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Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:23 pm

Asiana Airlines which previously announced series of charters to Hawaii, looks to convert its charter service to scheduled operations effective December 8th per GDS.

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OZ232 ICN-HNL 2000-0900 A333
OZ231 HNL-ICN 1100-1750+1 A333

Air travel between the US and South Korea has seen a nice boost in demand following the lifting of visa restrictions in 2009 including increase of arrivals to Hawaii which rose from 40,000 Korean visitors in 2008 to almost 100,000 in 2010 with forecast of 130,000 during 2011.

(for the record OZ previously served HNL with 763s, however dropped the route in 1998 following the Asian financial crisis)
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:46 pm

good timing of flights to allow Asia-ICN-HNL connections

on a side note - does it make any sense for UA/CO/US to time their Honolulu flights for this one at all ? (using hawaii as a scissor hub between AsiaPac and NorthAmerican flights instead of the standard SFO/LAX)
 
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:43 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):

Not at all. HNL is out of the way from ICN-Mainland.
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
on a side note - does it make any sense for UA/CO/US to time their Honolulu flights for this one at all ? (using hawaii as a scissor hub between AsiaPac and NorthAmerican flights instead of the standard SFO/LAX)

Interesting thought, but it wouldn't work, at least on the west bound. The first flights to Hawaii usually leave the US West Coast between 8 and 9 a.m. and arrive in Hawaii around 11:30ish, too late for this connection. To give people time to connect to this flight in HNL, a flight would have to leave the mainland around 6 a.m., and Hawaii-bound vacationers ain't gonna have none of that! Much easier to put the handful of ICN-bound pax on an early shuttle or connection to SFO and consolidate them there.
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:11 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
good timing of flights to allow Asia-ICN-HNL connections

I doubt OZ is launching this low frequency service with broad connections in mind.

It seems to be much more an evolution of charter service turning scheduled, with I presume large Korean tour operators taking most of the seats.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
on a side note - does it make any sense for UA/CO/US to time their Honolulu flights for this one at all ? (using hawaii as a scissor hub between AsiaPac and NorthAmerican flights instead of the standard SFO/LAX)

As previously mentioned neither the HNL timings work too well, nor is HNL a very direct route. Hawaii stop adds about 1400miles plus many more hours to a SFO - ICN itinerary for example.
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:39 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
It seems to be much more an evolution of charter service turning scheduled, with I presume large Korean tour operators taking most of the seats.

I'd say it's both O&D and connections, especially with Chinese visitors to Hawaii growing despite the almost complete lack of non-stop flights from China. 90,000+ Chinese visitors in one year have to connect somewhere, given the lack of flights from China.
 
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:27 pm

Good to see OZ back on this route. Flew them on this route right after they started this originally in J what a great time. Schedule looks about the same too.
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:17 pm

There are a dozen ways to get from China to Hawaii daily including most secondary cities.

Looking at a low frequency twice-weekly OZ service would be very far down the China options list.

The OZ flight is meant to support the growth in Korean traffic to the US and the desire by them for Hawaii vacations. After all the proposed schedule is virtually identical to the existing charter schedule.
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:37 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Looking at a low frequency twice-weekly OZ service would be very far down the China options list.

Every little bit helps given that frequencies between the US and China are so limited and Hawaii is really pushing for more Chinese visitors.
 
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RE: Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service

Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:26 am

Is the frequency being driven by aircraft availability? OZ's long haul fleet is rather small with only 32 'on hand' widebodies (per Wikipedia).

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Air travel between the US and South Korea has seen a nice boost in demand following the lifting of visa restrictions in 2009 including increase of arrivals to Hawaii which rose from 40,000 Korean visitors in 2008 to almost 100,000 in 2010 with forecast of 130,000 during 2011.

This makes sense. Cut the paperwork and sell more vacation packages... I just didn't realize it had created over 3X growth! Just imagine what happens if the KORUS FTA actually goes through! (Ghad, why has it taken so long?)

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
It seems to be much more an evolution of charter service turning scheduled, with I presume large Korean tour operators taking most of the seats.

It makes sense. I find it interesting with HA and KE both already flying the route.

Question: I would assume the route is most popular during Korea's winter?

Quoting airbazar (Reply 5):
90,000+ Chinese visitors in one year have to connect somewhere, given the lack of flights from China.

I wonder if connections will be important long term? In that regard, I suspect it will be a race for frequency; not exactly a contest OZ is participating in with two frequencies per week.

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