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QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:53 pm

I saw the following and wonder if it has any merit.

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/344866-interesting-777-order/

It says GECAS's order of 8 77W could be for QF and QF is training 777 pilots at CX.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:56 pm

Doubt it and it's been discussed to death on here.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:01 pm

It would be lovely, but the original poster on the other board - IF (a big if) his story is true, really should keep his mouth shut fingers and fingers holstered. When told something in confidence, he should know better and I feel for his father now that his son has blabbed.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:10 pm

Quoting cosmofly (Thread starter):
QF is training 777 pilots at CX

All I can say in response to that, is that when external training is done like this (for example when CX trained Virgin Australia A330 crews), CX management informs the pilot union in writing.

No such advice has been forthcoming to date regarding QF.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:20 pm

Though the order is speculationoas of now the 77W would make a great replacement for the older 747-400s and serve as a great size median between the A380 and the A330-300 and 787-9. I'm hoping it is not just another repeat rumor.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:30 pm

Man I hope they order it. It's not too late to order it. Just because other aircraft will be coming out in the future with economics that are a bit better, the 77W is a very very efficient airplane and can make an airline a lot of money.

If they were to get it, I have a feeling they would like the efficiency and performance so much that they would order additional frames. BA is said to be loving theirs.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:30 pm

QF missed the bus with the 777 years ago. Whatever their management say, not including in their fleet what is probably the best medium density long-distance passenger plane in the skies the past decade was a dumb decision. It would also have looked great in QF colours (smile). Air New Zealand also missed the same bus, but swallowed its pride a few years ago, and did something about it. Their 777's are doing very well for them, now, it seems. Emirates has shown both airlines a thing or three about aircraft choice since they arrived downunder. It is their use of the amazing 777 that QF needs to learn a bit from. The new generation is just about here now, so new buses to catch. For me, for what it's worth, I would have liked the 747-8, as Lufthansa has done. But they won't go there, either (smile)

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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:03 pm

Quoting antskip (Reply 6):
QF missed the bus with the 777 years ago.

Carriers are still ordering them en masse so if QF get them quickly the will not have missed it.. 

That being said, from the thread source:

"My father is good friends with the owner of airliners.net"

A.net is owned by Demand Media, no?

Demand Media is a publicly traded company.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DMD&ql=0
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:04 pm

There have also been claims/rumors that QF pilots have trained here in Seattle on the 777 simulators.

Personally, the only way I see QF adding the 777 is via a lease and if they were going to lease from anyone, I believe it would be GECAS.

That being said, I'll believe it when I see a 77W in QF livery lift off of SYD with passengers aboard.  
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:06 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
That being said, I'll believe it when I see a 77W in QF livery lift off of SYD with passengers aboard

Hopefully headed non-stop to SFO!!!
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:29 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
Quoting antskip (Reply 6):
QF missed the bus with the 777 years ago.

Carriers are still ordering them en masse so if QF get them quickly the will not have missed it..

Sure the 777 is still very current. But I doubt they will stray from the huge and the medium small. I feel the 747-8, however, should be in their revised plans - after all, they have a core of older generation 747s', and are not committing so heavily to the A380 as they might - a group of scheduled A380's is being put off until they function as replacements for the 747. Why not replace like with like? A small contingent of 747-8's along with however many A380 they need might provide a better mix / flexibility?...
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:50 pm

Perhaps some 77Ws, if this is true, could be for Qantas Group rather than QF. The proposed Asian longhaul carrier will need some aircraft!
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:28 pm

They might want to get some 77Ls while they're at it to solve their issues operating to DFW.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:45 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
That being said, I'll believe it when I see a 77W in QF livery lift off of SYD with passengers aboard

Frankly, I'd still be have my doubts! It could still be a trick with smoke & mirrors!

While after 40 years observing the airline industry I hesitate to anything is impossible, this one is definitely in the improbable category. Actually I think Zeke killed this particular rumor it in reply 3.

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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:52 pm

Quoting antskip (Reply 10):
I feel the 747-8, however, should be in their revised plans - after all, they have a core of older generation 747s',

I think the B748 is completely out for QF. Either they will just stick their current B744's for a longer period of time or will take their A380's earlier. No need for them to take B748's. I see the B77W has a better "gap filler" than a B748I.

Regardless, I've heard one-too many of these rumours.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:47 am

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 5):
It's not too late to order it.

It is.

Quoting antskip (Reply 6):
Air New Zealand also missed the same bus, but swallowed its pride a few years ago, and did something about it

I doubt they had 12 A380s on order at the time (+12 options) though, plus orders for the 787.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:28 am

Can I also just say that Australian airlines cannot hide aircraft orders like other airlines around the world. If they intend to take delivery of aircraft then they have to announce it to the ASX immediately or risk facing enormous fines/action against executive staff. And they're hardly sending pilots for training if they haven't signed a contract with a leasing company/Boeing...

We will know about a QF order for the 777 pretty much as soon as it happens (not that it's going to...)
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
Can I also just say that Australian airlines cannot hide aircraft orders like other airlines around the world.

This wouldn't be a QF order. It would be a lease, possibly for a shorter period of time than a typical 20 year ownership period.

That said, I don't think this story has merit.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:43 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 18):
This wouldn't be a QF order. It would be a lease, possibly for a shorter period of time than a typical 20 year ownership period.

They've still committed to taking additional aircraft, and would still have to announce it as soon as the contract was signed. And like I said, you don't send pilots for training if you're not 100% certain you're getting the planes.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:15 am

Can't see it happening.

Alan Joyce made a huge announcement on QF International in mid-August. He cannot change it completely by adding another fleet type without giving the impression that QF is completely devoid of strategy. It would have been good but it's not happening any time soon.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:43 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 20):
Can't see it happening.

Alan Joyce made a huge announcement on QF International in mid-August. He cannot change it completely by adding another fleet type without giving the impression that QF is completely devoid of strategy. It would have been good but it's not happening any time soon.

I agree.

Qantas has orders for A380's, B787's and B737's (with A320 fleet for JQ, JQJ, JQA etc). If anything Qantas will commit to the B787-10 that Boeing is committed to building now. QF wants new technology aircraft and the B777 (despite what a great work horse it is, no doubting it would have been the best choice for Qantas!) is from what I'm told regarded by QF as old technology given that its a product from the 1990's. With new technology aircraft comes lower costs - Qantas needs to transform it's business - and everything associated with that. As above, the international business is not making money, so they need to curb spending apart from what the board has already committed to for existing orders.

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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:06 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 21):
If anything Qantas will commit to the B787-10 that Boeing is committed to building now

Probably what will happen.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 21):
) is from what I'm told regarded by QF as old technology given that its a product from the 1990's.

If its "old technology" then why are some of the premier carriers in the world (a few who are kicking QF's ar$e) still ordering? Maybe QF need to re-evaluate what their definition of "old technology" is.
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:25 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
Probably what will happen.

A 787-10 would work well for QF. If they order it then they even not take their last 6 A380s 8 years down the track -- a moderately high density 787-10 would be perfect for their flights into Asia, and depending on range could potentially stretch to routes like BNE-LAX or SIN-FRA (I doubt it though).

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
If its "old technology" then why are some of the premier carriers in the world (a few who are kicking QF's ar$e) still ordering? Maybe QF need to re-evaluate what their definition of "old technology" is.

Agreed. Add to that the fact that the 77W/77L are really 2000s technology. The 77W is pretty much on par with the A380 in terms of the technology available (I'm assuming here that the A380's design freeze was probably around 2004 somewhere) -- yet nobody says that the A380 is 'old' technology yet.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:17 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 23):
If they order it then they even not take their last 6 A380s 8 years down the track -

But won't their B744's will be getting quite up there in the cycles? Also, I expect the A380's in 2016, 2017, etc. to be bit more efficient than the current A380's..  

Quoting qf002 (Reply 23):
a moderately high density 787-10 would be perfect for their flights into Asia

  

Quoting qf002 (Reply 23):
and depending on range could potentially stretch to routes like BNE-LAX or SIN-FRA (I doubt it though).

The B787-10X would have to be about a 6500-6600nm plane..not sure if it will be possible. That being said - a recent article:

"The conceptual Boeing 787-10X, a stretch of the 787-9 due for entry into service in 2013, will have seating for 320 passengers and a range capability of 6,900nm (12,600km), said Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice-president of business development Nicole Piasecki."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...y-defines-787-10x-performance.html

Quoting qf002 (Reply 23):
Agreed. Add to that the fact that the 77W/77L are really 2000s technology. The 77W is pretty much on par with the A380 in terms of the technology available (I'm assuming here that the A380's design freeze was probably around 2004 somewhere) -- yet nobody says that the A380 is 'old' technology yet.

I agree. The B77W is second to none in its class and is only improving. One would think QF management were reading A.net....then again, there are a few here on A.net who are smarter than QF management..  
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:25 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
But won't their B744's will be getting quite up there in the cycles? Also, I expect the A380's in 2016, 2017, etc. to be bit more efficient than the current A380's.. 

They could use 787-10s to replace 747s to destinations like NRT, HKG and SIN, and potentially further reaching destinations like BNE-LAX. Maybe they take another couple of A380s to cover SCL/JNB, but aside from those all the 747 routes can be replaced with 787s if they are the more efficient option.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
The B787-10X would have to be about a 6500-6600nm plane..not sure if it will be possible. That being said - a recent article:

It really comes down to what Boeing decides customers want. Having seem the 773 sales compared with the 77W they might be more inclined to do a bit more to get a more capable bird out there from the start to make it more attractive to 777 operators looking for replacements early next decade in the face of the A350 family. Having said that, they might decide to just lengthen the 789 and leave everything else as it (which would defs not make BNE-LAX)

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
then again, there are a few here on A.net who are smarter than QF management..

Like all of us??  
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:12 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 21):
Qantas has orders for A380's, B787's and B737's (with A320 fleet for JQ, JQJ, JQA etc). If anything Qantas will commit to the B787-10 that Boeing is committed to building now. QF wants new technology aircraft and the B777 (despite what a great work horse it is, no doubting it would have been the best choice for Qantas!) is from what I'm told regarded by QF as old technology given that its a product from the 1990's. With new technology aircraft comes lower costs - Qantas needs to transform it's business - and everything associated with that. As above, the international business is not making money, so they need to curb spending apart from what the board has already committed to for existing orders.

And having 1990s technology has to be better than having 1960s technology right? Could be that these are going to replace the 747 fleet entirely and be an interim solution until the 787-10s arrive, which given managements desire to reduce it's capital outlay, could be sometime off.

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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:17 pm

Dream on - wont happen, I'm afraid.

A332, 789, A359, 744ER and A380 is QF's long-haul future. 77W almost no chance unless Boeing does a 777NGX thing


Yes but even if that is true - and there's nothing formal yet - its going to be several years until Boeing get round to building the thing, by which time the A350 will be up and running, and my understanding has always been that QF was intending on doing a deal for A350s that involved replacing the A330s one for one and selling them back to Airbus as part of the deal, but that was before the 777NG was formulated.

We shall see. My gut says QF - like BA - are waiting for the final iteration of the A3510 to find out how capable she is going to be before making a decision, but could order 20+ A359s tomorrow and do very well with them.

Interesting battle coming up. New kid on the block super A350 vs the revamped legendary old favourite.

[Edited 2011-09-10 12:09:57 by SA7700]

[Edited 2011-09-10 12:12:19 by SA7700]
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:22 pm

Quoting Chrisba777er (Reply 32):
A332, 789, A359, 744ER and A380 is QF's long-haul future. 77W almost no chance unless Boeing does a 777NGX thing.

I don't even see the A332 in there tbh. They only have 4 international frames as it is and only really use them on AKL-LAX and LAX-JFK (others are just dotted frequencies -- one weekly to HKG, one weekly to NRT etc), and as 787s come into the fleet one would assume that those 4 will join the domestic A332s where the efficiency advantages may be less important and they can help rid us of creaky old 767s  
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:57 pm

Quoting Chrisba777er (Reply 32):
A332, 789, A359, 744ER and A380 is QF's long-haul future.

If we are talking about how the QF fleet will look in about ten years time, I'd suggest we can take the 767, A330 and 744 out of the equation.

In essence this means QF international are heading back towards a two aircraft type operation.

In comparison, currently, the majority of QF's competitors operate a combination of A330, 777 and A380 aircraft.......so I'm not to sure a QF two aircraft type strategy would remain relevant in the modern era.

Although, I have some doubts about the rumour, I can see the 777 being part of QF international in the future.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:46 pm

I was told by an insider who would know that the 77W would happen if fuel prices got beyond an unspecified level and made the replacement of the 747's economically viable.
Think about it, on LAX-BNE about 6400nm ESAD the max. payload for a 744 is ~ 39.6t and the cost of a full tank of fuel based on the current IATA price survey is $166.6K . The 77W max payload for this distance is 53t with a full tank cost of $147.8K. Fuel prices are about 46% higher than one year ago.

[Edited 2011-09-10 12:19:11 by SA7700]
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:58 pm

From what I was able to gather from various resources, it was about >$120/barrel. There was more talk of this back in 2008 when oil was really going up. Even recently when "black gold" was at the $100/mark, there was some chatter. Nothing substantial however.

Unfortunately, I just don't see QF going with any B77's... 

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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:17 pm

Actually I count that as only TWO different types. IF the manufactures had met their orginally contracted time line the B744 would have gone, replaced by A380 and the B767 replaced by B787s with the interim A330 to JQ.

It didn't bother mentioning the overlap during the phase in phase out of aircraft types. It's really only become noticeable with the current long delays by both manufactures.

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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:16 pm

I believe things have changed in the meantime. The crack spread is widening. One source showed that for 2010 the average WTI price was $79.48 /b with the average Jet A at $90.26/b a spread of $10.78/b.

At this time the WIT price is about $87 with the IATA table for Sept. 2nd showing the Jet A price at $128.80/b. A significant increase in the spread. Apparently the highest spread in recent times dates back to a time in 2005 when it reached $60.00/b. The present spread is moving closer to this high!

[Edited 2011-09-10 12:23:14 by SA7700]
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:24 pm

The 777-300ER would be good for DFW
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:56 pm

Quoting Chrisba777er (Reply 34):
Yes but even if that is true - and there's nothing formal yet - its going to be several years until Boeing get round to building the thing, by which time the A350 will be up and running, and my understanding has always been that QF was intending on doing a deal for A350s that involved replacing the A330s one for one and selling them back to Airbus as part of the deal, but that was before the 777NG was formulated.

Sorry, you are guessing just as much re 359s at QF as others are re 77Ws. They have never suggested any intent to purchase 359s and 787-10Xs would be way more likely IMO and eventually I see a 777NG v 350-1000 competition. The 359 is too close in range and capacity to the 789 to be seriously considered IMO.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:12 am

Quoting dfwdfw (Reply 41):
The 777-300ER would be good for DFW

No, it would be slightly improved.

Perhaps you meant 77L?

Either way, it's a hypothetical argument because the frames wouldn't be delivered before they can get the A380 onto the route.

I presume this isn't news to QF: 787 Gets Common Type Rating With 777 (by pygmalion Sep 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)
I always thought the the pilot training expense was the major problem with getting 777s. Seems that's not correct. Is the main problem maintenance then?
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting dfwdfw (Reply 41):
The 777-300ER would be good for DFW

I am not sure. From the load/range chart it should be good for 36t DFW-SYD . Certainly an improvement on the -400ER. But EK are saying that on DXB-LAX an almost identical distance they are only getting about 31t "by their rules" whatever they are. They have a sector time of 16hr 30m. I have seen a flight plan for a 77L DFW-SYD with an airways distance of 7499nm which on the day had a sector time of 15h 25m . At a cruise burn rate of 7t per hour this could have improved the payload by this amount on this day.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:22 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 43):
Either way, it's a hypothetical argument because the frames wouldn't be delivered


Be interesting to watch passenger loads as and when the frequency is increased. The present A380 should be able to do about 48 to 50t payload on the route . Assuming 300 passengers and the balance of belly space filled this should give about 44t or a 88% or better load factor.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting SUNRISEVALLEY (Reply 47):
The present A380 should be able to do about 48 to 50t payload on the route

That's good enough for a full pax load in QF config. I assume that's for the present DFW-BNE route, I'd think it would be worth skipping BNE on those sorts of figures.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:43 pm

Quoting thegeek (Reply 48):
I assume that's for the present DFW-BNE route,

No , DFW-SYD. My point is that if they can get the passenger loads up to that level they have space for ~ 15t of cargo to take them to 44t.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:29 pm

Quoting SUNRISEVALLEY (Reply 39):
No , DFW-SYD. My point is that if they can get the passenger loads up to that level they have space for ~ 15t of cargo to take them to 44t.

Ok, cool. But I'm sure they'd rather sell more seats to passengers than put in so much cargo. I can't imagine there would be that much cargo that would pay that much of a premium to not have to go via LAX/HNL.

Do you know if QF's A380s have the 569t MTOW option? I know they are all -842 up thrusted versions.

Quoting SUNRISEVALLEY (Reply 37):
Be interesting to watch passenger loads as and when the frequency is increased.

Sure will. I assume they will upgrade the frequency on present equipment and route, but if load factors remain high, then I hope QF will make allocating a 3pw A380 missing BNE service a high priority.
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:06 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 40):
Sure will. I assume they will upgrade the frequency on present equipment and route,

Would they have to cut back -400ER service somewhere else if they were to commit three -400ER to daily service to DFW?
 
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:38 am

Quoting SUNRISEVALLEY (Reply 41):
Would they have to cut back -400ER service somewhere else if they were to commit three -400ER to daily service to DFW?

I'm confused about this point also. Although wouldn't 2 -ERs be enough? Apparently they had some need or they might have kept SYD-SFO going.

Here's what I can count:
SYD-EZE: 1 -ER
MEL/SYD-LAX/LHR: 1-2 744 perhaps -ER for LAX
SYD-HKG: 1 744
SYD-JNB: 2 744
BNE-SIN: 1 744
SYD-NRT: 2 744
SYD-SIN-FRA: 3 744
SYD-PER: 1 744
SYD-DFW: 2 -ER

Can't see how they have a shortage of -ERs, or 744s in total. I think I have to be missing something.
 
qf15
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 42):
Can't see how they have a shortage of -ERs, or 744s in total. I think I have to be missing something.

Currently the 6x 744ER fly the following:

SYD-LAX 2-ER
MEL-LAX 1-ER
SYD-DFW 1-ER
SYD-EZE 1-ER
Plus one seems to float around on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG, MEL-SIN-LHR.

That last ER could be used to make DFW daily when the next A380 arrives.
 
thegeek
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:01 am

So a non ER 744 would likely have to do QF107/108 occasionally when SYD-DFW goes daily, assuming that happens before VH-OQK arrives.
 
Airvan00
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting QF15 (Reply 43):
Currently the 6x 744ER fly the following:

SYD-LAX 2-ER
MEL-LAX 1-ER
SYD-DFW 1-ER
SYD-EZE 1-ER
Plus one seems to float around on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG, MEL-SIN-LHR.

Don't forget maintenance and reconfiguring.

OEE hasn't flown for 3 weeks after a flight to HKG presumably having a freshen up in China
and OEG has not flown for 4 weeks after a flight to AVV to get reconfigured as the first of the A380 type 3 class.
I expect for the next 6 months they will all spend a month getting reconfigured.
 
qf002
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:51 am



Quoting thegeek (Reply 42):
Although wouldn't 2 -ERs be enough?

Yes it would. By my very rough calculation the flight takes about 43-44 hours from leaving SYD to get back...

Quoting thegeek (Reply 42):
Can't see how they have a shortage of -ERs, or 744s in total. I think I have to be missing something.

I don't understand it either. They say that they cut SFO because they needed the aircraft for DFW, but they've got quite a considerable surplus of 747s at the moment, and are even using them of SYD-PER.

Quoting QF15 (Reply 43):
SYD-LAX 2-ER
Quoting thegeek (Reply 44):
So a non ER 744 would likely have to do QF107/108 occasionally when SYD-DFW goes daily

They already share the route between ER's and non-ER's so there would be zero issue with this flight should DFW go to daily 747. It seems from a quick glance that there's probably on average 2-3 flights a week using the non-ER aircraft.

[Edited 2011-09-10 23:54:01]
 
747m8te
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RE: QF To Fly 777-300ER?

Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:05 am

Quoting QF15 (Reply 43):
SYD-LAX 2-ER
MEL-LAX 1-ER
SYD-DFW 1-ER
SYD-EZE 1-ER
Plus one seems to float around on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG, MEL-SIN-LHR.

Yes they pop up everywhere from time to time, I've flown the ERs on LAX-BNE route too...they seem to get rotated through alot of the 747 sectors that don't require the range...if they have Ers available to do these routes, then there must no shortage for them to go daily on DFW...
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