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Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:41 am

I was just reading something about the possibility of WN/FL and DL swapping gates so the new WN can consolidate at concourse D. I was wondering why DL has ops at all six concourses? I think that DL could consolidate all its domestic (and pre-cleared) ops to concourses T, A, B and C. While International ops are concentrated at concourse E, but may depart from domestic gates.

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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:04 am

I doubt that DL is going to cede any gate space on Concourse D, since they just opened a new SkyClub on D last week. . .
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:35 am

What Delta wants in ATL, Delta gets. Did you not notice the headquarters as you land in ATL directly adjacent to the airport? LOL

Do I agree with you in that it would be a more efficient use of space... yes. However, I believe they just spent money on replacing jet bridges in Concourse D in addition to building and opening the new SkyClub. Chances are... they aren't moving anywhere!
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:30 am

Why not... they are the dominant carrier here and will continue to be!
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:38 am

Short answer:

Not all gates are the same size. It would cost a lot of money for DL to cede D concourse and modify any new space for the same services.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:25 pm

There really isn't anything to consolidate either anyway.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:49 pm

DL's operation at ATL is so huge and so spread out that I don't think the cost savings would have much of an impact. If anything, DL will keep their D gates while acquiring other gates rather than trading D gates for other ones...
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:01 pm

I think this is the third time I've heard this rumor this summer.

Delta is not swapping concourses with Air Tran. They will be operating out of C north and D north (along with the NW gates on D south) for the foreseeable future. They just spent a fortune prior to the summer ramp up inslalling jetways for the DCI ops and completely renovated the ramp level breakrooms and office space. They also completed yet another Sky Club located on the lower level by D27. A few more projects are in the works for next year. They're not moving.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:37 pm

Quoting cslusarc (Thread starter):
I was wondering why DL has ops at all six concourses?

Because that makes all six consourses "Delta" concourses with a few other airlines sharing space. That way no matter where someone goes in the ATL airport - they see Delta as the main presence.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:51 pm

Still waiting to see how UA is going to consolidate with CO at ATL, hopefully on the T concourse.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:48 pm

Quoting cslusarc (Thread starter):
I was just reading something about the possibility of WN/FL and DL swapping gates so the new WN can consolidate at concourse D. I was wondering why DL has ops at all six concourses? I think that DL could consolidate all its domestic (and pre-cleared) ops to concourses T, A, B and C. While International ops are concentrated at concourse E, but may depart from domestic gates.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
Because that makes all six consourses "Delta" concourses with a few other airlines sharing space. That way no matter where someone goes in the ATL airport - they see Delta as the main presence.

Oh, and they'll be the only lease holder on the new concourse F   when it opens in the Spring with 6 of the 12 gates. The other 6 will be CUTE.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:09 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Still waiting to see how UA is going to consolidate with CO at ATL, hopefully on the T concourse.

Terminal D also houses AC and US. Is there room in Concourse T for AC, CO/UA and US?
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 11):

Terminal D also houses AC and US. Is there room in Concourse T for AC, CO/UA and US?

Only if either American or Delta were to move out - neither of which will be happening. American has a great setup in Atlanta, with the former international baggage claim area as a private bag claim hall, a good sized Admirals Club and gates right next to the security checkpoint.

Delta has the whole T-South part to itself and it was recently refitted so that A330s could use it.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):


Still waiting to see how UA is going to consolidate with CO at ATL, hopefully on the T concourse.

Doubt they can fit everything into the three gates on T that United has. Three gates for 34 daily operations is just stretching it too thin. With gate reconfigurations it's possible, but still stretching it at four gates. Continental has four gates out on D plus the President's Club, plus it seems more likely they could get an extra gate out there (there are several city-owned CUTE gates out there).

Looking at the CO/UA schedule on 9/19 (34 departures, busiest day for the month), there are 2-3 periods in the day where 4 planes are needed at gates at once, and one period in the middle of the afternoon where five gates are needed (ORD, IAD, DEN, EWR and IAH flights) - and that's if everything goes perfectly, and we all know what weather in Chicago and New York can be like (let alone in the summer when you throw in T-Storms in Atlanta, Washington and Houston...)
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:42 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Still waiting to see how UA is going to consolidate with CO at ATL, hopefully on the T concourse.



I wonder about US airways moving to the UA gates on T concourse which would then allow UA to move into the US existing gates on D concourse. That would make all of the CO/UA gates on D with the Presidents Club.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:37 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 13):

If I was DL, UA, and US I'd take that scenario one step further. US would get the three T gates UA has, UA would get three of the DL gates on D south which are next to the CO gates, and DL would take the US gates and have all of the north half of D to itself. UA would also be right next to AC's gate and could take over ground handling for AC if they so chose.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:54 pm

As Star Alliance members would it make sense that AC, CO, UA and US be co-located in one terminal where they could share CO existing President's Club lounge and as a by-product of their co-location permit connections to be sold through ATL?.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:07 pm

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 15):
As Star Alliance members would it make sense that AC, CO, UA and US be co-located in one terminal where they could share CO existing President's Club lounge and as a by-product of their co-location permit connections to be sold through ATL?.

Considering all *A flights at ATL (except for IAH) go north I am not sure why they should be concerned about connections. US would be fine at T. I am not sure that US would go for it however because I think T-gates are more expensive to lease.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 12):
Delta has the whole T-South part to itself and it was recently refitted so that A330s could use it.
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
I am not sure that US would go for it however because I think T-gates are more expensive to lease.

They are. Only E is more expensive to use.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:41 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but what are CUTE gates?
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:53 pm

Common Use Gates.

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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting anshuk (Reply 18):
Pardon my ignorance, but what are CUTE gates?

Common-use Terminal Equipment. Available for use by the various airlines.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:42 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
They are. Only E is more expensive to use.

Is there a place (or do you know) the breakdown of gate "cost" per concourse? Also, how are gates "billed" (per plane, per hour of use, just a flat daily fee, etc...)
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:38 am

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 21):
Is there a place (or do you know) the breakdown of gate "cost" per concourse? Also, how are gates "billed" (per plane, per hour of use, just a flat daily fee, etc...)

Here you go. http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airpo.../Facilities/rates_and_charges.aspx

As for how billing works, it varies from airline to airline. I did an internship with Hartsfield some summers back so I have a general idea of how it works. I won't go into specifics on individual airline financing but i'll say it REALLY varies. The airport may require the money up front for each month from Airline X but they may allow 90 day billing cycles from Airline Y.

Haven't looked at this in some months but it seems like the fees have changed quite a bit.

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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:23 am

You know how much money ATL could make by socking DL with rent fees? They could be making a fortune. Instead the stupid GA legislature passes a special interest bill for the sole purpose of benefiting Delta. No special interest should get that kind of treatment, I don't care how important they are to the local economy.
 
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
You know how much money ATL could make by socking DL with rent fees? They could be making a fortune. Instead the stupid GA legislature passes a special interest bill for the sole purpose of benefiting Delta. No special interest should get that kind of treatment, I don't care how important they are to the local economy.

I can guarantee you that Delta pays their share of rent. And on top of that, they fund their own projects. The new underground bag belt system. About $100M, mostly funded by DL and helped by city bonds. Jetway project on C and D, 100% funded by DL.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:42 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
The other 6 will be CUTE.

I know what I mean by cute.......Rebecca DeMorney and Jennifer Anniston is cute.
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
You know how much money ATL could make by socking DL with rent fees? They could be making a fortune. Instead the stupid GA legislature passes a special interest bill for the sole purpose of benefiting Delta. No special interest should get that kind of treatment, I don't care how important they are to the local economy.

Sometimes in business, it helps both parties to have a good relationship rather than try and jip the other one out of money. If you see ATL raise fees to DL, you'll see DL re-route many flights if they are cheaper to operate elsewhere...
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RE: Why Does DL Operate Out Of Every ATL Concourse?

Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
You know how much money ATL could make by socking DL with rent fees? They could be making a fortune. Instead the stupid GA legislature passes a special interest bill for the sole purpose of benefiting Delta. No special interest should get that kind of treatment, I don't care how important they are to the local economy.

Or you give incentives for Delta to grow their business in Atlanta, which means additional revenue in the form of landing fees, taxes on materials such as fuel, etc. Not to mention the benefits the state gets from those extra people that might be headed to Georgia on said flights (such as hotel tax, sales tax, etc.).

The state ends up getting their money somehow at the end of the day.

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