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Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:55 am

Didn't see this one posted. Apparently Colgan Air flight 3222 (Continental Connection), from IAH-LCH on Wednesday night, landed at UXL (Southland Field), by mistake. In an even more bizzare twist, an Continental Express plane back in 1996 did exactly the same thing on the exact same flight.

http://www.sulphurdailynews.com/feat...Carlyss-by-mistake-Wednesday-night
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:07 am

Colgan pilots aren't doing themselves any favors in the public eye...
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:57 am

And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers....

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:40 am

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 1):
Colgan pilots aren't doing themselves any favors in the public eye

No kidding!

However, Houston Center has a long range RADAR which should provide coverage almost to the ground at KLCH, so it begs the question if the pilot cancelled IFR before landing with Houston Center (LCH Approach would normally be closed at 2200 CDT) or were they still on an IFR clearance?
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:56 pm

Wow, pretty embarassing mistake! I remember a time when I was at a mid sized regional airport and a Skyhawk landed and pulled off onto a taxiway, sat there for a few minutes, and the pilot told the tower something the effect of, "Uh, we're gonna need to taxi back to 34, I guess the passenger says we're at the wrong airport."
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:16 pm

Very hard to explain that during an interview with a major airline and/or corporate flight department. I bet these two poor guys are obssesibly thinking about that.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:44 pm

Apparantly these 2 pilots wanted to be at the front end all the upcoming training we are doing! A nicely worded incompetancy letter on file and some recurrent sim time on navigation and they will be back on the line sharper than ever.

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:10 pm

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):


However, Houston Center has a long range RADAR which should provide coverage almost to the ground at KLCH, so it begs the question if the pilot cancelled IFR before landing with Houston Center (LCH Approach would normally be closed at 2200 CDT) or were they still on an IFR clearance?

What I am hearing is that Houston cleared them for a visual approach and handed them off to tower who cleared them to land, and I think this was before 2200. UXL is only 9 miles away from LCH and has a runway oriented in exactly the same direction. Normally UXL would be PCL and the lights weren't even turned on, but because there was work being done on the runway lights at UXL, the crews had it turned up to the highest intensity, and when the Colgan crew saw those lights, they automatically assumed that it was LCH.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:22 pm

I'm not defending this crews actions, by any means, because obviously landing at the wrong airport is not such a great idea. But let's not throw these guys under the bus because they're COLGAN pilots. After all, this isn't the first time this has happened. Let's see, I seem to recall ExpressJet doing the same thing multiple times, Northwest in RAP and in a DC10 somewhere in Europe, DL landing on a taxiway for crying out loud and the list can go on and on. The point is that they made a huge mistake, not that they were Colgan pilots.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:26 pm

I believe that in 1968(?), that a PanAm B707 bound for LHR, landed at Northolt instead.

His brakes were a bit of a mess!!!.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:28 pm

Betcha these guys are pretty pro-union now, probably the only way they're gonna keep their job!
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:30 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
What I am hearing is that Houston cleared them for a visual approach and handed them off to tower who cleared them to land, and I think this was before 2200.



Interesting, but I won't speculate that's for sure.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 8):
But let's not throw these guys under the bus because they're COLGAN pilots.



I don't think anyone has run them over with a bus....only how the public eye perceives things most of the time.
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:50 pm

IAH - I'm just referring to reply #1 in this thread. It's not important what airline they fly for, but there's a lot of pot coloring the kettle black over at ExpressJet right now.

DLMD90 - Colgan pilots have been ALPA for a few years now.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:46 pm

Some time in the late '80s a DL flight landed in Frankfort, KY, instead of LEX.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:49 pm

Shuttle America landed a Saab at Phillipsburg/Mid-State instead of University Park / SCE in PA.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:13 pm

A few year back, a NW A319 landed at Ellsworth AFB instead of RAP.
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers....

First thing I thought of also.
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:46 pm

For sure I don't know how the real flying is working, but from my flying on flight simulatoe 2004, once I will hear the beeping of the ILS localizer, than I'll switch the autopilot to approach and the plane will start lining up with the runway to land automatically according to the frequency I have for the ils localizer.

Is the landing in the real life very different from this one?
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:14 pm

Obviously this was a visual approach. Checking the ILS would have told them they were not where they should have been.

Working for Colgan doesn't make these pilots look worse, but another incident with the pilots does make Colgan look worse.

I've always dreamed of seeing a 747 or 777 mistakenly land at Half Moon Bay instead of SFO. That would be a site to see. Not holding out much hope of it happening  
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:15 pm

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 18):

Is the landing in the real life very different from this one?
How is possible to miss wholie airport?

Perhaps they were flying a visual approach. The weather wasn't that bad the other night and according to some on this forum it seems more common for pilots to fly visual when they can to keep up their "real flying" skills.

That, and on the Beech 1900d at ZK, I know a lot of them never touch the autoland because some of the airports they serve are not equipped with ILS, so why not do all landings visually?

I've had some fun ZK landings to say the least.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:24 pm

I've heard tales of an EA 727 landing at OQU instead of PVD back in the 80s.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:37 pm

What is also odd besides backing up the visual approach with a localizer is runway lighting. Lake Charles pilot controlled after tower closes is on tower frequency of 120.7.....Southland is 122.8.. I guess the runway lights must have been on at Southland......or did they land this time without runway lights instead of takeoff ie. Comair Lexington,KY
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:43 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers....

Have you seen some of the airports 9L flies the Saab into? It isn't uncommon of for them to have only one instrument approach, and sometimes those are out or unusable. If there is an available navaid then it is supposed to be used but if not, what choice is there outside of not flying?

Quoting vw (Reply 24):
I guess the runway lights must have been on at Southland......or did they land this time without runway lights instead of takeoff ie. Comair Lexington,KY

I read somewhere the lights were on due to maintenance work.

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:49 pm

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 20):
Perhaps they were flying a visual approach. The weather wasn't that bad the other night and according to some on this forum it seems more common for pilots to fly visual when they can to keep up their "real flying" skills.

I believe that is exactly what they were doing. Most pilots will accept a visual approach to save time and reduce the workload rather than keep up "real flying" skills. I see plenty of guys fly visual approaches with the autopilot.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 20):
That, and on the Beech 1900d at ZK, I know a lot of them never touch the autoland because some of the airports they serve are not equipped with ILS, so why not do all landings visually?

To my knowledge the B1900s at Lakes don't have autopilots...therefore no autoland  

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:51 pm

Was there not an FR 737 that was mean to land at LDY and ended up at the air force base about 2km away. Something to do with similar airport look and both runways be named the same? I could be wrong with the details but I believe this happened about 3 or 4 years ago.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:56 am

When I was growing up in Toronto, BOAC put a Comet 4 into YZD (Downsview) instead of YYZ. The longest runway then was almost directly in line with the current 24L at YYZ.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:37 am

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 25):
Have you seen some of the airports 9L flies the Saab into? It isn't uncommon of for them to have only one instrument approach, and sometimes those are out or unusable.

No doubt. But in this case, LCH does have an ILS, and I haven't heard anything about it being out of service.

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:46 am

In our country this has happened:

- Linjeflyg Fokker F28 mistakenly landed at Emmaboda Airport instead of Ronneby.
- SAS DC-9 landed at Linkoping instead of Norrkoping
- Air France once landed at Barkarby Airport in Stockholm instead of Bromma.
Typically these incidents happen in excellent weather and visual approaches. Also the planes made good landings.

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:07 am

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 26):
believe that is exactly what they were doing. Most pilots will accept a visual approach to save time and reduce the workload rather than keep up "real flying" skills. I see plenty of guys fly visual approaches with the autopilot.

Im lost on this post. When I am cleared for a visual the almost first thing I do is click off the autopilot and handfly it? How is that not keeping up my "real" pilot skills? Are you implying that flying an ILS is "Real" flying? On the other sentance, I know very few pilots (I dont recall EVER seeing anyone) use the autopilot to fly a visual approach.

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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:05 am

Quoting atct (Reply 31):
I know very few pilots (I dont recall EVER seeing anyone) use the autopilot to fly a visual approach

I have seen it a few times in heavy jets like 747:s on jumpseat. Long after cleared visual approach they still use autothrust, heading select, vertical speed etc and only disconnect on very short final. They sort of used the autopilot to steer the plane onto final. I have also seen visual circuits on autopilot. I have whitnessed this in 747:s. They used the autopilot for steering but fly on visual references. Happens on heavy jets sometimes I would say.
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:11 pm

Quoting atct (Reply 31):
Im lost on this post. When I am cleared for a visual the almost first thing I do is click off the autopilot and handfly it? How is that not keeping up my "real" pilot skills? Are you implying that flying an ILS is "Real" flying? On the other sentance, I know very few pilots (I dont recall EVER seeing anyone) use the autopilot to fly a visual approach.

I was saying that I recall reading that the crew of the flight that landed at the wrong airport flew a visual approach when the incident occurred.

I don't doubt that you, like myself and several other pilots hand fly a visual approach but it is not uncommon in my experience to see guys keep the AP on and use heading mode to steer through a visual approach. My other point was that in my experience it seems a lot of pilots prefer visual approaches not to maintain their "real flying skills" but to save time and make things easier, as a visual tends to be less work than briefing, setting up for and flying an IAP.
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:55 pm

I cannot throw stones at these guys because it happens. And it could happen to me. There are all kinds of "set ups" in aviation. With the right circumstances, any pilot can be suckered into making a silly mistake. With 28 years of flying I only "almost" got suckered once into flying to Tinker AFB instead of OKC. Flying low (2000') in haze, approach points it out around 2 o'clock. Captain sees Tinker and starts turning in at around 5 miles. Fortunately and professionally, we had pre-briefed the runway orientation and the proximity of Tinker. We quickly realized that Tinker couldn't be OKC. We could have been a news item pretty easily. So no stones from me.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:43 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers

Even at night landing on Rwy 15 at LCH should be significantly different visually from landing on Rwy 15 at UXL. Crossing over the lake

But if winds brought them in from the south to land on Rwy 33, there would be very little lights on the ground prior to either airport. LCH has an ILS on Rwy 15 on 109.1, UXL has a localizer on Rwy 15 on 109.3.

Nothing excuses the confusion, but you can see how it could happen.
 
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RE: Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake

Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:08 am

United DC-8 that landed at Troutdale instead of PDX.

Best article I could find is linked below.


http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...ry.php?story_id=125694930778066000