.

Actually Qantas does not fly to NAN with QF metal it puts it code on other flights mainly Air Pacific and a few Jetstar from SYD . But even from SYD its not always twice daily . So it doesn't have many flights to get a whole new crew to NAN .
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:45 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):


How long will QF keep allowing these unscheduled stops to occur before changing routing, aircraft type?

For as long as it is necessary!
People there is NOTHING unusual in fuel diversions across the Pacific, it is standard operating procdure, happens on all trans Pacific flights from time to time, it still happens on LAX-MEL often enough, particularly when an ER is not avaiable.
Sure DFW-BNE is pushing the limits of the aircraft and it's averaging about one diversion a month, not a killer problem until the post 2012 A380 or B789 arrive.

What is stupidly unusual in this case is the amount of attention its getting in the press and especially on Anet.


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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:56 pm

These QF8 diversions are rather puzzling . The FlightAware tracking taken from the various control center's data for this flight of the 26th., from the beginning of cruise the distance covered shows 4469nm in 9 hrs ( or 10hours and 4950nm from takeoff) which indicates a tail wind of about 10k. It is almost inconceivable that it would take 6hrs (for the 16hrs timetable time) to cover the balance of the distance of 2350nm. This is something like a ground speed of 390k or a headwind of close to 100k. These sort of winds simply don't happen in that part of the world.
I checked the same flight for the 24th which took 15hr 36m gate to gate and for the first 9hrs of cruise it covered 4510nm at about 4k faster than the that of the 26th. Not a significant difference.
As I say I find this all rather puzzling unless the payload was higher ( and the fuel load lower) on the 26th.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:29 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
If I'm in Dallas, and I need to get to Sydney, I'm not going to take QF8. I'm going to connect in LAX, so I *know* that I will get there when I expect to. These are way too many diversions.

Mate, I am exactly the opposite. I am so glad we can fly to/from Texas without having to fly a domestic segment in the US on a US carrier. Flew via LAX last October and the ride from/to IAH was simply nasty. Off to Texas in October on QF 7 and coming back on QF 8 all for the unbelievable fare of AUD 4,500.00 return for 2 adults and 3 children older than 2 years.

Great bargain and as we live in BNE hopefully a non-stop from DFW.

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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 8):
They need to cut the AKL-LAX route, and make QF8 DFW-AKL-SYD

I can certainly see why you'd say this, but - no thanks. That would leave NZ with zero competition on AKL-LAX. Which is hardly likely to improve things from a customer's point of view. I have already flown AKL-LAX on QF with my family just to avoid NZ's 10 abreast Y class 77W
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:17 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 8):
They need to cut the AKL-LAX route, and make QF8 DFW-AKL-SYD.

Care to post some supporting arguments? Even if they did fly AKL-DFW, I don't see why AKL-LAX needs to go. The A332 used on the AKL-LAX route couldn't make it to DFW.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
But as I have said all along DFW should be via AKL

Perhaps Mexico overflight fees are the reason it is not done this way. I agree it would be operationally a whole lot more convenient, and from a pax perspective also.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 23):
The 2 that are coming in 2013/14 should easily be able to do DFW-BNE reliabily - SYD I'm not so sure about...

I think it would be reliable enough into SYD to make it not worth the BNE stop.

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 21):
The entire crew.

In this case, at least according to the timetable on qantas.com, the plane was 13h20m late into BNE. Could the cabin crew have been given hotel rooms and told to come back in 10-12 hours?

I expect that the flight crew went up on DJ155, as QF8 apparently departed at 16:30 from NAN. Before an Air Pacific or Jetstar flight would have gotten there. I'd wonder if a 744 full crew would be able to fit on this plane at the last minute. Or I could be wrong.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 25):
What is stupidly unusual in this case is the amount of attention its getting in the press and especially on Anet.

Funny. Although I don't think anything is unusual about it getting attention on a.net.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:22 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):

Qantas flies many flights from east coast cities to Fiji, the passengers from the DFW flight deseve (sic) better then to get stranded in Fiji.

Look carefully again at the timetable!!

Quoting nzrich (Reply 24):
Actually Qantas does not fly to NAN with QF metal it puts it code on other flights mainly Air Pacific and a few Jetstar from SYD . But even from SYD its not always twice daily . So it doesn't have many flights to get a whole new crew to NAN .

        

JQ only flys 4 times a week to NAN.

The only time I have been "stranded" on QF we were bussed to a motel and given a free meal and then had a good nights sleep before continuing on in the morning. You don't get that service on many carriers.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:27 am

It's an unfortune situation. But QF could have done better. At least switch that BNE stop to somewhere in the pacific? I doubt that they get a lot of traffic to BNE? So a tech stop without local rights could at least make passengers happier. Can the 787 run this route nonstop ? When is QF proper getting its first ?
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:36 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 31):
I doubt that they get a lot of traffic to BNE?

Someone has posted in another thread that more than half of the flight leaves QF8 in BNE.

The question is does it result in a lot of air on the LAX->BNE flight and the SYD->LAX flights?
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:36 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 31):
But QF could have done better. At least switch that BNE stop to somewhere in the pacific? I doubt that they get a lot of traffic to BNE?

Didn't someone post on here that the majority of pax left the aircraft in BNE for connecting flights to other cities? (apart from SYD)
Is this the 4th or 5th diversion, and have there been 40 to 50 flights that haven't diverted?
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:47 am

I thought the diversion was due to weather, as my Mum who was coming to Brisbane also had her flight divert too.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 18):
How long will QF keep allowing these unscheduled stops to occur before changing routing, aircraft type? Seems they can't keep advertising nonstop service from DFW to OZ when it's becoming routine for them to have these island diversions. At some point it's plain false advertising. In these cases it seems a routing via LAX will get you to SYD faster.

There have been 3 or 4 diversions (and one of those because of a medical). Are we going to see a post on here or an article in the news every time this happens? I hope not, because there are not really that common, it's also that time of year where the weather is not favorable to any flights across the pacific.

QF12 has diverted more than the QF8 has in the last few months.

Statistically QF94 is the flight that diverts the most.
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:57 am

Quoting eoinnz (Reply 34):
QF12 has diverted more than the QF8 has in the last few months.

Statistically QF94 is the flight that diverts the most.

Do you have said statistics? Can you post them?
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:12 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 35):
Do you have said statistics? Can you post them?

This was mentioned on a cabin crew call we have every month so don't have anything to actually share.

But it came from the head of cabin crew at Qantas.
 
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Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:47 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 29):
Perhaps Mexico overflight fees are the reason it is not done this way.

This is another A.net canard. There was a posting a couple of years ago from someone who knew what the charges were. They were very reasonable.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:07 am

1. QF can make this problem go away to 100% reliability instead of 95-98% by switching the BNE stop to AKL. In AKL possibly. JetConnect can have AKL-BNE/MEL/SYD/ADL/[Insert regional Aus. port].

2. It's not a Mexico overflight expensive fee problem, QF pays the expensive Mexico overflight fees when doing SYD-DFW non-stop, see here about 95% of the time.

This includes northern Mexico overfly and southern Mexico (rare, taking advantage of tailwinds over the Pacific) via Mexico City/Guadalajara/Monterrey):

Southern Mexico overfly to DFW:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...7/history/20110822/0325Z/YSSY/KDFW

Northern Mexico overfly to DFW (usual route):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...7/history/20110827/0325Z/YSSY/KDFW

QF is a reputable international carrier that is fully capable of countries overflight fees no matter how expensive (e.g. Mexico, Latin America, Europe, Central Asia/Russia, Japan, etc.).

I think this is more a case of extremely strong head-winds gone ashtray.

AKL versus BNE difference:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=DFW-AKL...FW-BNE%3B+DFW-NAN-BNE&MS=wls&DU=km

AKL is 1389km less than BNE.

How much head-wind cushion can QF squeeze out of 1389km in a 744ER!?

Does anyone know!?

[Edited 2011-08-28 20:08:31]

[Edited 2011-08-28 20:11:59]
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:26 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 25):
Sure DFW-BNE is pushing the limits of the aircraft and it's averaging about one diversion a month, not a killer problem until the post 2012 A380 or B789 arrive.
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 33):
Is this the 4th or 5th diversion, and have there been 40 to 50 flights that haven't diverted?

QF8 began 4 times a week DFW-BNE on 16 May, so as of Saturday 27 August it had flown 60 times. There have been five diversions so far, of which one was a medical emergency. This is one diversion every three weeks or twelve flights on average. Frequent enough to be more than Qantas or potential passengers would want. It underscores the fact that Qantas is indeed operating the route on the edges of the 747-400ER's range.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:35 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Qantas must have had over 8 hours of notice before that plane landed in Nadi.
What are you basing this statement on?

How do you know that?
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:06 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 25):
happens on all trans Pacific flights from time to time, it still happens on LAX-MEL often enough, particularly when an ER is not avaiable.

It really does not happen to MEL anymore. Sure the diversions used to happen from time to time, but they simply do not happen any more due to the plane being short of fuel. The 74E solved that, and the A380 has never diverted due to to fuel reasons (it has diverted for fog, but that's a different issue).

Quoting eoinnz (Reply 34):
Statistically QF94 is the flight that diverts the most.

This is simply not true.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 29):
Even if they did fly AKL-DFW, I don't see why AKL-LAX needs to go. The A332 used on the AKL-LAX route couldn't make it to DFW.

Agreed. Most of the traffic wouldn't be from AKL, it would be connecting to Australia (in fact, having to backtrack via SYD on the outward trip would probably mean very little NZ traffic on the route).

I think QF needs to fix this if they want businesses to be attracted to the route. If I need to be back in Australia then I'm going to fly via LAX even with the US domestic leg, rather than taking my chances on the DFW flight. For most of the US it's the same number of stops back to SYD anyway regardless of whether to fly via DFW/LAX or DFW/BNE.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:18 am

I understand QF employees, loyal fliers and Australians standing behind their carrier, wouldn't a bigger fuel load, or a little less cargo when departing DFW be less of a financial hardship than stranding 300+ passengers in Fiji for ten hours plus the cost of flying in a new cockpit crew from Australia. Not to mention the negative press while trying to make a new route successful? Fact is the 744 is not the best aircraft for the route, but its the best QF has in it's fleet currently. I think there are ways to expect the unexpected when operating a flight like this.
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:20 am

Here's a very interesting article someone had posted on another thread, but about mid way down article it specifically refers to DFW's profitability, high yield, diversions etc...but overall, an excellent insight into QF with mgmt quotes.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...hadowed-by-change-resistance/page1
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:38 am

Quoting dfwexecplat (Reply 43):
Here's a very interesting article someone had posted on another thread, but about mid way down article it specifically refers to DFW's profitability, high yield, diversions etc...but overall, an excellent insight into QF with mgmt quotes.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...page1

What's interesting in that link is that it doesn't mention the DFW route as a chance to see A380 service, in spite of mentioning every other 744 destination. Seems they will wait for the upgraded A380s.
 
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:57 am

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 5):
The diversion to Nadi was due to the ned to refuel. However, the crew went over-hours and a new set of crew from the SYD base had to come in.

Countless physicians go 2,3,4,5 hours "over-hours" yet they don't all of the sudden decide to go home....I can't recall my father doing an angiolplasty on a patient and saying in the procedure room, "whoops, I'm well over-hours, time for me to go home"...  
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:24 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 45):
Countless physicians go 2,3,4,5 hours "over-hours" yet they don't all of the sudden decide to go home....

Physicians don't have their license pulled and be unable to practice medicine again for the rest of their lives if they run over hours...

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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:29 am

10h sounds like the mandatory rest time required before the same crew can operate again, rather than a whole new crew from SYD
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:35 am

saw QF7 arriving into DFW, very hot weather
http://youtu.be/T3NhnJEwSGo
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RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:37 am

Seriously, this again???? These things are not threadworthy each time they happen.

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