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Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:53 pm

US hasn't really announced a new route since June when they started PHL to Quebec City. I just flew PHX to MSY via CLT and seems they could start up PHX to MSY direct easily. Seems like there will be some aircraft free with the recent reductions announced in the de-hubbing of LAS. Anyone know any new routes coming?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:35 pm

I think any new routes in the foreseeable future are going to be out of DCA that are related to the slot deal. Routes that have been rumored include MSN, GRR (Which US pulled out of right after the HP merger), as well as YUL, and YOW service from DCA to supplement existing service.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:56 pm

Are there any new "long haul" routes in their future?
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:16 pm

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 2):
Are there any new "long haul" routes in their future?

I think they're going to focus on Latin America as their long haul now. Mainly getting more routes to EZE, GRU, LIM and maybe SCL. Although I don't know if these will work from CLT or PHL.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:51 pm

Quoting jlbmedia (Reply 2):
Are there any new "long haul" routes in their future?

Probably not until 2013, which is when the A332 delivieries resume.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 3):
I think they're going to focus on Latin America as their long haul now. Mainly getting more routes to EZE, GRU, LIM and maybe SCL. Although I don't know if these will work from CLT or PHL.

I agree with you on Latin America, however SCL will definitly not work from CLT, and EZE probably won't work either. The only LatAm cities that will work for CLT are GIG, GRU, BOG, and LIM. I don't see US flying to South America from PHL.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:58 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I agree with you on Latin America, however SCL will definitly not work from CLT, and EZE probably won't work either. The only LatAm cities that will work for CLT are GIG, GRU, BOG, and LIM. I don't see US flying to South America from PHL.

I think they need a new hub for Latin America. MIA is taken by AA, NYC is taken by the rest of the carriers in the US, ATL is taken by DL, IAH and DFW are taken by their respective carriers, DCA has the perimeter rule, MCO probably won't have as much demand, FLL is too low-yeilding, they pretty much missed the boat to Latin America outside of Brazil.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:10 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 3):
I think they're going to focus on Latin America as their long haul now. Mainly getting more routes to EZE, GRU, LIM and maybe SCL. Although I don't know if these will work from CLT or PHL.

They still need route authorities and aircraft for those routes so I am not sure how much more they can focus on outside of the EZE and coming GRU routes.

US hasn't really added routes in a long time and rather has entrenched back into their core hubs and soon DCA. As much as it surprises me to say it this may be a pretty good approach until more widebodies arrive and hopefully the economy finally rights itself.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:29 pm

Quoting cjpmaestro (Thread starter):
they could start up PHX to MSY direct easily.

Wouldn't mind seeing US restart this route; HP flew this until Katrina - don't remember if it ever got restarted (don't believe so).

Would love to see some expansion out of PHX - could PHX-SCL work? Ok, realistically, I think the best you'd see out of PHX would be Canadian service - could PHX-YYJ work? What about PHX-YWG? There's also a sizable Asian American community in the Valley - some kind of Asian service could do well.

On the East side - could CLT-YHZ service work? Flew from ATL-YHZ last week on DL - they seem to do pretty well on the route. Yes, ATL & CLT are different animals, but there's got to be enough demand to at least cover one seasonal flight.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:00 pm

I'm surprised that few have mentioned a return to some of the cities that US orphaned after the PIT dehubbing, but via CLT and/or PHL this time.

Yes, MSN and GRR have been mentioned as possibilities once the slot swap is completed. Buit how about the likes of LAN, SBN, FWA, BMI, EVV, and TOL? I'm sure that US still has loyal customers in many of these cities. In fact, I saw one person paying at an FWA-area Kroger (supermarket) with a US Airways MasterCard not all that long ago.

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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:05 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):

Yes, MSN and GRR have been mentioned as possibilities once the slot swap is completed. Buit how about the likes of LAN, SBN, FWA, BMI, LAN, EVV, and TOL? I'm sure that US still has loyal customers in many of these cities. In fact, I saw one person paying at an FWA-area Kroger (supermarket) with a US Airways MasterCard not all that long ago.

I will go one more on you. ATW. I know its an extreme longshot and likely won't happen, but ATW is still the HQ of ZW, who is the largest USAirways Express carrier at the moment. With F9 pulling out, you have UA to ORD, and DL to their three main hubs (MSP, DTW, and ATL), but with a lot of the traffic out of ATW being east coast bound business travellers, DCA could work, and it would provide easy connections to most of the places that you can't get to non stop anyways. ATW is home to Pierce manufacturing and many Fire Departments across the country send their officers to ATW to be trained on Pierce Firetrucks, and with the population density being what it is out east, I could see this working.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:25 pm

Supposedly US Airways is in the market for some used 767s with better payload and range for GIG...With US Airways current 767s their GIG from CLT flight is either oversold with passengers or cargo and one keeps getting bumped always due to weight restrictions... I guess if they leased some more 767s that would open possibilities for a few more routes.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:29 pm

Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 10):
Supposedly US Airways is in the market for some used 767s with better payload and range for GIG...With US Airways current 767s their GIG from CLT flight is either oversold with passengers or cargo and one keeps getting bumped always due to weight restrictions... I guess if they leased some more 767s that would open possibilities for a few more routes.

You sure its about weight restriction? The 762ER has ALOT of range. El Al did MIA-TLV on them. CLT-GIG shouldn't really be a problem... Could it be runway restrictions?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:16 pm

As its been said on this website dozens, if not hundreds of times. US Airways' 767-200ERs do not have the highest thrust engines or the highest MTOW.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 11):
You sure its about weight restriction? The 762ER has ALOT of range. El Al did MIA-TLV on them. CLT-GIG shouldn't really be a problem... Could it be runway restrictions?

US has very early build 762s that have less range then newer 762 models. There 767s had to make fuel stops on their CLT-HNL run also.

Whappeh just beat be to it.

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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:22 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 13):
US has very early build 762s that have less range then newer 762 models. There 767s had to make fuel stops on their CLT-HNL run also.

Whappeh just beat be to it.
Quoting Whappeh (Reply 12):
As its been said on this website dozens, if not hundreds of times. US Airways' 767-200ERs do not have the highest thrust engines or the highest MTOW.

Oh Sorry I actually have never seen that on this site. Thank you treebeard I actually didn't know that. Thank you for the information!
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:07 pm

With the reduction at former focus city LAS and the basic end of service to LGA thru the slot swap with Delta the writing is on the wall. US is trying to make there operations at the hubs profitable so they look favorable to buyouts or a potential merger.... but who really wants US?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:15 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 13):
There 767s had to make fuel stops on their CLT-HNL run also.

I heard some of the 752 to Hawaii are weight restricted time to time. Imagined being bumped from your flight on your way to your honeymoon!
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:23 pm

There was an article in the Phoenix Business Journal from 2009 about US Airways stating their plans to launch a route from PHX to NRT in 2012. Could this still happen if not in 2012?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:33 pm

I'm wondering whether a CLT-MAN could be on the cards next year....? Seasonal mind.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I agree with you on Latin America, however SCL will definitly not work from CLT, and EZE probably won't work either. The only LatAm cities that will work for CLT are GIG, GRU, BOG, and LIM.

The 762 range issue is really the only reason GIG makes more sense than EZE. EZE is enough larger than GIG that it makes more sense any time an airplane can do either. I agree with you that SCL is absolutely out of the question, though. I'm pretty skeptical about IAH-SCL, and that's a much, much stronger route.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:39 pm

Why wouldn't CLT work as a LatAm hub for US? Besides MIA, do the other hubs like IAH, DFW and ATL have that much O&D traffic to major So. Am. cities?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:44 pm

Quoting l1011buff (Reply 20):
Besides MIA, do the other hubs like IAH, DFW and ATL have that much O&D traffic to major So. Am. cities?

Yes, probably 4-5 times as much O/D as CLT. CLT really is not a very big city.

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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:57 pm

Id like to see them come back to some midwestern cities (i.e. MSN, CID etc) since we have lost some airlines due to consolidation. Personally I would love to see a CID-CLT flight, CID used to have PIT and MCI flights until 9/11.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:06 pm

I think the biggest holes in US's route system are links between SLC and OMA and the eastern hubs. I think CLT-OMA would be a great route to use some of the CR9's freed by the LAS shutdown on. Maybe they could convince Republic to switch OMA-DCA from F9 express to USX?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:10 am

The flight is always weight restricted because of the cargo and number of passengers... Additionally us airways told me that 80 percent of the plane is always brazillian... And well the brazillians fill all of their bags and pay overweight... Sooo every passenger is bringing tons of heavy baggage as well...
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:22 am

Beyond cities that they don't already serve like Oklahoma City (I think the largest market not served by US), Tulsa, Grand Rapids, etc the routes where connecting some dots makes sense to me and what sort of equipment it might use:

CLT-BTV (E75): Route I'm most surprised that US doesn't fly in some form.

PHL-MEM (E75)
PHL-OAJ (CRJ, seasonal)

PHX-BUF (319): BUF could use a network legacy connection further west than MSP/ORD, plus maybe pick up some GTA O/D customers who don't want to pay the high taxes, yet want their Aeroplan miles....
PHX-BDL (319): Two strong US Airways markets
PHX-MSY (could be anything up to a 321)

PHX-MEM (CR9)
PHX-BNA (CR9)
PHX-CVG/DAY (CR9): A westbound connection for SW Ohio.

BUR-East Coast Hub (319): LA's most convenient airport, aside from JetBlue, nobody goes farther east than DFW.
SLC-East Coast Hub (E90/319): DL had some success with CLT-SLC until high fuel costs killed it.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:24 am

There has been talk on another thread that US may restart PHL-SNA and also add CLT-SNA. Makes sense to tap into the European flights at PHL and Caribbean flights out of CLT. Haven't heard anything for sure, but I for one would be very happy since I am from Philly and now live in OC.

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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:39 am

With a strong Canadian dollar, I would expect some growth in the eastern Canadian cities US serves when the DCA/LGA slot swap is completed. YYZ, YUL, YOW, YHZ (additional DCA service) and YQB could benefit greatly by the slot swap.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:03 am

Quoting l1011buff (Reply 20):
Why wouldn't CLT work as a LatAm hub for US?

Smaller local demand means most of the passengers would be connecting and that usually means lower yielding than point to point traffic. The only way to know if it would work would be to have access to the hard numbers, something most of the people here don't have. There were a lot of people here saying that US was going to fail when they added TLV, though few would admit to being negative about that now.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 23):
I think CLT-OMA would be a great route to use some of the CR9's freed by the LAS shutdown on

Oh hell no. Three+ hours on a CRJ? The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:07 am

Quoting frntman (Reply 27):
I would expect some growth in the eastern Canadian cities US serves when the DCA/LGA slot swap is completed. YYZ, YUL, YOW, YHZ (additional DCA service) and YQB could benefit greatly by the slot swap.

Any additional lift at YQB will be out of PHL, since there is no Preclearance in YQB, which is why you see the occasional ZW RJ parked at A-East instead of F.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:27 am

Quoting silentbob (Reply 28):

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 23):
I think CLT-OMA would be a great route to use some of the CR9's freed by the LAS shutdown on

Oh hell no. Three+ hours on a CRJ? The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.

It would only be 2.5 hours and is shorter than many existing US CR9 routes. Besides, its better than having to fly OMA-PHX-East Coast like you would currently.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:49 am

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 6):
US hasn't really added routes in a long time and rather has entrenched back into their core hubs and soon DCA.

They just added PHL-YHZ/YQB and CLT-YOW/DUB/MAD.

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 7):
PHX-YYJ work? What about PHX-YWG?

I think HP used to fly PHX-YWG, maybe it was LAS instead, I can't remember.

Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 10):
Supposedly US Airways is in the market for some used 767s with better payload and range for GIG

I wonder what Airbus would say about that. CO 762s would make a fine addition to the US fleet.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 11):
You sure its about weight restriction? The 762ER has ALOT of range. El Al did MIA-TLV on them. CLT-GIG shouldn't really be a problem... Could it be runway restrictions?

Remember, when US purchased their 767s, they only needed enough range to fly from the East coast to Europe. The one route that is begging for A332s right now is PHL-ATH, at 5035 miles.

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 19):
EZE

I would think that this route would demand a more premium aircraft.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 25):
CLT-BTV (E75): Route I'm most surprised that US doesn't fly in some form.

Look for that in the near future.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 25):
PHX-MEM (CR9)

US just discontinued this route this Spring.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 30):
It would only be 2.5 hours and is shorter than many existing US CR9 routes. Besides, its better than having to fly OMA-PHX-East Coast like you would currently.

Indeed. US used to fly PHX-MEM at 1264 mi on the CR9.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:59 am

What about PHL-ABQ or CLT-ABQ, maybe even DCA-ABQ when the DL route swap is complete.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:10 am

Ok...so US's 762's are old and have lesser MGTOW than the newer ones...with CO rumored to be dumping theirs soon, why not swipe those?
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:11 am

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 5):

If there is gate space at MIA, dont see why another carrier could start some lat routes.

SRQ-PHL would be nice.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:07 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 31):
I think HP used to fly PHX-YWG, maybe it was LAS instead, I can't remember.

HP never served YWG, but it could be a decent market with the right aircraft.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 33):
Ok...so US's 762's are old and have lesser MGTOW than the newer ones...with CO rumored to be dumping theirs soon, why not swipe those?

I believe the US 762s are rated at 351K vs. 395K for CO's.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:39 am

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 32):
maybe even DCA-ABQ when the DL route swap is complete

No, DCA authority is a whole different ballgame; those routes will be decided by Congress and the DOT (sometime, I hope!) ABQ is beyond-perimeter from Reagan Airport so that market has nothing to do with the route swap.

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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:25 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 33):
Ok...so US's 762's are old and have lesser MGTOW than the newer ones...with CO rumored to be dumping theirs soon, why not swipe those?

Why bother when they are just going to replaced by A332's and A350's within the next five to seven years.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:32 am

about PHX - YWG: I think that PHX - FAR might work better if there was a US-branded bus or interurban passenger train that connected FAR to XEF (Winnipeg Union Station).
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:42 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 25):
Beyond cities that they don't already serve like Oklahoma City (I think the largest market not served by US), Tulsa, Grand Rapids

Although Grand Rapids to PHL/CLT seems logical enough, I would think OKC and TUL would be challenging from the perspective that both cities already have access to a ton of connections via DFW/ORD/ATL/IAH. Other carriers (besides AA) have made sizeable cutbacks in those markets in recent years, but maybe US service would help bring prices down. I'm sure both OKC and TUL would be thrilled to have US as an option, especially to CLT, as a lot of traffic from OKC and TUL flows SE and into Florida. WN already serves PHX/LAS nonstop from OKC, so nonstop service to PHX would be superfluous in that case.

In the meantime, what about XNA-PHX? Currently a US Express station with no WN service and only one flight a day to LAS on Allegiant.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:24 pm

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 7):
Would love to see some expansion out of PHX - could PHX-SCL work? Ok, realistically, I think the best you'd see out of PHX would be Canadian service - could PHX-YYJ work? What about PHX-YWG? There's also a sizable Asian American community in the Valley - some kind of Asian service could do well.

Both PHX-YYJ and PHX-YWG are operated by WS so I doubt you will see US rush into these markets. AC tried YUL-PHX this past winter but I think operating this flight only twice weekly Sat and Sun was very poor planning and is not returning.

I think US should have no problems with these routes below
PHX-GUA 3-4 weekly
PHX-SAL 3-4 weekly
PHX-LIM 4-7 weekly
PHX-MTY 4-7 weekly
PHX-PPE 4-7 weekly - seasonal

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PHX-LON daily
PHX-FRA daily
PHX-CDG daily
PHX-NRT 4-7 weekly
PHX-ICN 4-7 weekly
PHX-BOG 3-5 weekly
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:59 pm

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 40):
I think US should have no problems with these routes below
PHX-GUA 3-4 weekly
PHX-SAL 3-4 weekly
PHX-LIM 4-7 weekly
PHX-MTY 4-7 weekly
PHX-PPE 4-7 weekly - seasonal

PHX- GUA/SAL/LIM are ridiculous and have no chance of being operated anytime soon. PHX can't support service to major Canadian cities like YUL and YOW but is going to support service to LIM?

MTY is are not going to happen due to the security situation in Northern Mexico suppressing traffic and PPE has very little demand...dont expect anything bigger than a CRJ if either of them were ever were launched.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 34):

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 5):

If there is gate space at MIA, dont see why another carrier could start some lat routes.

SRQ-PHL would be nice.


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They do have quite a bit of FF's because of the mini-hub they used to have at FLL. Although there is already too much competition at MIA. You have the leader AA, then you have DL starting to expand, and then you have the actual South American carriers (JJ, AV, etc). They could try it but I can't imagine them putting up much of a fight...
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:43 pm

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 40):
I think US should have no problems with these routes below
PHX-GUA 3-4 weekly
PHX-SAL 3-4 weekly
PHX-LIM 4-7 weekly
PHX-MTY 4-7 weekly
PHX-PPE 4-7 weekly - seasonal

Wish list
PHX-LON daily
PHX-FRA daily
PHX-CDG daily
PHX-NRT 4-7 weekly
PHX-ICN 4-7 weekly
PHX-BOG 3-5 weekly

Now that both AV/TA and CM are on their way to join Star Alliance, it may be possible for US to fly to AV/TA + CM hubs and get decent loads.
PHX and CLT to SAL, BOG, LIM, BOG may eventually work, even if not daily.
As for for European and Asian flights out of PHX, maybe LON, FRA, NRT and ICN. Some of those may already have enough demand to be flown with aircraft from the current US fleet.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:58 pm

I am pretty skeptical that US will/should expand into Latin America. We might see some morea Mexican/Caribbean flights out of CLT and maybe PPE out of PHX. I would not be surprised to see some day PHL-MEX too. Other than these, I do not harbor hopes for expanded presence in Latin America.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:47 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 39):
I would think OKC and TUL would be challenging from the perspective that both cities already have access to a ton of connections via DFW/ORD/ATL/IAH. Other carriers (besides AA) have made sizeable cutbacks in those markets in recent years, but maybe US service would help bring prices down. I'm sure both OKC and TUL would be thrilled to have US as an option, especially to CLT, as a lot of traffic from OKC and TUL flows SE and into Florida.

Not sure where a lot of your statements come from. I'll speaking only for the OKC market. OKC does have a lot right now, and continues to grow, in terms of service to major connecting points - but also business markets.

In addition to the newly started SFO nonstop on UA, flights are offered to: EWR, DTW, IAD, BWI, ATL, ORD, STL, MEM, MSP, MCI, DFW, DAL, IAH, HOU, DEN, SLC, LAS, PHX, and LAX.

Has there been sizeable cuts? Some...but most of that has been reversed with new markets. CVG, CLE, MCO, TPA, MSY, AUS, SAT, TUL, and ABQ have all been attempted or served for a longer period of time and had service cut. CVG - obvious reasons there. CLE was never strong on CO. MCO/TPA never have been strong and Comair tried it and dropped it - Frontier did the same. MSY/AUS/SAT were all part of experiments by ExpressJet and Trans States and did alright but the operation as a whole failed. TUL was a tag for DL for years (ATL-TUL-OKC-SLC) and also served by Great Plains, as was ABQ, and that operation failed.

At the end of the day, the gauge of aircraft may have come down a bit but frequencies have gone up in those markets. AA use to be 2 mainline flights a day - F-100/M80 usually. It is now operated by Eagle several times a day. DEN has seen some pull back going from all UA mainline to a mix with UAX.

It also seems you are unaware that we did have US here in OKC for a bit. Flights were operated with HP prior to he merger on the CR9s to PHX and LAS. Then Southwest kicked their butt out of the LAS market, and hurt them on PHX. The route lasted for maybe a year or two after the merger and it was dropped. There was hope that CLT would be added to link into the old US Airways operation, but never happened.

It would be nice to have US here to provide more options back east. PHL would probably be the best option when it comes to O&D. However, as far as lowering prices in the market...good luck with that. If Southwest and Frontier can't do that...US isn't going to either. Plus, OKC is a very loyal market to AA and WN...busting through that isn't easy.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 25):
PHX-BDL (319): Two strong US Airways markets

I've lived in Hartford and I know the market - I can't tell you exactly why, but BDL has trouble supporting service to hubs west of DFW, even larger and closer hubs than PHX like IAH.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 25):
PHX-BNA (CR9)

WN is probably too strong on both ends for this one to work.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 31):
I would think that this route would demand a more premium aircraft.

Why more premium than GRU?
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:29 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 46):
Why more premium than GRU?

They don't serve GRU. So they probably need a more premium product than GIG. GRU and EZE are higher yeilding than GIG. Thus the reason AA can send twice daily 777's to EZE and all the other US carriers send some of their best products to both airports. But then GIG sees less service than the two and also sees the US' carriers worse premium product compared to what GRU and EZE get.
 
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 47):
They don't serve GRU. So they probably need a more premium product than GIG. GRU and EZE are higher yeilding than GIG. Thus the reason AA can send twice daily 777's to EZE and all the other US carriers send some of their best products to both airports. But then GIG sees less service than the two and also sees the US' carriers worse premium product compared to what GRU and EZE get.

That's all true, but the implication seemed to be that US could serve GRU with some frame currently in the fleet but could not serve EZE with an existing airplane. Aside from the 762 range/330 availability issue, that seems wrong to me.
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RE: Any New US Airways Routes Coming?

Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:51 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 46):
I've lived in Hartford and I know the market - I can't tell you exactly why, but BDL has trouble supporting service to hubs west of DFW, even larger and closer hubs than PHX like IAH.

Now that I think about it, you're right: BDL-IAH on Continental, BDL-SFO on United (and I think UA also did BDL-DEN), BDL-LAX on Delta and American, and BDL-PHX on HP/US have all come and gone....though didn't WN just recently add DEN?

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