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Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:15 pm

A prototype of the new Fokker 100 will be ready in two years. The . The aircraft will be a modernized version of the current Fokker 100. Recently Rekkof got 20 million euro subsidy from the Ministry of Economic Affairs for the development of a new plane.


The new Fokker has a capacity of 120 passengers and will be the most energy efficient type of device are.

link: Dutch only:

http://www.nu.nl/economie/2603849/nieuwe-fokker-100-2-jaar-klaar.html
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:20 pm

I started a similar topic a couple of weeks ago but apparantly, there was no news.
Good to hear that the new Fokker 100 will be flying in 2013.

I flew the Fokker 70 a couple of weeks ago and the machines are very nice. Only those tiny windows.....however it is a nice trademark. I pressume the Fokker 100 NG will not have a aft-door (like the DC-9 and MD80/90).
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:30 pm

They also mentioned that the design is finished.This was btw during the celebration for the 100 year aniversary of the first Fokker.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:30 pm

Other than AF/KL who'd order this plane? This market segment looks to be crowded, will there be enough sales opportunities to make a Fokker 100NG viable?
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:35 pm

What engines are they planning on?
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
What engines are they planning on?

Thats something I want to know too, why not make it a F100NG and NEO at the same time.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:39 pm

This implies EIS in 2015. Any detail in the link?

Quoting kl911 (Thread starter):
The new Fokker has a capacity of 120 passengers and will be the most energy efficient type of device are.

Even when compared to the CS100? Quite a bit of time has passed since the design was proposed and technology has moved on. I think there is a market for the Fokker 100NG, but mostly for shorter missions.

Does anyone have a link to the engine?

No details on the home page:
http://ngaircraft.com/

I personally am a fan of the lightest MTOW (seems to have the best economics for most of the missions these will be flown).

But which engine? Note: I'm asking as all indications are the engine was put up for re-bid, but I honestly haven't followed the Fokker 100NG since the last a.net thread I participated in.

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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:46 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
But which engine? Note: I'm asking as all indications are the engine was put up for re-bid, but I honestly haven't followed the Fokker 100NG since the last a.net thread I participated in.

The latest info I can find is from an aviationweek.com article from march 2011, quoting this:

NG Aircraft, the company behind the new Fokker 70/100NG, is planning to have the aircraft powered by Rolls-Royce BR725s, the same engine type that powers the Gulfstream G650.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:47 pm

I seem to recall that they were planning on using the same RR engines as the Gulfstream 650
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:48 pm

Quoting kl911 (Thread starter):

A prototype of the new Fokker 100 will be ready in two years. The . The aircraft will be a modernized version of the current Fokker 100.

That will be the technology demonstrator.


Quoting cslusarc (Reply 3):
Other than AF/KL who'd order this plane? This market segment looks to be crowded, will there be enough sales opportunities to make a Fokker 100NG viable?

And even the AF/KL ship has sailed. My opinion: too little too late. Without the latest engines with LEAP-X/GTF technology it's obsolete before it has even flown.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
What engines are they planning on?

With a GTF, it might find a niche, but I'm not holding my breath   
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:54 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 7):

Beat me by 67 seconds...
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:56 pm

Bravo Rekkof!

I sincerely hope it goes ahead. The Fokker 70/100 is an aircraft I always liked both aesthetically and to fly in. It does have one important thing going for it which is a successful track record thanks to the original design. It always seemed quite roomy inside for it's overall size. And if they can get into service I think it would fit in the A318/736 niche and be desirable due to it's lower operating costs.

It would certainly be a retro design in todays market.

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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:58 pm

Well, I hope it has better hot airport performance than the original F-100 did. During the summer months at DFW, AA couldn't take a full pax load.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:01 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 9):
With a GTF, it might find a niche, but I'm not holding my breath

THAT should be the key for these guys. Could the F100NG compete against the C Series, MRJ, RRJ, etc?

Not with the original F100NG, they've been talking about this almost since Fokker went under, so they're going to need a HEAVILY updated F100 to compete. (ie new engines, DEFINITELY GTF or some other advanced engine although GTF would be my preference if I were in Rekkof's shoes...) the older RR is not going to cut it, without a significant rework. Let's remember it's not just about efficiency it's also about maintenance etc, and that's one place where that engine doesn't compete well especially in overhaul intervals compared to it's competitors.

The frame is a great frame, light for what it is, efficient, so really it'll be engines, other aerodynamic improvements etc on the frame, but I guess the point is as much as I really want to see the F100 fly again and be epically successful it's going to need more than just a once over, and I really hope they go with the next generation of engines otherwise this beautiful aircraft will still be dead in the water. As a fan of rear engines, and big T Tails here's wishing the F100 tons of luck!
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:03 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 9):
Without the latest engines with LEAP-X/GTF technology it's obsolete before it has even flown.

That is what I fear for this project as well.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 9):
With a GTF, it might find a niche, but I'm not holding my breath

Me neither.  .

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Well, I hope it has better hot airport performance than the original F-100 did. During the summer months at DFW, AA couldn't take a full pax load.

That was not the strongest point of the F70/F100 series. Also the cruise speed of the currents Fokkers is rather slow compared to the more modern competitors which already being offered on the market.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:46 pm

It's interesting that they were looking towards Brazil for its aerostructure components.....

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http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=33672

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"NG Aircraft has been discussing a Brazilian partnership on the Fokker 100NG since June last year. Anapolis's city authorities, it says, are developing a high-technology aeronautical zone in the vicinity of the civil airport.

'[This facility] will be part of our own supply for the Fokker NG,' says Van Eeghen, adding that it will produce subassemblies and components not only for the twinjet but also third-party programmes. 'It's an industrial initiative from the government. It will also work for the global aviation industry'."


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...tner-on-proposed-fokker-100ng.html

So they're viewing this not as a competition to Embraer but a synergistic development?


In any case, a welcome diversion from the ongoing NEO MAX battles raging on this board...if not for anything else.   
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:10 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
I personally am a fan of the lightest MTOW

Since that is what most airports base the landing fees on, is it not?

At any rate, I know they'd get a big order from me in my fantasy fleet.

 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:15 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 14):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 9):
Without the latest engines with LEAP-X/GTF technology it's obsolete before it has even flown.

That is what I fear for this project as well.

I am of that opinion too.  

However... The BMR725 could be updated with lower fuel burn. Not Leap-X/GTF fuel burn, but 'good enough.'
The issue is the BMR715 didn't have enough cycles between overhauls. It was one factor that limited Boeing 717 sales. The CF-34 has set a new standard for engine maintenance in the RJ market. Business jets simply do not see the cycles that one would put an RJ through.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 7):
NG Aircraft, the company behind the new Fokker 70/100NG, is planning to have the aircraft powered by Rolls-Royce BR725s, the same engine type that powers the Gulfstream G650.

Thank you.

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 13):
THAT should be the key for these guys. Could the F100NG compete against the C Series, MRJ, RRJ, etc?

With a slightly modified BMR-725?    With a highly modified BMR725 (new turbine materials at a minimum).    Not for all missions (of course). But there would be a niche *if* the engines could cut fuel burn a little and the cycles between overhauls were to be dramatically extended.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 15):
So they're viewing this not as a competition to Embraer but a synergistic development?

Until Embraer re-engines...   


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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:28 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 16):
At any rate, I know they'd get a big order from me in my fantasy fleet.

The Fokker 100 is a very comfortable flying machine. I have flown it as a passenger on a weekly basis.   Your fantasy customers would surely appreciate your choice.  .
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:24 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 3):
Other than AF/KL who'd order this plane? This market segment looks to be crowded, will there be enough sales opportunities to make a Fokker 100NG viable?

As much as I love to see it fly again, I think its going to be a flop. the F100 was a medium success thanks to AA, KLM TAM and USAir, but the F70 was a bust. All of the American companies dumped theirs years ago. The 717, which would be its competitor at the time was also not all that successful. There simply isn't a market for it with the C Series, E-190 and some of the other jets coming out. Airbus and Boeing can't even sell their smallest aircraft the A318 and 736.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:39 am

Brilliant, I'm so happy to see that the 100-seat market isn't going to be lost to wing-mounted engines. She'll look gorgeous with the winglets, and hopefully the "scalloped" engine nacelles. My year'll be made if a US airline announces orders for her.

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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:42 am

Holy competition, batman...E-jets, CRJ's, Superjets, with older engines, (all of which are candidates for the GE NG34 engine upgrade), and CSeries, MRJ, 737-7 and 319NEO all with the latest tech engines.

It looks like Rekkof will use a new wing, (built by whom?), and an engine specifically designed for long distance, low cycle use on their high cycle RJ...to do battle in a segment that isn't exactly booming at the moment and is as crowded as a tiki bar on dollar margarita night.

I wish them luck but they have some tough sledding ahead.
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Until Embraer re-engines...   

How far away from a tech-x flight do you think we are?

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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:14 am

As much as I hope for a Fokker 70/100NG, I don't see it happening. Maybe, if they can offer them at real low prices, that Iran Air and the likes will buy them, to replace their current F100s, but they're too late for the major airlines.
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:50 am

Sharp!!! Much better looking than the past prototypes!
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:02 am

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 23):
As much as I hope for a Fokker 70/100NG, I don't see it happening. Maybe, if they can offer them at real low prices, that Iran Air and the likes will buy them, to replace their current F100s, but they're too late for the major airlines.

I agree, I'd love to see another Dutch airplane take to the skies but I fear it will be a giant flop..
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:09 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 3):
Other than AF/KL who'd order this plane? This market segment looks to be crowded, will there be enough sales opportunities to make a Fokker 100NG viable?

Australian mining charter airlines (i.e. Alliance and QFLink airlines) are trying to get there hands on as many F100's as they can at the moment, so assuming the F100NG performs like the F100 then they will get a few orders from Australia.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:15 am

It's a nice dream, but let's be serious, the type has been out of production for 14 years. Technology has moved on considerably in the meantime. Even with re-engining and moving manufacturing to a country with lower labour costs I just can't see how a Fokker/Rekkof/whatever you want to call it would be economically viable. Don't get me wrong, I really liked the F100, but I just can't see how this could work.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:22 am

I'll believe it when I see it, there have been to many false F100 resurrection stories in the past. Don't get me wrong, I love the Fokker and would like to see it back again.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 9):
My opinion: too little too late. Without the latest engines with LEAP-X/GTF technology it's obsolete before it has even flown.

That sums it all up. The base airframe is already a good design, and can be brought up to date with aero improvements and systems upgrades. But the key is the engines. And the BR725 is not good enough, IMO. If they could offer a GTF-powered Fokker, a few years before Embraer reengines with the NG34, I can see a business case. Otherwise, what reasons are there to get a Fokker versus an E-jet, Superjet or MRJ?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Business jets simply do not see the cycles that one would put an RJ through.

That's the concern I see with the BR725... an F100 would be seeing a lot of high-cycle short hops. As you say, a highly modified engine might work... maybe RR, after being shut out of the narrowbody market by the GTF, is willing to invest in a RJ engine? That's the only way a BR7xx-powered Fokker could stand a chance.
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:03 am

People on this forum/thread are not stupid and of course all are asking the same questions. Here is an overcrowded market with low demand.There are loads of new planes that have come/are coming out - from the Russians,Chinese,Japanese,Canadians and the brand leader (Brazil) has yet to reveal it next move.

This 17 year old (today) aircraft has not got a hope in hell.Furthermore we know (717 and others) that "orphan" aircraft are rejected by the airlines.On top of all the above aircraft only this week have we seen the launch of the 737MAX-7.Which will be a phenominal plane, part of a family and cheap.

Complete madness. The only way such a plane would have any chance at all would be for it to offer very real advantages with big %age figures attached.

Hypothetically they would need to offer something that "game changes" and uses what they have to create something that others could never do.As an example (I appreciate it would never happen).

The plane is of all metal design.Last month Alcoa launched a range of 3 AlLi alloys - they are in a position to take advantage of that (perhaps).The plane is a light design.Now if they could make it "super light" requiring less thrust than any other plane in it's class that might be a start.

But it would still require alot more than this. Why- because the MRJ is a phenominal all new aircraft that has had full input from prospective users - and of course uses the groundbreaking GTF technology.

P&W were very smart getting their new technology installed on this aircraft first as it showed the World that it was "real" and people had full confidence in the groundbreaking technology.

The F100 is rear engined.

The same would apply to Rolls Royce (who are stated to be their engine partners). If RR really believe that "OR" is the way forward then they need an aircraft that can handle it - a rear engined craft.We have heard (from both RR and GE/Safran) that the noise issues have been overcome - but frankly that it only a start.Such an engine is massivly complicated (somewhat like the gearing issues on the GTF).

Now if RR stated they would/could build a "small" "OR" engine for this (now super light) plane cutting Sfc by 20% then one might - just might have something. Of course the blades would have to sit behind the passenger bulkhead and triple redundant tail control lines protected by titanium tubes (from a"carbon" blade-out situation)- so it could get certified.

Unread I appreciate.But that would be the level of advantage they would need.Otherwise it would suffer the fate - of - well an F100!
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:09 pm

Just what the world needs: another government subsidized aircraft in an already overcrowded commercial aircraft market segment, only this one is not only late to market it also is based on a design from 1962 -- and a commercial flop at that!

[Edited 2011-09-01 07:10:36]
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:31 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 22):
How far away from a tech-x flight do you think we are?

2016 The test schedule is conservative enough to allow a 2nd variation for the E-jets in the same timeframe.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...AFQjCNFdoDzngz4d2qYifsBPYZ73CBsv3A

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Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:29 pm

I was always a fan of the Fokkers. My flying experience started with the F-27s and F-28s that BG operated once upon a time ... I'm not sure if any of the F-28s are still flying in DAC. However, in the crowded market of RJs and C Series etc ... the new Fokkers should improve the design of the small windows and the stubby noses!   
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:10 pm

IMO, the following might be interested.

1. Countries who would rather not buy American, (Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe etc)

2. Executive Jet owners.

3. China, (access to technology).
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:42 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 33):

China already has access to far superior technology and I have a hard time believing that any major commercial airframe today could be built without American technology but even if it could, Iran, Cuba and Zimbabwe hardly make for a compelling market segment!
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:46 pm

It was a bit of a struggle  
 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:49 pm

Aesthetically it looks stunning.

T-tail, winglets of some kind. Clean wings. Couldn't ask for more.

The dutch capitulated on this one in the 90's. Bombardier and Embraer have proven that, by now. It's a shame.

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Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:40 pm

Internally we are informed today that the finances for the modification and certification(phase 1) of the proto(internally known as Q1, externally known as PH-MKH) are in place.

Fokker has officially nothing to do with the project although they(with several others) were contracted for some of the (re)design work and now for the modification and certification process.
The re-design has been completely finalised some time ago and work on Q1 will be done at the Fokker facility in Woensdrecht.
Obviously all this is no surprise to me  
In Brasil work has begun on the plant that will produce some of the parts(not limited to ng aircraft).

In other words: the F100NG proto will see the light of day   

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Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:30 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 37):
brought with pleasure to all nay sayers and self proclamed planemakers,

That is correct.

It is funny about Fokkers and I. I have flown on the F50 and F70 so many times out of CGN and DUS in the most crazy weather. I mean weather the where the plane in moving around even before the takeoff roll begins. Weather where you do not even like it that you are going to fly. And I am talking like 100 times throughout the years. Well, the Fokker always has this solid feel and a certain quietness when we are punching through the bad stuff. I just have a safe feeling when flying on those planes. The same when landing at AMS, the plane yawing and making large verticle motions and then slam, you are on the ground. No drama. I am not really a fan of any make of airliner but these planes have earned my respect.
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:02 pm

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 3):
Other than AF/KL who'd order this plane? This market segment looks to be crowded, will there be enough sales opportunities to make a Fokker 100NG viable?

If Wikipedia is to be trusted, Austrian Errors have a combined 70/100 fleet of 24 planes, and so far I've not heard them ordering any Embrear or C-Series. NG would be a good way to go, especially if you consider that by the time it will be up for sale, the Austrian Arrows fleet will be more than 18 years on average.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 33):

1. Countries who would rather not buy American, (Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe etc)

2. Executive Jet owners.

3. China, (access to technology).

Your first point makes sense, but then again America isn't even a player in the size-of-plane market we are talking about.
Your second point may be valid too, but the 70/100 has not proven to be a successful corporate airliner, so why would that change with the new generation? The market for executive jets is just as covered as the one the F100 is primarily aiming for in the regional business.
I am however fully on your side with the third point. I'm surprised China hasn't stepped in as a 'development partner' on the project. The question is only whether the plane isn't simply too small for the chinese domestic market.


I would love to see Fokker rise to its former greatness again with this new project, though I just can't figure out how it is going to work. Fokker management isn't stupid (let's assume they aren't), so they see some potential in the plane which none of us is able to detect. If only we had some specs...
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:51 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 37):
In other words: the F100NG proto will see the light of day

Good to hear.


My only concern is RR putting enough into the engines (cycle life, mostly). I wish the F100NG well.

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Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:58 pm

Guys there are so many old Fokker 100s and Avro Jets to be replaced!! Also I don't think the B737-600s and A318s flying around will have a very long life left. I expect at least 250 planes to be sold. I might be optimistic though... 
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:05 pm

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I'm surprised China hasn't stepped in as a 'development partner' on the project.

They already purchased the DC8 blueprints for their ARJ21  

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Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 39):
Austrian have a combined 70/100 fleet of 24 planes, and so far I've not heard them ordering any Embrear or C-Series. NG would be a good way to go, especially if you consider that by the time it will be up for sale, the Austrian Arrows fleet will be more than 18 years on average.

Austrian has signed a life time service contract for the current F70/100 fleet last year which runs till 2020.
So I don't see them ordering E-jets or C-series anytime soon but new NG's...... why not  http://www.flyfokker.com/Fokker-FLYF...es-signed-Fleet-Lifetime-Agreement

Quoting Semaex (Reply 39):
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 33):
1. Countries who would rather not buy American, (Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe etc)
2. Executive Jet owners.
3. China, (access to technology).
[quote=Semaex,reply=39]Your first point makes sense, but then again America isn't even a player in the size-of-plane market we are talking about.

Nope it's absolute NONsense.
F70/100's consist for a substantial degree out of US parts which is why we can't even service the current fleet based in Iran.
http://www.fokker.com/Statement-Fokk...n-dialogue-with-the-US-authorities
A possible NG wouldn't be very different in that respect I guess.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 39):
I'm surprised China hasn't stepped in as a 'development partner' on the project.
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...s/news/fokker-inks-deal-comac-0515
Fokker is helping China.  
Quoting Semaex (Reply 39):
Fokker management isn't stupid (let's assume they aren't), so they see some potential in the plane which none of us is able to detect

You haven't red my post, Fokker is not directly involved.
Fokker was contracted and paid by NGA for bits of the re-design which work was completed around Nov.2010.
Now Fokker has again been contracted for the re-build/modification of the Q1.
and that's it.
Today's meeting was about our own figures and current NGA status was only briefly mentioned as a side note.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):
I wish the F100NG well

It will be alright, no worries.
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Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 41):
I expect at least 250 planes to be sold. I might be optimistic though...

With a estimated break even point at 40-50 frames 250 would be great.  
Even today's F70/100 market is very good to us, infect better than it has been for quite some time.
http://www.flyfokker.com/Public-Rela...ker-aircraft-in-first-half-of-2011

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 42):
They already purchased the DC8 blueprints for their ARJ21

The news about the AR21 I got isn't great.
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Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:39 pm

Quoting drgmobile (Reply 34):
but even if it could, Iran

Fokker would be under the same embargo as Airbus, Boeing and even Embraer.
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:39 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 32):
the new Fokkers should improve the design of the small windows and the stubby noses!

If the Rekkof site is still current, it will have bigger windows.

http://www.rekkof.nl/galint.html
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:33 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 37):
In other words: the F100NG proto will see the light of day

Great news Willem! Looking forward to seeing this project evolve.
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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 43):

The news about the AR21 I got isn't great.

Agree, apparently their wing is bad. What I meant is that they already have their regional jet programme.

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RE: Fokker 100NG In 2013!

Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:54 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 43):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):I wish the F100NG well
It will be alright, no worries.

I hope you are right. I love flying in the F70 and especially the F100. If the NG's are good enough, even without Leap-X or GTF engines, that would be fabulous.  .