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Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:44 pm

Air Transat has just loaded up the S12 schedule to Europe.

These are the confirmed routes so far :

Calgary-Amsterdam
Calgary-Frankfurt
Calgary-Paris CDG

Montreal-Bordeaux
Montreal-Brussels
Montreal-Basel
Montreal-Istanbul
Montreal-Lyon
Montreal-London Gatwick
Montreal-Marseille
Montreal-Nantes
Montreal-Nice
Montreal-Paris CDG
Montreal-Rome
Montreal-Toulouse
Montreal-Venice

Quebec City-Marseille
Quebec City-Paris CDG

Toronto-Amsterdam
Toronto-Birmingham
Toronto-Frankfurt
Toronto-Glasgow
Toronto-Istanbul
Toronto-Lamezia Terme
Toronto-London Gatwick
Toronto-Munich
Toronto-Manchester
Toronto-Paris CDG
Toronto-Pescara
Toronto-Rome
Toronto-Venice

Vancouver-Amsterdam
Vancouver-Frankfurt
Vancouver-Glasgow
Vancouver-Paris CDG


No trace of Austria, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain.



[Edited 2011-09-14 11:46:11]
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:24 pm

I see schedules for all except for Barcelona
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:35 pm

As its being reported on another thread that TS will be leaving VIE and HAM due to lack of equipment as the 330s, the airline has been taking on, are too large for these two destinations. The articles are down below. If someone wants to translate.

http://www.welt.de/print/die_welt/wi...-Transat-sagt-Hamburg-Goodbye.html

http://www.austrianaviation.net/news...t-nimmt-wien-aus-dem-programm.html
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:43 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Air Transat has just loaded up the S12 schedule to Europe.

I thought they had been there for ages, I'm sure months in fact.

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Vancouver-Amsterdam
Vancouver-Frankfurt
Vancouver-Glasgow
Vancouver-Paris CDG

You also have LGW, some flights via Edmonton I believe. I was looking at their flights actually last night, others on offer include Exeter to Toronto via Newcastle.


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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:08 pm

Info from inside LGW is that they will be operating 21 weekly flight there.

With the removal of the A310 and routes being dropped for over capacity operating an A330 on the route, could TS look out for some 763ERs to operate the routes, especially with the potential number becoming available following the removal of fleets with the intoduction of the 787?
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:15 pm

Any routes from YHZ?
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:25 pm

I thought LHR was year round from YYZ?
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:51 pm

Quoting heathrow (Reply 6):

I thought LHR was year round from YYZ?

LGW is the year round flight with this winter YYZ-LGW going 5 weekly.

Quoting planesailing (Reply 4):
could TS look out for some 763ERs to operate the routes

I would say some nice 762s would be perfect... A310 and 762s were competitor aircrafts no? And there's a whole bunch of 762s leaving another company I hear...   heh...one can dream.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:22 am

Quoting planesailing (Reply 4):
With the removal of the A310 and routes being dropped for over capacity operating an A330 on the route, could TS look out for some 763ERs to operate the routes, especially with the potential number becoming available following the removal of fleets with the intoduction of the 787?

Not all the A310's are vanishing next year, unless people know otherwise?

I thought the A310's were due to depart gradually between Nov 2011 and 2015.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:01 am

Very interesting to see YYC-AMS on this list! Which equipment will be used on this route?

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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting heathrow (Reply 6):
I thought LHR was year round from YYZ?
Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 7):
LGW is the year round flight with this winter YYZ-LGW going 5 weekly.

I presume LHR-YYZ returns next Summer though?
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:05 pm

Also YYZ-NCL/EXT bookable, but not on schedule page.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:06 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
I presume LHR-YYZ returns next Summer though?


If it does...it'd be weekend service only like it was this summer... I hope it does come back... its an interesting route to see a sched charter on the route.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:11 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 9):

YYC-AMS has been there for years in the summer, only once a week though with a 330  

Does anyone have a list of frequencies? This only gives the picture to a limited extent  
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:33 am

looks like AC's ATH and BCN routes from YUL and YYZ pushed TS out of these markets.

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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:35 am

Interesting that DUB is listed in their schedule online, at seemingly an increased frequency?

Anyone know what is going on with the Ireland routes next year?
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 8):

Not all the A310's are vanishing next year, unless people know otherwise?

I thought the A310's were due to depart gradually between Nov 2011 and 2015.

I don't think they're all leaving at once, as the current schedules show A310s operating through the summer, but as they're retired some destinations are being dropped.

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 13):

Does anyone have a list of frequencies? This only gives the picture to a limited extent

Here's a sample week (July 9-16 2012) and the freq's from the TS Long-Term Schedules (NOTE: Some flights may have stopovers, I've included them with the rest) :

YYC-AMS 1 x A332
YYC-CDG 1 x A332
YYC-FRA 2 x A332
YYC-GLA 1 x A333
YYC-LGW 3 x A333
YYC-MAN 2 x A332

YEG-LGW 1 x A333

YUL-AGP 1 x A310
YUL-ATH 1 x A332 1 x A333
YUL-BCN 2 x A310 + 1 x A332
YUL-BOD 2 x A310
YUL-BRU 2 x A310 + 1 x A333
YUL-BSL 1 x A310
YUL-CDG 12 x A333 + 1 x A332 + 1 x A310 (Spread evenly as 2 daily flights)
YUL-DUB 1 x A310
YUL-FCO 5 x A310 + 1 x A333
YUL-IST 1 x A332
YUL-LGW 1 x A310
YUL-LYS 3 x A310 + 1 x A333
YUL-MAD 1 x A310
YUL-MRS 3 x A310 + 1 x A333
YUL-NCE 2 x A310
YUL-NTE 2 x A310
YUL-TLS 1 x A310 + 1 x A333
YUL-VCE 1 x A333

YQB-MRS 1 x A310
YQB-CDG 3 x A310 + 1 x A332 (The A332 seems to be only YQB-CDG, not CDG-YQB)

YYZ-AMS 3 x A310 + 1 x A332
YYZ-ATH 3 x A332
YYZ-BCN 1 x A333 + 1 x A332 + 1 x A310
YYZ-BHX 1 x A332
YYZ-CDG 4 x A332 + 2 x A310
YYZ-DUB 4 x A310 + 1 x A332
YYZ-FCO 5 x A332 + 2 x A310
YYZ-FRA 5 x A310
YYZ-GLA 6 x A310 + 1 x A332 (1 Daily flight))
YYZ-IST 1 x A332
YYZ-LGW 8 x A332 + 2 x A333 + 1 x A310
YYZ-MAD 1 x A310
YYZ-MAN 4 x A310 + 2 x A332
YYZ-MUC 1 x A310
YYZ-PSR 1 x A310
YYZ-SNN 1 x A332
YYZ-SUF 1 x A332
YYZ-VCE 1 x A332

YVR-AMS 3 x A332
YVR-CDG 3 x A332
YVR-GLA 1 x A332
YVR-LGW 6 x A332
YVR-MAN 2 x A332
YVR-FRA 4 x A332

So looks like ATH, DUB, BCN, AGP, and MAD have been loaded, but still no sign of VIE or anywhere in Portugal (LIS stops after 2 weekly flights throughout the winter). Still, not too many destinations dropped overall, though some such as MUC lost most service.
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:17 am

YYZ-EXT-NCL-YYZ 1 x weekly A330
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:24 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 14):
looks like AC's ATH and BCN routes from YUL and YYZ pushed TS out of these markets.

So in otherwords, how long will it take for AC to say that the routes are unprofitable and leave the markets.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:55 am

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 16):
I don't think they're all leaving at once, as the current schedules show A310s operating through the summer, but as they're retired some destinations are being dropped.

Any word on if TS is planning a replacement for the A310s? That is going to leave a huge gap in their fleet.

Somebody mentioned used B762ERs.
I'd think a B767-300ER would fill in nicely and offer good flexibility, but its capacity is not much less than their A330.

Something like A321s or B739s, which would allow them good capacity for Caribbean runs, plus hopefully offer a seating advantage that they could use to beat WestJet Vacations, AC, and Sunwing to those destinations. Problem is, those aircraft wouldn't be able to do the TATL work that the A310s can. Finding something that fits their needs and hits the sweet some for crossing the Atlantic plus doing the Caribbean like the A310 will be tough.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:35 am

I would say they would be looking at either 767s 200s or 300s or the 757....
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:41 am

Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 20):
the 757....

Which they got rid of to be replaced by A310s?!?
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:06 am

Which I'd say they would bring back if it suits them and their needs.
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 22):
Which I'd say they would bring back if it suits them and their needs.

...whhich they'll have a hard time finding on the used aircraft market as FedEx is scooping them all up...
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:02 pm

Anyone know if Thomas Cook are still operating to Canada next year?

Nearly all Air Transat flights are sold through the tour operator Canadian Affair in the UK, and if I remember rightly they were purchased by Air Transat a few years ago.... Previously Canadian Affair's UK to Canada timetable has been split roughly 50/50 operated by both airlines and I think they sort if had a code share agreement in place on the routes and worked alongside to compliment each others timetables.

I notice Canadian Affair, no longer mention anything about the TCX 757's and their 35 inch seat pitch... These operated a lot of the east coast flights to Canada. These were some in my favorite rides across the Atlantic and the pricing compared to scheduled carriers was astounding!
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:13 pm

The 757 TCX Canadian program has gone
 
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:44 pm

... A321NEO ???

Those A310 will be hard to replace... So much for market fragmentation, point-to-point bla bla bla. Of course, we are talking charter market here, but the smallest plane for that market is getting bigger, and smaller liaisons are dropped. The 787 and A350 will not change that much, I believe...
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:28 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
Anyone know if Thomas Cook are still operating to Canada next year?

From the recent Thomas Cook thread and the Canadian Affair website, it doesn't look like they'll be back. They're focusing on shorthaul, and of the route's I've looked at, Canadian Affair doesn't show any Thomas Cook flights next summer. It's really too bad, going from MyTravel, Thomas Cook, Transat, Zoom and Skyservice operating Canada-Europe charters to just Transat and Sunwing now.
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RE: Air Transat To Europe - S12

Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:49 pm

My pet peeve on TS is that they configure both their 332 and 333 with similar number of seating meaning that seating on the 333 is less dense. Is there any rhyme or reason where the 333 is deployed?
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