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UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:26 pm

Does anyone have an idea who will crew UA's new routes to IAH and EWR once the merger is complete? It seems as though UAL's London-based FAs fly most if not all of the trips out of LHR. Will this still be the case with the new routes to Houston and Newark, or will they still be crewed by IAH and EWR based FAs.? Just curious.
 
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:30 pm

Depends very much when the FA group gets a joint CBA, and whats in that CBA including the status of foreign bases.

Until then, the ex-CO folks continue to fly CO planes, and ex-UA ones fly the UA planes.
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Jamake1
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:40 pm

With the continued cross-fleeting of equipment going on, it is quite possible that LHR-EWR/IAH could see UA's LHR-based F/A's being crewed on the flights, should UCH decide to place UA's 3-class aircraft on CO's LHR routes. A joint CBA need not be negotiated prior for that to happen. UA's HNL-based F/A's will begin working CO's HNL-GUM flights starting next month.
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:33 am

What is going on in the HKG FA base with CO Mike FA shifting off HNL-GUM-NRT flights and on to NRT-HKG-SGN / SIN ??? or are they very busy with HKG-ORD and SFO ???
 
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:33 am

Can someone remind me if those LHR based flight attendants are US Citizens (or Green Card holders) or are they EU Nationals?
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:19 am

Some are UK Citizens per US law all must hold Green Cards to work ..Hold Over from PanAm Days
 
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:29 am

Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):
Some are UK Citizens per US law all must hold Green Cards to work

The non US crews in the UK do not have green cards and dont need to. They do not fly domestically only internationally so a green card is not required.
 
Jamake1
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:42 am

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 4):
Can someone remind me if those LHR based flight attendants are US Citizens (or Green Card holders) or are they EU Nationals?

All of United's foreign bases have a mixture of both. Both LHR and FRA have Americans as well as EU citizens, with LHR having the largest concentration of former Pan Am F/A's....most of whom reside throughout the U.K. and Europe. FRA absorbed a significant portion of the French F/A's following the company's closure of the CDG base. Hence, FRA has a nice mix of French, German, and American crewmembers.

In Asia, both HKG and NRT bases are staffed with Americans as well as Asian nationals, although HKG has not been opened for American transfers since Hong Kong reverted back to Chinese jurisdiction. The NRT base absorbed a significant percentage of the TPE-based F/A's when the company closed the crew base in TPE.

I think that UA's foreign-based flight attendants really help to elevate the United onboard product and company brand. As a whole, then tend to adhere to better uniform grooming standards and are more adept at executing the service to company standards. This can also be attributed to the fact that UA's foreign-based F/A's generally operate 1 or 2 aircraft types, whereas in the U.S., UA F/A's operate varied A/C types and fly both domestic and international routes. Naturally, there's better consistency when one is working a single A/C type and working routes with the same service levels day in and day out.

I have several American friends based in LHR who claim that their job experience there is like working for a completely different airline (one for the better).
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:56 am

Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):
Some are UK Citizens per US law all must hold Green Cards to work ..Hold Over from PanAm Days

Sorry, but that's not correct information. Most of the foreign-based flight attendants, whether LHR, FRA, NRT, or HKG, are NOT green card holders. They cannot transfer to U.S. bases whereas American-based F/A's are allowed to transfer to foreign bases. For example, an EU F/A who is based in LHR and who is NOT a green card holder, can transfer to FRA, but cannot transfer to any U.S. base (HNL, SFO, LAX, SEA, LAS, DEN, ORD, BOS, JFK, DCA*)

*A DCA-based F/A at United covers BWI, IAD, and DCA, however the domicile designator is DCA, not IAD.
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:55 am

Is it likely CO crew will be endorsed on the 744?
 
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:07 pm

Who is United giving these Greens cards to ????

Since 2001, United Airlines has submitted totally 554 Labor Condition Application(LCA) for H1B Visa, 239 Labor Certification(LC) for Green Card, including, traditioal cases, Reduction in Recruitment (RIR) cases and Program Electronic Review Management (PERM) cases.
 
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:24 pm

239 green cards and 554 H1B visas in 10 years is not much for such a large company. It is probably more for management/HQ rather than crews. Usually these are attributed when a firm can prove that the abilities required for a job in the US cannot be readily found in the US workforce.

It seems to me that this could mostly be IT professionals (who often come from India or China) and a few cases of upeer management.
 
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RE: UA LHR FA Base And New CO Routes

Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:15 pm

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 7):
I think that UA's foreign-based flight attendants really help to elevate the United onboard product and company brand. As a whole, then tend to adhere to better uniform grooming standards and are more adept at executing the service to company standards.

This was certainly my experience a few years back when I flew out of the UK with an IAD based crew and back from JFK with a LHR crew. The IAD crew were scruffy, very badly groomed (hair and make-up on the females were a complete mess). They were also only interested in their own on-going conversations with each other - mostly comprising gossip about their colleagues on the flight and who had done what on the LHR layover - yes they were THAT indiscrete - throughout the entire flight, practically ingoring the passengers except when they reluctantly served a meal, barely making eye-contact even then. On the return, with LHR crew, they were smart, polite, attentive, working together efficiently as a team. They were regularly checking passengers were ok, making discreet passes throught the cabin even during the night hours. It really was like flying with two different airlines!
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