PacificF27
Topic Author
Posts: 53
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:30 pm

Lockheed Constellation Windows

Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:05 pm

The first few windows on the Connie are lower than the rest. Does the floor step down toward the front of the passenger cabin? Is the floor sloped? If neither of these what is the reason for the differing window heights?
EVA is tops across the Pacific!
 
User avatar
Dreadnought
Posts: 10097
Joined: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:31 pm

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:39 pm


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Rainer Spoddig



As you can see in this picture, there does indeed appear to be a step down towards the cockpit.
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. - W. Churchill
 
User avatar
longhauler
Posts: 5191
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:00 am

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:14 pm

Both the shorter versions L049/649/749 and the longer versions L1049/1649 had the step down from the middle cabin to the forward cabin. Normally though, in airline operation of the time it was not all that noticeable as usually washrooms were placed there, or that was the transition from the passenger cabin, to the crew rest area.

The step down would have occurred going from one cabin to the next.

Looking at this picture, it is very obvious on this L049, as in a charter configuration no space would be left unsold:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ellis M. Chernoff



Or in this Save-A-Connie L1049H, you can see the step down as well.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ryan J. Pearl

Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
 
Viscount724
Posts: 19304
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:32 pm

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:44 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 2):
Both the shorter versions L049/649/749 and the longer versions L1049/1649 had the step down from the middle cabin to the forward cabin. Normally though, in airline operation of the time it was not all that noticeable as usually washrooms were placed there, or that was the transition from the passenger cabin, to the crew rest area.

I believe that's true for the L-049/649/749 but not for the L-1049/1649 which had a flat floor and only the windows were positioned lower in the forward cabin. I've seen photos of a stripped L-1049 or 1649 cabin which showed the flat floor. Can't find the best photo now but did find this item. Nolte the caption of the 2nd photo.
http://www3.delta.edu/rmmee/insupcon.htm
 
User avatar
longhauler
Posts: 5191
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:00 am

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
but not for the L-1049/1649 which had a flat floor and only the windows were positioned lower in the forward cabin

That's what I always thought. And recall the TCA L1049 that was parked near YYZ open for viewing, I don't remember a step in the floor .... however, look at the interior shot of the SAC L1049H above, that clearly shows a drop in the floor level.
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
 
Viscount724
Posts: 19304
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:32 pm

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:52 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 4):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
but not for the L-1049/1649 which had a flat floor and only the windows were positioned lower in the forward cabin

That's what I always thought. And recall the TCA L1049 that was parked near YYZ open for viewing, I don't remember a step in the floor .... however, look at the interior shot of the SAC L1049H above, that clearly shows a drop in the floor level.

Maybe it's my eyes, but I don't see a step in the 1049H photo.
 
vc10
Posts: 1361
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:13 am

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:01 am

I can confirm that the 749 had a stepdown . Now with the 1049 I think what happened is that originally as a passenger aircraft it might still have had a step down as the window line definately lowers at the front, but having never seen an original passenger 1049 this is a guess.

Now when the 1049 was converted to cargo with a cargo door at the front [unlike at the rear for the 749] the step on the 1049 would have been a real problem to loading freight, so I suggest as part of the conversion the front floor was contoured to overcome the step and so make the level floor we see on 1049 today which I would say are all preserved cargo aircraft .

to support this theory if I remember correctly the floor hatch to the front freight compartment on cargo 1049 has a floor hatch and beneath that another which is the original entry hatch.

Just a theory see if you think itis ok
 
Viscount724
Posts: 19304
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:32 pm

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:20 am

Quoting vc10 (Reply 6):
Now with the 1049 I think what happened is that originally as a passenger aircraft it might still have had a step down as the window line definately lowers at the front, but having never seen an original passenger 1049 this is a guess.

Photo of forward cabin of a preserved LH L-1049G (D-ALIN), still with original passenger interior. There's no step.
http://209.85.120.99/viewphoto.php?id=6488985&nseq=12
 
vc10
Posts: 1361
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2001 4:13 am

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:57 am

Viscount,
A lovely picture but was this aircraft preserved from it's end as a passenger aircarft in this condition or when it' passenger days were over was it converted to a cargo aircraft and then subsequently restored to a display passenger aircraft but still with a cargo floor
I have just looked up "Seaboard and Western " 1049 manual which shows the aircraft having a flat floor but as these aircraft were for both cargo and passengers and had a front cargo door it does not really settle the arguements
any other ideas
 
Viscount724
Posts: 19304
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:32 pm

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:41 am

Quoting vc10 (Reply 8):
Viscount,
A lovely picture but was this aircraft preserved from it's end as a passenger aircarft in this condition or when it' passenger days were over was it converted to a cargo aircraft and then subsequently restored to a display passenger aircraft but still with a cargo floor

As far as I can tell it was never converted to a freighter.
 
timz
Posts: 6207
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 1999 7:43 am

RE: Lockheed Constellation Windows

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:03 pm

The floor sloped on the 1649, so presumably on the 1049 as well. See the last paragraph of the first column of

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1956/1956%20-%200911.html

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos