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OAG Changes 9/2/2011:AA/AS/CO/DL/F9/G4/US/WN

Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:55 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


9K SJU-EIS JAN 7>8

AA DFW-DRO APR 0.1>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
AA DFW-GDL MAR 2>3
AA DFW-NRT NOV 2>1.9
AA JFK-AUS NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA JFK-CCS NOV 0.3>0.5 DEC 0.3>0.7 JAN 0.3>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.7 MAR 0.3>0.7 APR 0.3>0.7 MAY 0.3>0.7
AA JFK-SJU FEB 4>5
*AA MIA-VLN NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*AA SJU-DOM FEB 1.3>3 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
AA SJU-GND FEB 0.6>0.5 MAR 0.6>0.5 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4
AA SJU-PUJ NOV 1.7>1.5 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
AA SJU-SDQ NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 5>4 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3

AD XJF-VCP OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 0.9>0

AF IAD-CDG FEB 1.8>1.7

AM ONT-GDL NOV 0.5>1.0 DEC 0.5>0.6
AM ORD-GDL NOV 0.7>1.0
AM ORD-MTY NOV 0.9>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.9 MAY 1.0>0.7
AM ORD-ZCL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.2
AM SAT-MTY NOV 0.5>0.9 DEC 0.6>0.7

*AS OAK-KOA MAR 0.4>0.8 APR 0.4>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0
*AS OAK-LIH MAR 0.6>0.8 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0
*AS SJC-KOA MAR 0.6>0.9 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0
*AS SJC-LIH MAR 0.4>0.8 APR 0.4>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0

BW JFK-ANU OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0

CO DEN-LAS NOV 1.2>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.8
CO DEN-PHX NOV 0.2>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
CO IAD-EWR DEC 2>5 JAN 2>5 FEB 3>6 MAR 2>5
CO IAH-DEN NOV 7>8
CO IAH-IAD NOV 0.4>2.0 DEC 1.6>3 JAN 1.2>3 FEB 1.7>3
CO IAH-MZT OCT 1.0>0.7
CO OGG-SNA JAN 0.2>0.1
CO ORD-EWR DEC 7>8
CO ORD-MCO NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
CO SFO-LAS DEC 1.8>0.4 JAN 1.9>0.8 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.8>0.8
CO SFO-ORD NOV 0.2>1.0
Real or a shift?
*CO SNA-OGG MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.1>0

DL ATL-AGS APR 10>11 MAY 10>11
DL ATL-BNA APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
DL ATL-DAB MAY 4>5
DL ATL-DEN APR 9>8
DL ATL-FLL APR 14>13
DL ATL-PNS APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
DL ATL-RDU APR 12>11
DL ATL-SAT APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
DL ATL-SAV APR 10>11
DL ATL-TLH APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
DL ATL-VPS APR 10>11 MAY 9>10
DL BOS-BDA DEC 1.0>0.8
CVG gains flight!
*DL CVG-MSY APR 1.0>1.8 MAY 1.0>2
DL DTW-ERI JAN 4>5 FEB 4>6 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
DL DTW-FLL APR 6>5 MAY 5>4
DL DTW-LSE APR 2>1.2 MAY 2>1.0
DL DTW-MKE APR 6>7
DL DTW-PBI APR 3>1.5
DL DTW-RST APR 1.9>1.1 MAY 1.9>0.9
DL DTW-RSW APR 5>4
DL DTW-TPA MAY 6>5
DL LGA-RSW MAY 2>3
*DL MEM-BOS JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>1.9
DL MIA-ATL APR 10>11 MAY 10>11
DL MSP-OMA OCT 7>8
DL MSP-RSW APR 4>3
DL MSP-TPA APR 4>3
DL MSP-YVR MAY 3>2
DL MSP-YYC APR 3>2
DL SLC-LAS APR 6>7
DL SLC-PHX MAR 6>7 APR 6>7
DL SLC-YVR APR 2>1.2 MAY 2>1.0
DL SLC-YYC APR 1.9>1.2 MAY 1.9>1.0

EI BOS-DUB MAR 1.0>1.1 APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.5

I think F9 fixed some problems they had in their FEB OAG file. Perhaps dupe flights?
F9 DEN-ATL MAR 1.6>1.2
F9 DEN-AUS FEB 4>3
F9 DEN-COS JAN 5>6
F9 DEN-DTW FEB 4>3 MAR 1.7>1.2
F9 DEN-OKC JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1
F9 DEN-PHX JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
F9 DEN-SAN FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-SEA FEB 6>5
*F9 DEN-SMF JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1

Reverses last week's apparent error
*FL ATL-ACY JAN 2>0.4 FEB 3>0
FL BWI-CUN DEC 1.2>1.4
Even earlier end
*FL MCO-AVL JAN 0.6>0.1
*FL MCO-MLI JAN 0.5>0.1
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/2/2011:AA/AS/CO/DL/F9/G4/US/WN

Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:55 pm

I don't watch G4 so I don't know if this is meaningful or not.
G4 ABE-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 ABE-SFB JAN 0.8>0.6 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.8>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.5
G4 AZA-BIL JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 AZA-BIS JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.8>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.5
G4 AZA-BLI JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.6
G4 AZA-BZN JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-CID JAN 0.8>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.8>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.5
G4 AZA-EUG JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-FAR JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.8>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.5
G4 AZA-GRI JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-GTF MAR 0.6>0.4
G4 AZA-ICT JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-IDA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-MLI JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-MOT JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-MSO JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-PIA JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-PSC JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-RAP JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-RFD JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-SBN JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 BGR-PIE JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 BGR-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3
G4 BIL-LAS JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 BIL-LAX JAN 0.3>0.1
G4 BIS-LAS JAN 0.4>0.3
G4 BLI-OAK JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 BLI-PSP JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5
G4 BLI-SAN JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 CHA-PIE JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 CHA-SFB JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 CID-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3
G4 CID-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 CID-SFB JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 COS-LAS JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 DSM-LAX JAN 0.3>0.1
G4 DSM-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 DSM-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 ELM-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 FAR-LAX JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 FAR-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 FCA-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 FLL-GSP JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 FLL-PBG JAN 1.4>0.6 FEB 1.5>0.4 MAR 1.4>0.4 APR 1.4>0.4 MAY 1.5>0.5
G4 FLL-TYS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 FSD-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 FWA-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.4
G4 FWA-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 GFK-LAS JAN 0.6>0.3
G4 GJT-LAX JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 GRR-PIE JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 GRR-SFB JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.8>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0.5
G4 GSO-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 GSO-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 GSP-PGD JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 GSP-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 GSP-SFB JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 GTF-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 HTS-PIE JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 HTS-SFB JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 ICT-LAX JAN 0.3>0.1
G4 ILM-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-LRD JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MRY JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 LAS-MSO JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 LAS-PIA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 LAS-RAP JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 LAX-MFR JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 LAX-MSO JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 LAX-PSC JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 LAX-SGF JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 LEX-PGD JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 LEX-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 LEX-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 MFE-SFB JAN 0.4>0.1
G4 OWB-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 PBG-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 PBG-SFB JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 PGD-TYS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 PIA-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.4
G4 PIE-RFD JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-ROA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-SBN JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-SGF JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-TOL JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-TRI JAN 0.5>0.0 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 PIE-TYS JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3 MAY 0.7>0.3
G4 PIE-YNG JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 RFD-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 ROA-SFB JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 SBN-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 SFB-SGF FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-TOL JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-TRI JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-TYS JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.8>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0.5
G4 SFB-XNA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3
G4 SFB-YNG JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3

KE ORD-ICN DEC 1.5>1.4 JAN 1.8>1.4 FEB 1.9>1.5 MAR 1.8>1.4

LA MIA-LIM OCT 1.9>1.2 NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.8>1.0

MON SFB-LGW NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0
MON SFB-MAN NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0

OZ SEA-ICN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7

PD BOS-YTZ NOV 5>6 DEC 4>5 MAY 5>6

Schedule extension?
SU IAD-SVO APR 0>0.1 MAY 0>0.2
SU JFK-SVO MAR 0.8>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
SU LAX-SVO MAR 0.5>0.6 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5

SY BOS-MSP JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0
SY MSP-SAN JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3

TA LAX-SAL OCT 1.5>2 NOV 1.6>2

U5 ORD-PUJ NOV 0.4>0.3

UA CKB-MGW NOV 1.9>1.0
UA IAD-JST NOV 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-DCA DEC 13>12 JAN 13>12
UA ORD-LGA DEC 16>15 JAN 15>14
UA SFO-BOS OCT 6>5

US ALB-BOS OCT 3>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0
US BHB-BOS OCT 3>2
US BOS-PBG OCT 3>1.7
US BTV-LGA DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
US BWI-LGA DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
US CLT-LGA DEC 13>12
US CLT-TYS DEC 9>8
US CLT-YUL DEC 1.3>1.7
US DCA-GSP DEC 1.0>1.9
US IAD-LGA DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
US LGA-MHT DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
US LGA-PVD DEC 3>1.9
US LGA-PWM JAN 5>4
US LGA-ROC JAN 5>4
US LGA-SYR DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
US PHL-LGA DEC 18>20
US PHL-MYR DEC 0.3>0.2
US PHL-YOW DEC 3>4
US PHX-DRO NOV 2.0>3
US PHX-PVR DEC 3>4

V2 ATL-SDF NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7
I'm kinda surprised to see ATL go.
*V2 ATL-VPS NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
V2 FLL-SDF OCT 0.4>0.3
V2 PIE-VPS OCT 0.4>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3

*VX SFO-PVR DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.8 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7

W3 JFK-LOS APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0

Additions are partial months (mid Feb start and partial Mar schedule for sale), so don't focus on the frequencies.
WN ATL-AUS FEB 0>1.3
WN ATL-BWI FEB 0>3 MAR 0>1.1
WN ATL-DEN FEB 0>1.3
WN ATL-HOU FEB 0>1.9 MAR 0>0.9
WN ATL-MDW FEB 0>3 MAR 0>1.1

ZK DEN-EAR DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
ZK DEN-FMN NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 5>4 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
ZK DEN-RIW DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
ZK DEN-SHR DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
ZK EAR-MCK DEC 1.0>1.7 JAN 1.0>1.7 FEB 1.0>1.8 MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>1.7
ZK PHX-SOW DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3 MAR 1.0>0.6
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I don't watch G4 so I don't know if this is meaningful or not.

Is it just me, or does that show nearly every single Allegiant station losing about one frequency per week?
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-ATL MAR 1.6>1.2
F9 DEN-AUS FEB 4>3
F9 DEN-COS JAN 5>6
F9 DEN-DTW FEB 4>3 MAR 1.7>1.2
F9 DEN-OKC JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1
F9 DEN-PHX JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
F9 DEN-SAN FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-SEA FEB 6>5
*F9 DEN-SMF JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1

If this is true then this is a huge knock to all the F9 defenders who think they're holding their own against WN.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
LA MIA-LIM OCT 1.9>1.2 NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.8>1.0

On November 28th, LAN will increase frequency on the LIM-MIA route from 12x weekly to 13x weekly (B763).
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 2):
Is it just me, or does that show nearly every single Allegiant station losing about one frequency per week?

Not sure how to look at it...they haven't even published their schedule yet on their website.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I don't watch G4 so I don't know if this is meaningful or not.

Is it just me, or does that show nearly every single Allegiant station losing about one frequency per week?

I don't think it is meaningful. As for the reason why, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Allegiant does not release their schedules to third parties.

That said, I'm not sure how OAG gets their G4 data. Maybe they sniff their website?
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I think F9 fixed some problems they had in their FEB OAG file. Perhaps dupe flights?

Either that or they're pulling some capacity that was in there until the deal with Apple was finalized.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US ALB-BOS OCT 3>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0
US BHB-BOS OCT 3>2
US BOS-PBG OCT 3>1.7

Seems Colgan is pulling about one aircraft worth of flying out of BOS for October. I would bet it's not coming back.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:35 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-ATL MAR 1.6>1.2
F9 DEN-AUS FEB 4>3
F9 DEN-COS JAN 5>6
F9 DEN-DTW FEB 4>3 MAR 1.7>1.2
F9 DEN-OKC JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1
F9 DEN-PHX JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
F9 DEN-SAN FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-SEA FEB 6>5
*F9 DEN-SMF JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1

If this is true then this is a huge knock to all the F9 defenders who think they're holding their own against WN.

Who knew that cutting a good handful of frequencies in the dead of winter would be a huge knock to the notion that F9 is holding their on in Denver? (The March adjustments are not meaningful since it's only a partial month filed.)

Turns out, however, Enilria is right on these being quirks in the data and not representative of true cutbacks:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
I think F9 fixed some problems they had in their FEB OAG file. Perhaps dupe flights?

That's how it looks. For example I don't believe they ever planned to fly 6x DEN-SEA in February, for example, because the winter "norm"...judged by looking at what they have for sale in mid December....is 5x.

F9 DEN-AUS FEB 4>3.....3x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-COS JAN 5>6.....6x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-DTW FEB 4>3.....3x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-OKC JAN 3>1.9.....2x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-PHX JAN 6>5.....4x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-SAN FEB 5>4.....4x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-SEA FEB 6>5.....5x is the winter norm
F9 DEN-SMF JAN 3>1.9.....2x is the winter norm

So with the possible exception of PHX adding a flight, these look to be quirks resolved. It seems really doubtful that DEN-OKC was ever planned to grow from 2x in December to 3x in January and 4x in Feburary.

[Edited 2011-09-01 13:37:35]
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:37 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
If this is true then this is a huge knock to all the F9 defenders who think they're holding their own against WN.

I think some of it (haven't looked) may be that with the pending IBT lawsuit, some of the original 190 aircraft may not come on schedule to save money. So maybe some of the flights that were planned are coming out for a little while during this
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I don't watch G4 so I don't know if this is meaningful or not.
Is it just me, or does that show nearly every single Allegiant station losing about one frequency per week?

Assuming it is correct, it may still mean little. It is likely that they overpublish the future schedule and the winnow it down as it gets closer. Most airlines now do that on some scale. This would be on a large scale, but NW used to publish future schedules needing 10-15% more than their actual fleet.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
If this is true then this is a huge knock to all the F9 defenders who think they're holding their own against WN.

Well, as I said, there was some sort of problem with their previously published FEB schedule. I think they fixed it. MAR is a partial schedule because they are not selling the whole month. SO, in summary, I would only trust the JAN changes as gospel and you would need to prorate the MAR changes based upon how many ever days they are selling of March at this point.

Having said all that, I think you are partially correct that WN is hurting them and causing them to cut Winter capacity. OTOH, this won't be the first Winter that has happened.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Allegiant does not release their schedules to third parties.

I've talked to OAG about that. I think you are only half right. Allegiant does not allow 3rd party distribution of its schedules, but OAG is a "2nd party". They do not provide OAG a schedule for the purpose of distribution for sales. They provide OAG a schedule because Wall Street uses it to track industry capacity...and pissing off Wall Street by hiding your schedules is not a way to get good Wall Street coverage for your stock.

SO, to my earlier point about over-publishing schedules, it probably has little customer effect if they make sweeping revisions instead of weekly tweaks because these schedules are likely only used for Wall Street capacity analysis. Having said that, they are probably fairly accurate, but just updated irregularly.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
Having said all that, I think you are partially correct that WN is hurting them and causing them to cut Winter capacity.

Cut winter capacity versus the summer, or cut winter capacity versus last year?

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Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:53 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 8):
F9 DEN-SAN FEB 5>4.....4x is the winter norm

Actually, I should point out that for the last 3 years, 5x HAS been SAN's norm for February so if this report is accurate, I DO see it as a cut in F9 service y-o-y. I do realize there are OAG oddities and some aspects of these reports that might affect the data, as well as overall traffic volume and other factors that may be at play here. However, while post-holiday January frequency has sometimes dropped to 4x, February and beyond have consistantly been at at least 5x daily flights out of SAN.

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Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:04 pm

US announced today that LAS to BOS, DFW, FAT, LAX, and SFO will all be ending between November and January. Which will bring LAS down from 35 daily flights to 21. They also announced the ending of mainline ramp/customer service agents in several stations.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:09 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 13):

US announced today that LAS to BOS, DFW, FAT, LAX, and SFO will all be ending between November and January.

In the case of FAT, that's good news for G4.
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:54 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 13):
US announced today that LAS to BOS, DFW, FAT, LAX, and SFO will all be ending between November and January. Which will bring LAS down from 35 daily flights to 21. They also announced the ending of mainline ramp/customer service agents in several stations.

Correct. COO Robert Isom confirmed today that US will be ending a majority of the routes in late November (I presume right after Thanksgiving. Vegas between Thanksgiving and Christmas has even worse yields than it normally does) with minor changes happening by January. I could see FAT hanging on until January with the rest ending in November. US had some loyal travelers on those routes, especially operating the very cost effective CR9 to LAX/SFO, but US clearly has better resources to deploy these airplanes to than LAS spoke flying.
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
Actually, I should point out that for the last 3 years, 5x HAS been SAN's norm for February so if this report is accurate, I DO see it as a cut in F9 service y-o-y.

Not singling out SAN particularly, but since the price of oil/fuel is staying so stubbornly high I'm not sure that "the norm" - whatever it was - applies.

Or - I hope it doesn't.

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Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:50 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Real or a shift?
*CO SNA-OGG MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.1>0

I wouldn't be surprised if this was an outright cut. They're competing with their own LAX-OGG service. It's either that or they're upgauging it to a UA 757, but that is unlikely...

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
W3 JFK-LOS APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0

Too bad. I wonder if they are still going to try to start service to IAH.
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:54 am

Bad news for BLI with their biggest carrier by far, G4, hacking a good portion of flights.

Looks like US is quickly cutting the BOS focus down and it also appears the LGA-to-DCA focus is beginning to get underway.
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:10 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-LGA DEC 18>20

Is this really the best use of LGA slots? When I see this I wonder if they're even trying to make LGA work.
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:17 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
Bad news for BLI with their biggest carrier by far, G4, hacking a good portion of flights.

Assuming I'm reading it correctly (which is always an "if" with me) I'm a bit more surprised about the apparent cutting back of Florida service from so many places in the high season months.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
G4 DSM-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 DSM-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3

At first I thought that DSM-SFB/PIE might be a reaction to Frontier, but then I saw that it is far too widespread for that.

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Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:55 am

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-LGA DEC 18>20

Is this really the best use of LGA slots? When I see this I wonder if they're even trying to make LGA work.

Sadly, I think they gave up trying to make LGA work a long time ago.

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Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:43 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
Cut winter capacity versus the summer, or cut winter capacity versus last year?
Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
OTOH, this won't be the first Winter that has happened.

I just meant that since WN came into DEN and flooded the market with capacity, clearly Winter has been hurt the most in that Summer can absorb the capacity more easily given seasonality. THUS, F9 has been more aggressive in cutting Winter capacity since that happened. WN is also more static in DEN by season. They usually only cut 2/3 RTs. That makes it even harder on UA/F9.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
Actually, I should point out that for the last 3 years, 5x HAS been SAN's norm for February so if this report is accurate, I DO see it as a cut in F9 service y-o-y.

To provide some background...there was an increase in FEB flying for F9 a couple of weeks ago and some posters said f9.com didn't show the increases which made me believe they were dupe flights. It looked to me like they got corrected this week. SO, in summary, I think 4 RTs is correct, but I'm not sure the 5 RTs they were showing was really intended evne if it was last year's level.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 13):
US announced today that LAS to BOS, DFW, FAT, LAX, and SFO will all be ending between November and January. Which will bring LAS down from 35 daily flights to 21. They also announced the ending of mainline ramp/customer service agents in several stations.

1) Not surprised.
2) Bad for Vegas.
3) Not sure that the Vegas market is as bad as the airlines think it is.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 17):
I wouldn't be surprised if this was an outright cut. They're competing with their own LAX-OGG service. It's either that or they're upgauging it to a UA 757, but that is unlikely...

Could well be

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-LGA DEC 18>20
Is this really the best use of LGA slots? When I see this I wonder if they're even trying to make LGA work.

We had a long debate about that. I think it is a travesty and should have been addressed by whatever govt agency could do something (or simply shame them in the media), but with the slot deal basically in the pipeline it is going to stop soon.

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
Bad news for BLI with their biggest carrier by far, G4, hacking a good portion of flights.

Assuming I'm reading it correctly (which is always an "if" with me) I'm a bit more surprised about the apparent cutting back of Florida service from so many places in the high season months.

Again, I suspect they were simply overpublished on purpose for the future, but we'd need an insider to know for sure.
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
Again, I suspect they were simply overpublished on purpose for the future, but we'd need an insider to know for sure.

I don't feel competent to comment in any way, since I simply don't know if I am reading the stats correctly.

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I really appreciate you publishing this list each week. I enjoy reading the comments and speculations as well. Keep up the great work.
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-LGA DEC 18>20
Is this really the best use of LGA slots? When I see this I wonder if they're even trying to make LGA work.

We had a long debate about that. I think it is a travesty and should have been addressed by whatever govt agency could do something (or simply shame them in the media), but with the slot deal basically in the pipeline it is going to stop soon.

It is by all means a waste and adds to congestion I think everyone can agree on that. In US defense its only a waste in frequency not number of seats. They use to fly A320s and A321s on the route and fill them. The problem they have is not enough seats at peak certain times hence they leave minutes from each other and too many seats at odd times. It is excellent if you miss a connection not a long wait till the next three flights usually LOL. They do fill the seats with alot of customers and in my experience alot of non-revs fill the rest after we all board. They will go back to less flights and bigger planes at the peak times once they can but until then they don't want to loose the slots so can you really blame them?
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
Not sure that the Vegas market is as bad as the airlines think it is.

I don't really think it is either. I do believe that with these final US cuts there we see the other shoe finally falling. The unique situation will probably make the major carriers their right size/price the market and it has left a void that Allegiant has been able to come in and begin to fill.
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Quoting sampa737 (Reply 24):
I really appreciate you publishing this list each week. I enjoy reading the comments and speculations as well. Keep up the great work.

  
 
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Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 DEN-ATL MAR 1.6>1.2
F9 DEN-AUS FEB 4>3
F9 DEN-COS JAN 5>6
F9 DEN-DTW FEB 4>3 MAR 1.7>1.2
F9 DEN-OKC JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1
F9 DEN-PHX JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
F9 DEN-SAN FEB 5>4
F9 DEN-SEA FEB 6>5
*F9 DEN-SMF JAN 3>1.9 FEB 4>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.1

If this is true then this is a huge knock to all the F9 defenders who think they're holding their own against WN.

This is DEN. If not WN giving F9 a headache, then UA surely would have.....or on certain routes DL.....or US....or AS...  
 
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Quoting sampa737 (Reply 24):
I really appreciate you publishing this list each week. I enjoy reading the comments and speculations as well. Keep up the great work.
Quoting point2point (Reply 27):
Quoting sampa737 (Reply 24):
I really appreciate you publishing this list each week. I enjoy reading the comments and speculations as well. Keep up the great work.
  

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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 25):
They do fill the seats with alot of customers and in my experience alot of non-revs fill the rest after we all board.

I'm glad somebody is using them. I don't think airplanes should be a substitute for taxis at a slot airport. LOL

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 25):
They will go back to less flights and bigger planes at the peak times once they can but until then they don't want to loose the slots so can you really blame them?

Companies have a duty to shareholders to maximize profitability. Regulators have a responsibility to make sure scarce and valuable resources are not squandered in such a way that limits competition. One of those two groups is letting down its constituencies. i.e. As I said, regulators should be forcing their hand or at least publicly shaming them.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 26):
I don't really think it is either. I do believe that with these final US cuts there we see the other shoe finally falling.

If LAS is so awful, why is Allegiant making plenty of money? I know packages...but they are still Vegas packages (I know they fly to other places, but LAS is a lot of their ASMs).
 
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Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
3) Not sure that the Vegas market is as bad as the airlines think it is.

I would tend to think that the airlines know what they're doing, but it might not be because Vegas is "bad". It might be because it's not a strategic destination for them, and that they might want to place those aircraft elsewhere for other reasons? Regardless, it's hard to imagine airlines giving up on profitable routes without a good reason - we just don't always know what the reason is.

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Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:52 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 30):
Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
3) Not sure that the Vegas market is as bad as the airlines think it is.

I would tend to think that the airlines know what they're doing, but it might not be because Vegas is "bad". It might be because it's not a strategic destination for them, and that they might want to place those aircraft elsewhere for other reasons? Regardless, it's hard to imagine airlines giving up on profitable routes without a good reason - we just don't always know what the reason is.

IMHO, the issue is not that Vegas is a bad market, the problem is four-fold.

1) Allegiant prices air using packages to subsidize the fare, nobody else can do that.
2) Allegiant impacts what would normally be high yield connect markets of intermediate haul.
3) Long-haul markets are still challenged by fuel.
4) US Airways is retrenching and LAS is just an easy place to do it.

I don't think any of those issues speak to the fundamental strength of the LAS market which is seeing room rates increase nicely over last year as demand returns.

VX should fly DFW-LAS if US is going to leave.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/2/2011:AA/AS/CO/DL/F9/G4/US/WN

Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:32 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
I don't think any of those issues speak to the fundamental strength of the LAS market which is seeing room rates increase nicely over last year as demand returns.

While I wouldn't disagree with that, I guess at the end of the day Las Vegas isn't strong enough. Lot's of passengers, but not lot's of dollars. Which - going back to the original quote - :

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
3) Not sure that the Vegas market is as bad as the airlines think it is.

- does seem like it is indeed a little "bad", at least as far as the airlines are concerned.

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RE: OAG Changes 9/2/2011:AA/AS/CO/DL/F9/G4/US/WN

Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:49 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
If LAS is so awful, why is Allegiant making plenty of money?

The leisure market to LAS is huge that is why they are making money. Its awful for premium and elite loyal customers aka legacies. Its heaven for leisure coach lowest fare chasing customers. The LAS market loves cheap fares hence why Southwest and Allegiant do so well. LAS can't be a legacy hub its just the perfect LCC market

Quoting enilria (Reply 29):
I'm glad somebody is using them. I don't think airplanes should be a substitute for taxis at a slot airport. LOL

LOL i know its a joke but that would be a ridiculously expensive cab ride especially since you are almost guaranteed traffic if you took the trip during the day which would add a ton onto the fare. US does fill those seats on LGA-PHL and tons of non-revs always come on too to fill even more. Its not the total waste everyone on here makes it seem its just a frequency waste they are not flying empty planes to save the slots just too small aircraft to push frequency. Its bad since they are both delay prone but it will be temporary.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/2/2011:AA/AS/CO/DL/F9/G4/US/WN

Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:47 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):

I'm not quite sure why you are defending Vegas here:
1. True, there has been a uptick in hotel occupancy since 2009 but not nearly to the level of the mid-2000's.
2. It still has one of the worst regional economies in the nation.
3. A large chunk of it's leisure travel is based in a country that has a 9% unemployment rate and is slipping back into a recession.

I don't see anything odd here. To be honest US may have hung on too long, IMHO.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/2/2011:AA/AS/CO/DL/F9/G4/US/WN

Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:52 am

Some more items for DL, including a few P2P routes that will be discontinued in Nov:

BDL-MCO (returns for x-mas season only)
CVG-CLE
FLL-TLH

DL will also cut DTW-RST service and will reduce MEM-PHX from 2x daily to 1x daily service.

On the other side of the spectrum (this has its own thread), DL will introduce new 2x daily service from BOS-YYZ starting in Nov.

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