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Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:15 am

Turkish plane skids off Mumbai airport runway, all passengers safe
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ngers-safe/articleshow/9831701.cms

Closed runway at BOM for 4 hours.

Bad week for Indian airports.

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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:24 am

Indian gov really need to work on the safety standards of all Indian airports. Actions must be taken in due course.
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:05 am

97 people including crew? that makes it like 90 or less passengers .. no wonder thy is bleeding bad..
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:30 am

Quoting bahadir (Reply 2):
97 people including crew? that makes it like 90 or less passengers

... on an A343 that is.
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:39 am

Quoting flythere (Reply 1):
Indian gov really need to work on the safety standards of all Indian airports. Actions must be taken in due course.

While the Indian government may be blamed for a lot of things, please elaborate how this is the fault of the Indian government? Do we know any policy that is caused this accident, and that is different from generally accepted principles?
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:01 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
97 people including crew? that makes it like 90 or less passengers .. no wonder thy is bleeding bad..

Its holiday time in Turkey and majority-Muslim countries so loads to some routes (esp business routes) are typically lower. TK's poorer financial performance this year is largely due to fuel and a weaking lira (affecting leasing costs etc), see:
http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...e-rate-losses-and-fuel-costs/page1
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:06 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 1):
Indian gov really need to work on the safety standards of all Indian airports. Actions must be taken in due course.

Huh?

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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:25 pm

NDTV is reporting its a A343, with a better pic of its main gear in the grass.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/tu...f-taxiway-at-mumbai-airport-130917

 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:14 pm

Exactly how to they get that thing out of the mud?
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting birdbrainz (Reply 8):
Exactly how to they get that thing out of the mud?

Joe Patroni, say no more  

Guess they will use a tug, wooden planks etc
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:24 pm

They managed to get the SQ A380 out off the a similar situation but it will be tricky
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:26 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 9):
Joe Patroni, say no more

But that's no 707..........
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 11):
But that's no 707..........

Nope, but same set up sorta. Single deck, 4 engines lol.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:56 pm

97 people on a 343? Damn that's empty, are the loads often that bad?
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:00 pm

Quoting worldliner (Reply 13):
97 people on a 343? Damn that's empty, are the loads often that bad?

If the return leg is full, there is no problem with that...
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:00 pm

Quoting worldliner (Reply 13):

97 people on a 343? Damn that's empty, are the loads often that bad?


@777Worldliner

The return leg has apperantly a load of 240+ pax.
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:38 pm

Quoting worldliner (Reply 13):
97 people on a 343? Damn that's empty, are the loads often that bad?

Read Reply 5.

Its the end of a holiday week in Turkey (and much the Muslim world). People that went on vacation are returning home, and business activity does not pick up again until next week. So there would be hardly any demand to go to India on Friday.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:55 pm

24 hours later and it still must be there...

A1277/11 NOTAMR A1276/11
Q) VABF/QMRXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/
A) VABB B) 1109021247 C) 1109030630
E) RWY 09/27 NOT AVBL FOR OPS DUE ACFT OFF THE RWY BTN TWY N7
AND N8.PORTION OF RWY27 BTN TXY N4 AND N7 IS AVBL FOR
TAXING.STANDARD OBSTRUCTION LGHTS HAVE BEEN PLACED WEST OF
TWY S7,EAST OF TWY N4 AND ACROSS TWY N3 ON RWY27.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:49 am

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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:50 pm

Think 9-27 is open for business now, I hope there any more damage to the plane unlike the other write-offs that skidded off that runway - the S2 737-300 and the IT ATR72 come to mind. They should really put a 'Slippery when wet' sign on the runway.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:16 pm

why one slide was deployed?
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:39 pm

Sorry, my ignorance, but what is the procedure to deflate the slide that was deployed before returning the aircraft back to service or ferrying it back to IST?

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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:00 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 1):

Indian gov really need to work on the safety standards of all Indian airports. Actions must be taken in due course.

There is no connection with the Incident to the safety standards at Indian Airports.......You must be joking.....This was caused by wet runway/taxiway & the pilot taking the earlier Rapid exit path at high speeds leading to the skid.The crew should have slowed down and taken the further down exit.

Quoting birdbrainz (Reply 8):

Exactly how to they get that thing out of the mud?

Normally they use Air bags to lighten the aircraft,build a firm surface with metal sheets/asphalt from the Wheels aft & tow the Aircraft from the MLGs after lightening it by defuelling excess fuel.

Quoting N593HA (Reply 22):
Sorry, my ignorance, but what is the procedure to deflate the slide that was deployed before returning the aircraft back to service or ferrying it back to IST?

There is a release valve at the end,its needs to be opened & Air pushed out.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:09 pm

Quoting N593HA (Reply 22):
Sorry, my ignorance, but what is the procedure to deflate the slide that was deployed before returning the aircraft back to service or ferrying it back to IST?

slide is disconnected from the plane, deflated through the swing type check valve(s) where the air got in, packed in a box, shipped to the workshop and prepared for installation.

but why was it deployed in the first place? on the photos it looks like only one slide was deployed
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:28 pm

Was it the wisest decision to deploy the slide? From the photos, it appears as though it wouldn't have been hard to get air stairs to at least one of the doors? And besides, aren't there usually a few injuries when you evacuate by slide?
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:34 pm

Quoting anshuk (Reply 25):
Was it the wisest decision to deploy the slide? From the photos, it appears as though it wouldn't have been hard to get air stairs to at least one of the doors? And besides, aren't there usually a few injuries when you evacuate by slide?

I fly TK about 50 flights a year. There are great, good, ok and very poor F/As in the team like in any rapidly growing airline. The investigation will tell. May have deployed it just because the book says so or maybe there was good a reason.

Good that everybody is safe and hopefully "Delta Mike" will be soon back in service.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:41 am

The Soft ground between N7 & N8 taxitracks compounded by rain has made mvmt of vehicles to the stricken Aircraft difficult.
Currently work is in progress to tow the Aircraft out using metal sheets & payment material,but rain is hampering efforts.

Hopefully rain stops for a while so the Aircraft can be towed away.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:59 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 1):
Indian gov really need to work on the safety standards of all Indian airports. Actions must be taken in due course.

What was the logic behind this comment...? What's the Indian govt got to do with a Turkish plane skidding off the runway in wet weather conditions...?
 
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:00 pm

Fresh NOTAM states valid Rnwy 09-27 closed till 1200hrs.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:02 am

Have they finally got it out - BOM should really look at making the entire around the runway paved
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:47 pm

40 minutes holding getting into BOM last night, a little chaotic getting in, especially with departure traffic having to partially backtrack on the shorter runway 14. Heavy rain did not help.

The stuck A340 was still there even after NOTAM said the runway would reopen. They have since extended the period of that NOTAM.

Airlines such as ours are taking a weight penalty to limit the landing weights of their aircraft to get in on the shorter runway in BOM. We had to offload several tons of cargo. The problem is compounded by having to carry extra holding fuel for the delays and carry fuel for reliable alternates especially with the bad weather they have been having here.

Last night the braking action was not great, we had close to 10kts tailwind and it was 1500M vis in showers when the visibility required on the ILS is just shy of that.

I hope they can reopen the long runway ASAP as the short runway these last few days is less than ideal with the current wind and weather. Let's see how we deal with leaving tonight, hopefully not too many delays! Best of luck to BOM getting that A340 off the grass!
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:03 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 30):
Have they finally got it out - BOM should really look at making the entire around the runway paved

There is a drain going accross & under the runway......
Add the river that flows accross too.
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RE: Turkish Planes Skids, Got Stuck In Mud At BOM

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:11 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 28):
Quoting flythere (Reply 1):
Indian gov really need to work on the safety standards of all Indian airports. Actions must be taken in due course.

What was the logic behind this comment...? What's the Indian govt got to do with a Turkish plane skidding off the runway in wet weather conditions...?

Exactly. Mindless posts like the one you reference do nothing to enhance the dialogue on this forum.

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