voar
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A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:14 am

As per an article in the Folha de São Paulo website, INFRAERO (Brazil's airport operator) has given the green light for Emirates to fly into São Paulo (GRU) with the A380. A condition is the arrival and departure time which INFRAERO would like to be off-peak times due to airport saturation. Emirates was hoping for an 1830 arrival with a 0100 departure time, but INFRAERO want the arrival to be between 1600 and 1630 with a 0200 departure time. Emirates wants to start service with the A380 to São Paulo in december.

reference: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado...viao-de-passageiros-do-mundo.shtml (In Portuguese)

[Edited 2011-09-01 17:18:54]
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:41 am

Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Quoting voar (Thread starter):
A condition is the arrival and departure time which INFRAERO would like to be off-peak times due to airport saturation.

This isn't that much of a surprise.

Looking at EK's operations at DXB via the exceptional analysis of HB-IWC:
Emirates At DXB - Ultimate Operational Analysis (by HB-IWC Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

EK could move the departure to GRU up two hours. But the current departure from DXB allows for the entire 4am to 7am bank to feed the DXB-GRU flight. I believe that a departure earlier than 08:20 would start cutting into connecting traffic.

The real issue will be the arrivals back at DXB. The GRU flight is already the last flight in the 3pm to 9pm arrivals bank. But then again, the GRU flight to DXB is really 45 minutes early for the 10pm to 1am arrival bank.

The other issue will be the ground time. 1630 arrival with an 0200 departure is forcing 9.5 hours of ground time versus 6.5 hours. EK has been running the A380s hard (see the same link above). Losing the use of an A388 for 3 more hours per day is a cost that will add up.

I suspect there is further negotiation ahead, but that GRU will have no choice but to set fairly rigid conditions.   I'll be curious to see how the time changes effect the route's economics. I suspect EK will still launch the A380 to GRU on schedule.

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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:03 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Not really. It's all about politics. Infraero is trying to use this fact in time before GRU's concession to the private sector. Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

[Edited 2011-09-01 21:05:52]
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:18 am

And so it starts.
This will be a blow more to the european carriers for connecting traffic.

But if LH or AF start sending the A380 down, TAM will feel it. I wonder what they are gonna do in
terms of gate space? Simply send the A380 to a remote stand?
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:30 am

I suspect EK will adjust its schedule to the slot requirements. An earlier departure from DXB will not be a problem and connectivity will still be guaranteed. The flight is currently scheduled for 10.35am from DXB, and that can easily be brought forward to 8.30am. The new GIG flight will leave at 7.10am. The return flight is scheduled close to the slot requirements already.
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:28 pm

So what route will Emirates fly its 380 into GRU? Does it overfly Africa and the atlantic to S.A. or Asia and the pacific? Will it be a non-stop flight?
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

Ugh oh... Hope is not a plan.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
I suspect EK will adjust its schedule to the slot requirements.

You're the expert.  

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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:40 pm

JAAlbert,

EK flies DXB-GRU and very soon DXB-GIG.

They use the 100% Africa over-fly route.

The Pacific route to Auckland, Sydney and on-wards to Asia is flown only by 3 airlines:
LAN Chile (SCL-AKL-SYD), Aerolinas Argentinas (EZE-AKL-SYD) and Qantas (EZE-SYD but very soon SCL-SYD because they can use a regular 744 on that instead of a 744ER required for EZE-SYD).

EZE-SYD is trans-polar and SCL-AKL/SYD follows a polar-arc.
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:22 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Not really. It's all about politics. Infraero is trying to use this fact in time before GRU's concession to the private sector. Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

[Edited 2011-09-01 21:05:52]

It is very sad, but you're right. I'll be happy to see the A380 at GRU, but I don't know how the airport is going to handle it with it's current structure. Two weeks ago, the passport control queue was so loaded that it was reaching the gates, not allowing passengers to deplane! And the World Cup is coming.....
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Not really. It's all about politics. Infraero is trying to use this fact in time before GRU's concession to the private sector. Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

[Edited 2011-09-01 21:05:52]

It is very sad, but you're right. I'll be happy to see the A380 at GRU, but I don't know how the airport is going to handle it with it's current structure. Two weeks ago, the passport control queue was so loaded that it was reaching the gates, not allowing passengers to deplane! And the World Cup is coming.....
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:41 pm

Just an idea, but if EK are required to use the 1600 Arrival and 0200 departure slots, could they operate a tag-on to say EZE to reduce the amount of time the A380 has to spend on the ground at GRU (and not earning revenue).

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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:48 pm

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 10):
Just an idea, but if EK are required to use the 1600 Arrival and 0200 departure slots, could they operate a tag-on to say EZE to reduce the amount of time the A380 has to spend on the ground at GRU (and not earning revenue).

I doubt it. I suspect a lot of it has to do with airfield limitations as much as terminal limitations. GRU may not want to have an A380 taxiing around during the busy time. They may have to halt all ground ops to allow the A380 to taxi. Again, this is just a suspicion of mine, not a fact. Would be nice to know though.
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:05 pm

AF is planing a DAILY A380 on CDG-GRU + a DAILY A380 on CDG-GIG for the winter 2012/2013.
 
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:54 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
AF is planing a DAILY A380 on CDG-GRU + a DAILY A380 on CDG-GIG for the winter 2012/201



that's great !!! I guess we will see LH considering the same  

now, this will raise the preasure on TAM   
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RE: A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU

Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:48 pm

Thanks Willzzz for responding! That must be quite a flight from DXB over africa and into GRU!

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