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Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:48 pm

In addition to the previously announced year round service from OGG to OAK, HA announced today that they will begin flying from OGG to SJC.
Hawaiian Airlines will begin flying between San Jose and Maui in January.
The three-times-a-week flights will depart Kahului Airport at 1:25 p.m. Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, arriving at Mineta San Jose International Airport at 8:25 p.m. Return flights arrive in Kahului at 11:45 a.m. Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. 3 times per week.



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http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...-newsArticle&ID=1604001&highlight=

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:53 pm

Awesome news for us at SJC! I can't wait to see two widebodies here at the same time. I wonder where that one will park, will they reactive Gate 3 for this flight?

I just hope with AS flying it daily as well it can sustain.

Congrats SJC and HA!
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:37 pm

More Hawaiians and widebodies at SJC are always good things!
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:53 pm

well HAL woke up and "smelled the coffee".......they had to do something!!
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:10 pm

What took them so long? I was wondering how long they would just let AS keep adding Hawaii flights without responding!
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:21 pm

Are you people crazy? Do you think planes just grow on trees? A huge reason why HA hasn't been "responding" to Alaska is that they don't have available a/c! With the deliveries of the 332s, it frees up 763s for new flying. Further, the economics on a route with HAs 763 are different than those of the Alaska 737s. Some markets don't need as many seats, therefore, markets that AS sees as economically viable, may not be so, for Hawaiian.


Nice to see HA spreading their wings.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:26 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 5):
Are you people crazy? Do you think planes just grow on trees? A huge reason why HA hasn't been "responding" to Alaska is that they don't have available a/c! With the deliveries of the 332s, it frees up 763s for new flying. Further, the economics on a route with HAs 763 are different than those of the Alaska 737s. Some markets don't need as many seats, therefore, markets that AS sees as economically viable, may not be so, for Hawaiian.

We knew that thank-you. My point was that they waited too long and now AS is fully entrenched----they let the mainland market be penetrated while they decided to go East---now it appears that they are scambling to defend what little turf they have left and in my opinion they should have invested in a narrow body ETOPS fleet to give them the flexibility AS now enjoys.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:31 pm

so as of now for OGG - Mainland only LAX, SAN and PHX are not served from OGG. Any possibility of these coming online?
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:33 pm

So you're saying they should have spent MILLIONS on a new fleet, just to compete with AS? That's nuts. Should they have abandoned their plans for Asia in favor chasing after thing Hawaii flying? Or are you saying they should have done both? AS and HA have very different business models and aren't really comparable.

I see your points, but disagree. I don't think it appears Hawaiian is "scrambling" at all. They add capacity incrementally when the economics are viable. That's good business. Hawaiian doesn't have to fly every single route possible and it would be a ridiculous business practice to do so. Sometimes it's just not worth the competition.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:51 pm

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 4):
What took them so long? I was wondering how long they would just let AS keep adding Hawaii flights without responding!

Aggressively adding higher yielding Asian flights instead.. i'll take that tradeoff any day. Sure they have left some traffic out there they could have gone after with Aloha/ATA demise, etc.. but many of the AS routes wouldn't be great without narrowbody a/c. Surely bay area-maui should be able to be successful with the 767! One thing I have wondered is why HA avoid LAX-OGG.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:54 pm

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 1):
I wonder where that one will park, will they reactive Gate 3 for this flight?

Barring any delays, they only need 1 gate. The schedule shows HA45 departing SJC-OGG at 8:10am. HA43 SJC-HNL shows a departure time of 9:40am. The arrival time of HA46 OGG-SJC is 8:25pm and HA44 HNL-SJC is 9:45pm. 1:30 between departures and 1:20 between arrivals should be more than enough time to handle both flights from the same gate.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):
well HAL woke up and "smelled the coffee".......they had to do something!!
Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 4):
What took them so long? I was wondering how long they would just let AS keep adding Hawaii flights without responding!

HA didn't have to nor did they respond to anything done by AS. They are doing fine on their Mainland-Hawaii routes. HA is still flying daily flights to HNL and OGG from SEA and PDX with extra seasonal service to SEA, which directly competes with AS. Soon they will compete directly on SAN-HNL. HA has not dropped any flights due to AS being in the market, they have only added flights.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:02 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 9):
One thing I have wondered is why HA avoid LAX-OGG.

Same reason they pulled out of SFO-OGG (UA), except that they have to fight DL/AA in LAX as well as UA.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 8):
Sometimes it's just not worth the competition

Indeed that says it all

Quoting ha763 (Reply 10):
HA has not dropped any flights due to AS being in the market, they have only added flights.

No they have not dropped any flights which is not the point---the point is that ATA and Aloha dropped large number of flights when they went under---my point is that it appears AS is picking up these versus HAL and that is fine that HAL has another strategy.....my point was simply that some of us find it surprising.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:58 am

It's exciting to hear this news as any new service is welcomed in San Jose. Time will tell if all this Hawaii service will last.. I am sure fares will drop a bit which means Aloha! for me next year. Yay!!!!!! I am sure they will use one gate, but rest assured we have plenty of gates available should they need it.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:10 am

That's great news. I hope HAL does well. It must be when HAL gets the next A330, I know they have been returning 767 off lease. I know 2 went back, and I think a 3rd. I also guess that will be the time SFO gets A330 service  
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 9):
One thing I have wondered is why HA avoid LAX-OGG.

Just last night flew one of the most miserable flights I have ever taken OGG back to LAX. OMG, those 757s are tired and 30" pitch is absolute insanity. NEVER again will I take the DL birds until those things are in the desert and done. I would love Hawaiian to do LAX-OGG, preferably with a WB, maybe with a tag on to Kauai it could work?

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:41 am

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 1):

Do any gates in terminal B fit a 767? Or can two gates side by side in either terminal be reconfigured to fit the big bird?
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:47 am

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 5):
With the deliveries of the 332s, it frees up 763s for new flying.

I thought the A332s coming this year and next were replacing 767s being returned to lessors. Have leases on 767s been extended?
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:00 pm

AFAIK, there were indeed 2 763s that were returned, but for the time being the fleet will grow as the 332s arrive with more 763s leaving later. Perhaps HALFA can chime in.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:03 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 18):
AFAIK, there were indeed 2 763s that were returned, but for the time being the fleet will grow as the 332s arrive with more 763s leaving later. Perhaps HALFA can chime in.

That is correct. Most of the 767 leases were extended or they were purchased outright. The 767 will be in HA's fleet for the foreseeable future.

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 12):
No they have not dropped any flights which is not the point---the point is that ATA and Aloha dropped large number of flights when they went under---my point is that it appears AS is picking up these versus HAL and that is fine that HAL has another strategy.....my point was simply that some of us find it surprising.

Why should it be surprising?
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:50 pm

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 20):
The route has to fit - financially and fleet wise.

Agree and apparently AS feels it does and HAL does not and thus made the fleet decisions they did based on what their business plan was---all I am saying is that I am surprised that AS and HAL could see the opportunities on these mainland routes so differently

Is is ok for me to say I am surprised at this----why should that bother you...
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 21):
Agree and apparently AS feels it does and HAL does not and thus made the fleet decisions they did based on what their business plan was---all I am saying is that I am surprised that AS and HAL could see the opportunities on these mainland routes so differently

Exactly. HA has 767s that seat 264 people. AS has 737s that seat 160. Most of the markets that AS is serving can't take a 767. Why isn't AS flying LAX & SFO to Hawaii? They are HUGE markets!! Why doesn't AS see the opportunity?? Perhaps they'd rather serve them via codeshares, or connections...business decisions...similar to the ones HA made.

If HA had smaller aircraft they might have opened those routes, Perhaps they don't like the economics of the 737. HA could have bought AQ's operation for very little money but decided not to. HA is making money and has been consistently for 10 years. AS is also profitable. Both made the right decisions for them based on their fleets & route structure. Just because AS is successful on a route DOES NOT mean HA would be also.

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting aloha73g (Reply 22):
Why isn't AS flying LAX & SFO to Hawaii? They are HUGE markets!! Why doesn't AS see the opportunity??

Because they're huge, already well-served markets. That's why.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:57 pm

This is good news, I like HA, and one of the reason why, is that they believe in wide bodies. Now I am more of a fan of their A332s, but their 763s with winglets, are pretty smart looking also.

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:21 pm

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 7):
so as of now for OGG - Mainland only LAX, SAN and PHX are not served from OGG. Any possibility of these coming online?

I assume you're talking about HA service. If so, SJC, OAK, LAS, PDX and SEA have (or will have) OGG service on HA; SMF, SFO, LAX, PHX, and SAN do not. Therefore, half of their mainland, non-Alaska cities are now connected nonstop to Maui.

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:40 pm

The idea of HA & AS merging is obviously quite far fetched, but wouldn't the route map look cool?
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:31 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 26):
The idea of HA & AS merging is obviously quite far fetched, but wouldn't the route map look cool?

Personally, I'd love to see HA become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Alaska Air Group. Keep the HA name and operation separate, harmonize the routes and equipment between the two carriers - it'd be a formidable West Coast juggernaut! Shared services for management, purchasing, etc.

However, it also flies in the face of the current move at AS to operate as a single brand, phasing out the Horizon Air brand, so I don't think it'd ever happen.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:02 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 27):
Personally, I'd love to see HA become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Alaska Air Group

Let's throw in Island Air and watch everyone complain about it being a monopoly.   
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New OGG-SJC Flight

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:54 am

Quoting gmcc (Reply 28):
Let's throw in Island Air and watch everyone complain about it being a monopoly.

Alaska Airlines employees already hear about that constantly!   
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