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SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:18 pm

Carrier Will Add Las Vegas and Phoenix to Nonstop Destinations Out of Atlanta, Starting March 10, 2012

DALLAS, Sept. 5, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ --

Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) announced today that the carrier is expanding its service plan for Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport next year with two additional nonstop destinations, Las Vegas and Phoenix. For sale today, the carrier will add daily, roundtrip flights between Atlanta and Las Vegas and Atlanta and Phoenix for travel beginning March 10, 2012.

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/ea...reach-time-make-spring-break-plans

Some were wondering why PHX/LAS were not added in the first round, now we will see it in the second round!

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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:30 pm

Doesn't AirTran already serve the ATL-PHX route?
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:38 pm

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 1):
Doesn't AirTran already serve the ATL-PHX route?

Yes, as does Air Tran to LAS, DEN, MDW, HOU, and BWI. WN is adding what they call complimentary service in addition to what Air Tran serves. They will subtract one or two flights on the FL side, and add WN metal to those cities, keeping the daily flights around the same.

The only new market to ATL from both WN/FL so far is the AUS non stop.

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Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:38 pm

BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service.. enjoy wnfg  
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):
BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service.. enjoy wnfg

Indeed, looks like it is gone after 11Feb.

With WN leaving PHL-BOS, I will now agree with others that we will likely see PHL-MHT/PVD rise
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:37 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):
BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service

Once again great news for US in PHL. Philadelphians have chosen US again. I believe with this, PHL can officially be labeled as a failed experiment for WN. While they will never can MCO, TPA, MDW, and DEN, I could easily see HOU and RDU service being canned in the future.
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:42 pm

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
While they will never can MCO, TPA, MDW, and DEN, I could easily see HOU and RDU service being canned in the future

HOU before another spoke station? I find that odd...

WN still serves out of PHL...STL, BNA, JAX, RSW, PBI, PHX, LAS, on top of what you have already mentioned.

I am not disagreeing the failed statement, but WN is still big in PHL and still flying to a lot of destinations, more than a lot of spoke stations could hope to get. Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?

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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:58 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):
Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?


JAX is being axed in January. HOU started out at 2 daily and is down to 1 flight. It will be interesting to see but before one could do BOS/PVD/MHT-PHL-HOU as a one stop. After January, it will have to survive on all O&D
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:12 pm

Good, I guess all the people who were throwing a fit on the first thread about ATL service can now see that all their favorite stations will, in fact, eventually be added...

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
Once again great news for US in PHL. Philadelphians have chosen US again.

And that's a good thing?!? You have, in fact, flown on US before right?  
 
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Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:55 pm

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 4):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):
BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service.. enjoy wnfg

Indeed, looks like it is gone after 11Feb.

With WN leaving PHL-BOS, I will now agree with others that we will likely see PHL-MHT/PVD rise

That's a little bit shocking. B6 never even entered it.
 
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:41 am

I think this WN pr game is pathetic. Effective in May 2011 WN bought Airtran and since then has been serving ATL with a 100% wholey owned subsidary. These announcments would be teh same as Delta making a big deal about taking over a frequency that is now flown by Comair. YTD the only new route flown out of ATL is ATL-AUS. I'll be more excited when we see ATL-BDL or ATL-PVD or MTH or ISP... those would be new flights to new markets.
 
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:49 am

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 10):
Effective in May 2011 WN bought Airtran and since then has been serving ATL with a 100% wholey owned subsidary.

While true...before the announcement, you couldn't book Southwest Airlines to ATL. Nor could they allow a code sharing agreement to be placed on FL flights to ATL.

So for SWA Customers this is exciting news because it allows us to be able to book on southwest.com to ATL.

SOC has not occurred, so the wording of their article is quite correct, Southwest Airlines (themselves) will now finally be serving ATL via the respective cities they have mentioned.

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Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:57 am

To clarify my above post.... I think there is a simple reason WN has to take this approach instead of having the ability to code share over night like DL and NW did and like UA and CO are doing. My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput. Same reason why WN isn't on any travel sites for bookings. Also, I just thought of this too but I don't think the pilot dispute has been resolved and the contract has a no domestic code share clause.
 
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:02 am

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput.

Did they codeshare with TZ by magic?
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:16 am

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 13):
Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput.

Did they codeshare with TZ by magic?

Regardless, they are still unable to code share with FL even on the new ATL flights. ATA did not have Navitaire.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:24 am

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput.

It looks as though going cheap on their automation system might cause real problems with the integration of the two companies. Maybe WN should go back to the days of having cash registers at all of the ticket counters. I remember the days in the 1980s when a WN "ticket" was a cash register receipt.

Why does WN arbitrarily capitalize words in the middle of sentences in all of their press releases? For example, the word "customer" or its plural form always has a capital C even when it's in the middle of a sentence. German language rules dictate that all nouns are capitalized, but English does not work that way. Are all the people in the WN PR department native German speakers?
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:06 am

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
It looks as though going cheap on their automation system might cause real problems with the integration of the two companies. Maybe WN should go back to the days of having cash registers at all of the ticket counters.

Woah... chill out. WN's res system has worked for them just fine. Yes, it will most likely need updating in the not-so-distant future, but it's hardly "cash register" technology.

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
I remember the days in the 1980s when a WN "ticket" was a cash register receipt.

Have you seen JetBlue's boarding passes recently?

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):

Why does WN arbitrarily capitalize words in the middle of sentences in all of their press releases? For example, the word "customer" or its plural form always has a capital C even when it's in the middle of a sentence. German language rules dictate that all nouns are capitalized, but English does not work that way. Are all the people in the WN PR department native German speakers?

It's a pretty basic marketing/PR gimmick. Nothing to do with German (which, for the record, does not capitalize all nouns).
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:58 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Woah... chill out. WN's res system has worked for them just fine.

It may have worked fine in the past, but it doesn't seem to be working so well now that they're in the midst of a major merger.

What system does FL have? Maybe WN should consider converting to that.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:07 pm

Have they posted a PDF yet?

Form what I can gather for the New England Airports:

PVD +1 TPA (3) total of 24 daily flights
BDL +1 BWI (8) +1 MDW (3) total of 19 daily flights
MHT +1 TPA (3) total of 19 daily flights
BOS -5 PHL (0) -1 BWI (8) for tha total of 18 daily flights.
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
ATA did not have Navitaire.

I know, but it's wrong to assert that WN's IT system does not support any codesharing.
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:43 pm

AirTran uses Navitaire's NewSkies Reservations system. Southwest uses a version of the original Braniff's Cowboy system that has been modified over the years and now supported by Sabre (although this is not SabreSonic). WN plans to migrate to a new host system in the future and it is thought that Amadeus Altea and SabreSonic are the two front runners, but who knows?
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:57 pm

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):

I am not disagreeing the failed statement, but WN is still big in PHL and still flying to a lot of destinations, more than a lot of spoke stations could hope to get. Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?

In retrospect I wonder if SWA wished they had gone into Allentown instead of PHL----They pulled out of SFO and DEN before saying the delays were killing them and so this could be "way out" of Philadelphia.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 21):


In retrospect I wonder if SWA wished they had gone into Allentown instead of PHL----They pulled out of SFO and DEN before saying the delays were killing them and so this could be "way out" of Philadelphia.

WN wont dump PHL. But it's obvious it's not going to become a mini-BWI with loads of NE connections either. It's becoming a healthy spoke now, which with BWI down the road is what it should be.
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:58 pm

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 17):
It may have worked fine in the past, but it doesn't seem to be working so well now that they're in the midst of a major merger.

What system does FL have? Maybe WN should consider converting to that.

WN Tech Services tried to use the FL system and it was a disaster. There has been rumor there is a addon which will allow international service.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 7):
JAX is being axed in January. HOU started out at 2 daily and is down to 1 flight. It will be interesting to see but before one could do BOS/PVD/MHT-PHL-HOU as a one stop. After January, it will have to survive on all O&D

I thought there were TX and other west connections from HOU side.

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

That's a little bit shocking. B6 never even entered it.

Maybe they can enter it now. B6 has connections on the BOS side, e.g. PHL-BOS-SEA might work. B6 has red-eye returns from west coast to BOS, and with the return in the morning, it's the alternative to WN 9 hour day trip from west to east. Nonstop from US is preferred but when or if the fare is too high, people evaluate one stop options.

[Edited 2011-09-06 14:12:22]
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:41 pm

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
Maybe WN should go back to the days of having cash registers at all of the ticket counters. I remember the days in the 1980s when a WN "ticket" was a cash register receipt.

Hey that sounds like a great idea! It may result in everybody paying a regular (more expensive) Anytime or Off-peak fare and would end the practice of Advance fares that are inherent in current demand management tools. It may be a good thing for the airline and a bad thing for consumers.
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
It looks as though going cheap on their automation system might cause real problems with the integration of the two companies. Maybe WN should go back to the days of having cash registers at all of the ticket counters. I remember the days in the 1980s when a WN "ticket" was a cash register receipt.

Doesn't Airtran still use a receipt as "tickets".
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:55 am

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 24):

Maybe they can enter it now. B6 has connections on the BOS side

Not really, the geography of BOS as a "hub" is poor.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:02 am

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service
Once again great news for US in PHL. Philadelphians have chosen US again. I believe with this, PHL can officially be labeled as a failed experiment for WN. While they will never can MCO, TPA, MDW, and DEN, I could easily see HOU and RDU service being canned in the future.

It could be that WN is pulling back from one of the most delay-prone airports in the U.S. They also have EWR, BWI, and LGA within a two to three hour drive (not counting traffic). In fact, BWI is one of WN's biggest "hubs" which used to be a US hub before WN chased them out.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:32 am

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 28):
It could be that WN is pulling back from one of the most delay-prone airports in the U.S. They also have EWR, BWI, and LGA within a two to three hour drive (not counting traffic). In fact, BWI is one of WN's biggest "hubs" which used to be a US hub before WN chased them out.

WN is pulling back in PHL because many of their flights here performed absolutely horrendous. The list of formerly (or soon to be formerly) served destinations from PHL is simply shocking: AUS, BDL, BOS, CMH, JAX, LAX, MHT, MSY, OAK, PIT, PVD, SAT. I'm not sure if there is another city in WN's network that has experienced that many cuts, in terms of flights or destinations. And I wouldn't be surprised to see another 2-3 cities added to the last before all is said and done.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
I could easily see HOU and RDU service being canned in the future.
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):
HOU before another spoke station? I find that odd...
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):
Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?

JAX is already set to be discontinued as another poster has pointed out. I would expect RDU or HOU to be next casualty. In RDU, WN has dwindled to 3x daily service and is now at a severe disadvantage to US on this route from a schedule perspective as US offers 8-9x daily service to RDU.

HOU is a similar story where US and UA/CO combine to offer 7-8x daily service. While they aren't the same carrier, they are both in *A so there is the added challenge there.

Long-term, I'm not really sure how STL and BNA figure into the equation either. STL seems to be the recipient of several new flights to prominent east coast business centers, so perhaps it will stick around. BNA is much more of a question mark if you ask me. By 2012, the only northeast/mid-atlantic cities that will have service to BNA is BWI and PHL. Noticeably absent are BOS, EWR and LGA while BDL, ISP, MHT, and PVD have all lost service to BNA at some point.

I'm not sure that WN would exit PHL-RSW entirely, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the service become a winter seasonal route.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 24):

I thought there were TX and other west connections from HOU side.

You are correct, but the only real cities that provide WN any meaningful volume are AUS and SAT.


Quoting Flytravel (Reply 24):
Maybe they can enter it now. B6 has connections on the BOS side
Quoting enilria (Reply 27):
Not really, the geography of BOS as a "hub" is poor

I'd be surprised if B6 doesn't launch this route at some point, but like enilria says, it won't be because of potential connecting feed at BOS. The E90 a much better plane for a competitor on this route than a 73G, so B6 would have that going for them. Furthermore, they have are becoming an important player in BOS - an advantage WN did not have on this route.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:23 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 29):
In RDU, WN has dwindled to 3x daily service and is now at a severe disadvantage to US on this route from a schedule perspective as US offers 8-9x daily service to RDU.

I concur. Without the feed from the cities north of PHL, the RDU flights will probably flounder and be cut by next fall. I do think the HOU and BNA flights will stick around however.
 
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:29 pm

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 18):
PVD +1 TPA (3) total of 24 daily flights

Let's not forget, PVD gains a daily DEN roundtrip in January, thanks to the PHL pulldown.

[Edited 2011-09-07 07:31:10]
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:31 pm

Quoting John (Reply 31):
Let's not forget, PVD gains a daily DEN roundtrip in January.

Well that was in the last change and that was actualy a swap for PHX
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RE: SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL

Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:11 pm

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
I think there is a simple reason WN has to take this approach instead of having the ability to code share over night like DL and NW did and like UA and CO are doing. My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput. Same reason why WN isn't on any travel sites for bookings. Also, I just thought of this too but I don't think the pilot dispute has been resolved and the contract has a no domestic code share clause.

The last reason you cited -- the no domestic code share clause -- is the most likely as to why we're not seeing the WN code on FL flights. Southwest used to be on the CRS's until 1994, when United and Continental booted them off of the CRS's they owned at the time. Southwest isn't on the travel sites for the same reason we've seen the recent dust-ups between American and Expedia, Orbitz & Travelocity -- Southwest doesn't want to pay the CRS booking fees that come with participation on those sites.

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