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ANA Adds 787 Into Upcoming Flight Schedule

Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:51 am

Flights are there to be booked on their website.

2011 NOV 01

NH651 Haneda - Okayama 07:30 - 08:50 (replacing an A320!)

NH654 Okayama - Haneda 10:15 - 11:30

NH683 Haneda - Hiroshima 16:15 - 17:45 (also replacing an A320)

NH686 Hiroshima - Haneda 19:20 - 20:40

Looks like they are giving themselves six hours on the ground between flights and replacing the smallest type on each route.

Now then, I have to fly to from Hiroshima to Tokyo in November...         
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:52 am

Sensational!

I cant think of anything else to say but sensational!

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Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:12 am

This seems like two rather short routes for the 787, considering JAL's first 787 route is NRT-BOS!
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:28 am

Likely, as this is a completely new fleet type. I'll bet even UA and ANA will fly some shorter routes before launching BOS, FRA, AKL, etc. Perhaps the first UA route we see could be IAH-ORD!
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:27 am

Availability on 01November shows all 787 flight waitlisted but available for freesell on 02 November. Sounds like the 01 NOV flights will be for dignatories, employees, media etc. Maybe some NH employees can verify.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:50 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 2):
This seems like two rather short routes for the 787, considering JAL's first 787 route is NRT-BOS!

Crew training and familiarity among other things, being a brand new type there will be a bit of this to do, much the same as when the A380 was introduced to AF and they deployed it to LHR for example. Although SQ put the A380 straight onto the SYD route most other airlines are conservative in their initial destinations,
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:24 am

I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777. Then came right back to ATL on it about an hour or so later.  
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:55 am

Tried to book for mid-November, and get this:
*Reservations for Japan domestic flights must be made within 2months prior to the departure date.
WTF? Only 2 months in advance????? (and I meanANY flight, not just B787...)
Weird to me!
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:12 am

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 7):
Tried to book for mid-November, and get this:
*Reservations for Japan domestic flights must be made within 2months prior to the departure date.
WTF? Only 2 months in advance????? (and I meanANY flight, not just B787...)

Yep. Get used to it. Frustrating.

Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 6):
I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777.

Mmm. I flew ZRH-CDG-ZRH in April 1991 to get on the first SR MD11s. They went tech on both legs and I had the pleasure of yet two more flights on MD81s.  
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:35 am

Can't wait for these birds to fly to FRA early next year!! I desperately want to just go to Japan and just fly on one of these flights, but alas my bank account won't allow me to go thousands of dollars overdrawn  
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:53 pm

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 7):
Only 2 months in advance????? (and I meanANY flight, not just B787...)

Oh, there are ways around this. You can book "return" flights two weeks later than your first segment—even if they are beyond the 2 month limit. As well, if you are connecting to/from an international flight, you can book farther out. Finally, if you have an international flight on *A to/from Japan, you can book a *A Japan Air Pass.

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Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 6):
I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777

that alone, my friend, is an excellent reason!
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:23 pm

Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:38 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12):
Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?

The title caught me off guard also. I think it should read that ALL NIPPON MAKES 787 TRIPS BOOKABLE.....or something like that.
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:51 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12):
Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?

I'm really not trying to be mean, but your post reminds me of a recent Geico commercial ... something about a living under a rock.

The title of this topic is very misleading. ANA has NOT put the 787 into service. They have simply loaded it is the schedule. On Nov 1 we can post a topic saying it is in service.
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:02 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 15):
I'm really not trying to be mean, but your post reminds me of a recent Geico commercial ... something about a living under a rock.

Ha! Well I am no stranger to laughing at myself when I do stupid things. Although to my credit, August consisted of four 12-hour work days a week, and then weekends spent in Key West, Hilton Head Island, and Nicaragua... so this is the about the first free moment I have had in 30 days   

Quoting lapper (Reply 14):
You are http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releas...13064

Thanks for this. Very good to know. I am really excited to fly on this plane.
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:31 pm

Very nice; I am very happy and congrats to both parties, again? Why are they waiting so long on the ground?

Thank you for all comments/answers,

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Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:40 pm

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 2):
This seems like two rather short routes for the 787, considering JAL's first 787 route is NRT-BOS!

They never said that would be the first route, just the first overseas route. They'll likely do shorthaul runs for awhile just as NH is doing for the sake of getting the crews used to it.

Since I'm planning on going to school in Florida next year, I'm holding out hope UA will be doing some IAH-MCO runs when they get theirs.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:08 pm

When a new type is sold does Boeing usually send a team with that plane for it's first month in service just to help them get through any potential growing pains with it?
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 15):

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12):
Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?

I'm really not trying to be mean, but your post reminds me of a recent Geico commercial ... something about a living under a rock.

Well I don't live under a rock and I too missed this momentous announcement. Granted those of us on the east coast were preoccupied with the hurricane, but that didn't stop me from scanning both this site and regular news sites during that time (not necessarily looking for 787 certification, but it slipped by rather quietly IMHO.)
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:03 pm

Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 6):
I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777. Then came right back to ATL on it about an hour or so later

Lol, I was on one of those flights! Loved the new airplane smell!
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:39 pm

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 18):
Since I'm planning on going to school in Florida next year, I'm holding out hope UA will be doing some IAH-MCO runs when they get theirs.

I doubt it, as MCO is somewhat far from IAH compared to ATL. Plus MCO was a relatively large destination for DL back then. It is most likely that we will see inter-hub flights such as IAH-ORD or ORD-EWR, considering that the 787 is a relatively large aircraft.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:56 pm

Quoting airindia787 (Reply 22):
It is most likely that we will see inter-hub flights such as IAH-ORD or ORD-EWR, considering that the 787 is a relatively large aircraft.

Agreed, and they'll probably keep them out of ORD and EWR because of the day to day operational challenges there - there's no sense in making things any harder than they need to be with a new type. My money would be on routes involving IAH, DEN and LAX.
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:48 pm

I'd be curious where AC will launch their 787's? Put it on YVR - YYZ for the first month and then into Europe or South America? Or by that time will they just put it directly into a long haul service?
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:13 pm

Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 6):
I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777. Then came right back to ATL on it about an hour or so later.

So sad, back in the day when it was acceptable, in flight, for a cockpit visit.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777. Then came right back to ATL on it about an hour or so later.

You book your ticket yet? I'm sure I will for work. I last used NH on HNL-NRT. Love the product they offer.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:19 pm

Quoting PM (Thread starter):

The real first commercial flight is the charter to HKG on 26 October not the domestic ones.
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:00 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12):
Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?

Does FAA certification matter for an aircraft operating entirely outside the US?
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 15):
The title of this topic is very misleading. ANA has NOT put the 787 into service. They have simply loaded it is the schedule. On Nov 1 we can post a topic saying it is in service.

I edited the thread title to reflect this. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:43 pm

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Now then, I have to fly to from Hiroshima to Tokyo in November...

Jealousy....pure jealousy. We won't see it here at NGO in commercial service for a while. We just build sections for now.
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RE: ANA Adds 787 Into Upcoming Flight Schedule

Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:42 am

Quoting adamblang (Reply 27):
Does FAA certification matter for an aircraft operating entirely outside the US?

I am pretty sure they can't legally produce and deliver aircraft that isn't FAA certified regardless of the country it was sold into.
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RE: ANA Adds 787 Into Upcoming Flight Schedule

Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting adamblang (Reply 27):
Does FAA certification matter for an aircraft operating entirely outside the US?
Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 30):

I am pretty sure they can't legally produce and deliver aircraft that isn't FAA certified regardless of the country it was sold into.

If a Boeing aircraft is manufactured in U.S. territory then its certification is under the jurisdiction of the FAA.

Sometimes FAA standards are different than those of the receiving country's regulatory agency so an aircraft will be configured to FAA standards while in the U.S. then refurbished at its new home to meet its home countries regulatory standards. This sort of refurbishment is fairly uncommon, but it's certainly an artifact of maintaining aviation safety standards within bureaucracy. Furthermore, airlines may pay extra to configure their aircraft to meet the standards of any other regulatory agency they choose, in order to maintain high resale value of their aircraft. However, the highest value certifications tend to be JAA/EASA or FAA.
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RE: ANA Adds 787 Into Upcoming Flight Schedule

Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting airindia787 (Reply 22):
I doubt it, as MCO is somewhat far from IAH compared to ATL. Plus MCO was a relatively large destination for DL back then. It is most likely that we will see inter-hub flights such as IAH-ORD or ORD-EWR, considering that the 787 is a relatively large aircraft.
Quoting cubsrule (Reply 23):
Agreed, and they'll probably keep them out of ORD and EWR because of the day to day operational challenges there - there's no sense in making things any harder than they need to be with a new type. My money would be on routes involving IAH, DEN and LAX.

FWIW, historically CO introduced new types (particularly widebodies) on IAH-LAX/EWR/MCO and EWR-MCO/LAX. With hubs at IAH, IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, CLE, LAX, EWR - I'd expect to see them show up on IAH-ORD/DEN/LAX/EWR and maybe MCO for good measure.
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RE: ANA Adds 787 Into Upcoming Flight Schedule

Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:50 am

Quoting adamblang (Reply 27):
Does FAA certification matter for an aircraft operating entirely outside the US?

Legally no, but practically yes.

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 30):
I am pretty sure they can't legally produce and deliver aircraft that isn't FAA certified regardless of the country it was sold into.

It can, probably not economically, but it could be done.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 31):

If a Boeing aircraft is manufactured in U.S. territory then its certification is under the jurisdiction of the FAA.

Again, it usually is, but it could be done differently, IF the customer was prepared to pay for it.


Under the various conventions and treaties that govern international civil aviation, there is an assumption that the aircraft will be certified by each member state to its own standards. In practice the national airworthiness authority of the country of manufacture (FAA for USA) TYPE certifies the aircraft design to its published standards (NOT individual aircraft), the country of registration then accepts that type certifications as the basis for its own certification of the aircraft, with more, less or no modifications to meet its standards.

Theoretically if Boeing wanted to build an aircraft to say, EASA standards that did not meet FAA standards, then they could do so, BUT EASA would be totally responsible for the certification, probably not an economic position.

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RE: ANA Adds 787 Into Upcoming Flight Schedule

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:24 am

Just for what it's worth, the configuration is

F 12/Y252

That is according to the seatmap for NH 651.

the first 2 rows are F class, the other 32 rows are coach.

Finally it looks like boarding will occur through door 1L because it looks like the position of 2L, row 6, is treated like a regular exit row with 2 seats there.
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