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ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:38 pm

I'm typing from my phone at work, so I'll be brief until I can get to a computer, but an ExpressJet E145XR went off the runway just a little bit ago here at MLI. It has been towed to a remote area until inspection can be completed. More details later...
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:11 pm

I just saw this on the news. They said the pilot "lost control of the steering system" and then showed a customer on the phone with customer service, complaining about the pilot not making an announcement during the accident. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me, I would personally be happy that no one was injured.

Here is a link to the news article and video:
http://www.wqad.com/news/wqad-plane-...l-airport-20110829,0,2237144.story
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:35 pm

Hard to say what the cause of this was - the news report I saw said it immediately skidded off the runway after landing, which seems like it could be a tire problem. But who knows how accurate news reports are, especially from passenger accounts.
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:57 pm

This is the second one this year. The crew in the Akron incident was cleared. The EMB-145 has a known issue with "uncommanded" nosewheel steering.
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:00 pm

I won't go into much detail since this is an active investigation, but from the pilot's accounts it was a normal approach and landing until the nose wheel set down. Apparently there have been a few reports of this happening before and it may be a widespread aircraft issue. We'll have to see how this gets handled by the airline and the FAA.
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:08 pm

That sounds very much like the account of the Akron incident I heard. In that case the airplane departed the runway once it entered the low speed regime, when the rudder, differential braking and differential reverse thrust were no longer effective in counteracting the errant nosewheel. Steering disconnect was also not effective.

It is also worth noting that the only open runway at MLI is quite small with the construction going on. I believe it is a re-purposed taxiway.
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:10 pm

Quoting mls515 (Reply 5):
It is also worth noting that the only open runway at MLI is quite small with the construction going on. I believe it is a re-purposed taxiway.

Yep, you're correct. The only runway we have open is a makeshift one while three runways are being reconstructed. The current runway is only 6,500x100 and when runway work is complete the current one will be converted to a taxiway. So the only open runway right now is pretty short an more narrow than most runways, which are generally 150 feet wide.
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:12 pm

Quoting mls515 (Reply 3):
This is the second one this year. The crew in the Akron incident was cleared. The EMB-145 has a known issue with "uncommanded" nosewheel steering.

Which is why the Embraer series airplanes have nose wheel steering disconnect switches on the yoke. Press the switch at ANYTIME the plane is on the ground and the nose wheel steering is disengaged and the nose centers back up and you're back to using the rudder pedals.
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:56 am

Quoting flyingbronco05 (Reply 7):
Which is why the Embraer series airplanes have nose wheel steering disconnect switches on the yoke. Press the switch at ANYTIME the plane is on the ground and the nose wheel steering is disengaged and the nose centers back up and you're back to using the rudder pedals.

Except it doesn't always work. Hence the crew in the Akron incident being cleared despite the airplane in the grass. See Reply 5. I understand there are pics of the Moline aircraft with the nosewheel visibly canted sharply to the side.
 
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RE: ExpressJet Off The Runway At MLI

Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:12 am

Quoting mls515 (Reply 8):
Except it doesn't always work.

Looks like this was a known issue....Here is the original AD I believe from 2005.

AD.nsf/0/47f0c20ab008b575862570b9006a6b9d/$FILE/2005-23-13.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...570b9006a6b9d/$FILE/2005-23-13.pdf