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Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:46 pm

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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:55 pm

Maybe they don't have a crew ready to fly her out.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:56 pm

Any indication why? The aircraft was just certified by EASA & FAA, can hardly be a problem with the plane itself, can it?
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:58 pm

OMG , I hope this turns to be false or something  
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:58 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 2):
can hardly be a problem with the plane itself, can it?

Article says Cargolux informed Boeing and not the other way around. Highly unlikely that it has anything to do with the plane or Boeing.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:05 pm

Boeing's webpage still shows the delivery on Monday: http://www.boeing.com/

Curious what's going on.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:05 pm

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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:08 pm

Just confirmed by Boeing on their twitter feed.

http://twitter.com/#!/Boeing
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:10 pm

So Cargolux wants a bigger rebate because the 747-8 doesn't meet the promised performance specifications.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:19 pm

What I don't understand is , why they fight this , just a couple of days before delivery?
Can someone enlighten me?
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:19 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5):
Boeing's webpage still shows the delivery on Monday: http://www.boeing.com/

... and now they removed the announcement from their webpage. Oooops. Not nice.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:32 pm

Damn. And they were crying for the aircraft too, what with the market recovering at a higher pace than they expected! Must be quite serious if they're willing to delay delivery of an aircraft they want pretty badly.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:32 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
So Cargolux wants a bigger rebate because the 747-8 doesn't meet the promised performance specifications.

Now does it actually say that somewhere, or is that your wishful thinking aloud?
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:34 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
So Cargolux wants a bigger rebate because the 747-8 doesn't meet the promised performance specifications.

No one know what the issue is and we shouldn't start spreading rumors here with out any solid information to back it up.
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 12):
Now does it actually say that somewhere

The article states the issue is (apparently) over contractual performance. Obviously Boeing and GE would deliver on these if they could, and since they can't, compensation is warranted. Assuming the disagreement is over the amount of these compensations isn't a huge leap of faith.

[Edited 2011-09-16 13:40:16]
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 12):
Now does it actually say that somewhere, or is that your wishful thinking aloud?

It's in the link provided by BrouAviation above:

Quote:
The Cargolux row is understood to centre on the 747-8F's non-compliance with contractual guarantees, suggesting that it is connected in some way to the performance issues.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:59 pm

All this just after the first board meeting since Akbar Al Baker joined the board of Cargolux, following completion of the Qatar Airways share acquisition this week. Doesn't sound like a coincidence.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:08 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 15):

I see. Thanks!

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 16):
All this just after the first board meeting since Akbar Al Baker joined the board of Cargolux, following completion of the Qatar Airways share acquisition this week. Doesn't sound like a coincidence.

I can see it already.  rotfl   Wink

[Edited 2011-09-16 14:13:09]
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:11 pm

It seems like Cargolux might have felt they had the upper hand and asked for some things from Boeing, that Boeing wasn't willing to give.

Now, all this media who was coming to Seattle to cover the delivery (FINALLY) of Boeing's new aircraft will write stories on how it is delayed again.

Doesn't help Boeing sell their 747-8I to customers either. Airlines want to rest assured that Boeing is willing to work with them.

Even though an email has been sent by Boeing saying all the media events have been cancelled, still no official press release from either company -- yet.

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Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:20 pm

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 16):
All this just after the first board meeting since Akbar Al Baker joined the board of Cargolux, following completion of the Qatar Airways share acquisition this week. Doesn't sound like a coincidence.

I had similar thoughts... That is gonna be a much louder board room  
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 16):
All this just after the first board meeting since Akbar Al Baker joined the board of Cargolux, following completion of the Qatar Airways share acquisition this week. Doesn't sound like a coincidence.

Very good point. I was wondering why all of a sudden after months of waiting that issues are cropping up now? You just provided the answer.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:43 pm

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/

I guess Randy has not got the Memo yet? Or he knows more then us...
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:47 pm

Randy's info was posted 3 days ago. ERRR yesterday. So this must have been quick! (text was small and looked like the 13th  Smile )

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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:49 pm

Glenn Farley with Seattle's local KING5 NBC station just Tweeted, "Sounds to me like a paperwork issue with legal language, and not some issue with airframe."

http://twitter.com/#!/GlennFarley/status/114815315371753472

Interesting. Even if it has nothing to do with the airframe, a paperwork issues 3 days before delivery? I am having a really hard time picturing how Boeing doesn't come off looking really bad in this one.

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Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:54 pm

You don't pull your crew from Seattle three days before delivery just for a paperwork issue. You pull it to send a message...
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:01 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 22):

Randy's info was posted 3 days ago.

That's funny, they have a time tag form yesterday (15th) on their website? Even though it wasn't updated until today... I'm going to have to change my Internet service provider, because I don't get unpublished data 48-72 hours before it's posted??   
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:31 pm

Randy just posted a new blog talking about the delay:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archive.../747-8f_first_delivery_update.html

"Just yesterday, I was telling you about all the excitement leading up to first delivery of the 747-8 Freighter—including a surprise musical guest who’d be performing for employees. It turns out, that party will have to wait.

We still need to work through some contractual issues with our customer Cargolux, so first delivery won’t take place as scheduled on Monday. Employee and media events for next week have also been postponed.

While this is disappointing to all of us here at Boeing, we’re working with Cargolux to resolve the issues. They’ve been an incredible partner going back a long way. Two decades ago, they became the first carrier worldwide to operate the 747-400 Freighter. It’s only fitting that they became the launch customer of the new 747-8 Freighter.

The 747-8 Freighter is something to celebrate—and we plan on doing just that very soon."

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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:34 pm

Do the tails of these "wallflowers" get painted white now?  
747-8Fs In Limbo, as seen on the Everett ramp being prepped for delivery to Cargolux (7-September-2011).
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:34 pm

This sounds like a VERY nasty development, with Cargolux pulling its personnel from Boeing. I wonder how much off spec is the 748. Boeing is definitely not in a good situation.

It is inconceivable that Cargolux suddenly found out some fine prints that create such an uproar. Some negotiations much have been going on for a long term and Boeing probably assumes they can be resolved in time. Lawyers must have been burning mid-night oil in the last few days. Whether Al Baker added fuel to the fire is unknown.

The media must love this more than just another delivery.

How would Cargolux feel if CX or KE decides to be the first to fly the 748F?
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:46 pm

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 18):
Now, all this media who was coming to Seattle to cover the delivery (FINALLY) of Boeing's new aircraft will write stories on how it is delayed again.

Yes, and you were one of "all this media" to trumpet the news
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:29 am

There are some rumors that the boss of Cargolux is quitting at the end of the year.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:29 am

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 28):
I wonder how much off spec is the 748.

I believe its mainly due to the GENx engine missing initial spec, but I'm sure it can be resolved w/ a PIP package, eventually. Perhaps Cargolux wants a bit of upfront remuneration...
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:35 am

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 18):
Now, all this media who was coming to Seattle to cover the delivery (FINALLY) of Boeing's new aircraft will write stories on how it is delayed again.

Except it isn't delayed.


Cargolux must have a not-insignificant investment in this airframe between deposits and progress payments, so I expect this "tussle" won't be long in duration.

Soon enough they have to take delivery unless they want CX or KE to be "first to fly".
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:50 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 18):
Now, all this media who was coming to Seattle to cover the delivery (FINALLY) of Boeing's new aircraft will write stories on how it is delayed again.

Except it isn't delayed.

Now Stitch... try not to pollute this issue with facts!  
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:55 am

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
So Cargolux wants a bigger rebate because the 747-8 doesn't meet the promised performance specifications.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 14):
The article states the issue is (apparently) over contractual performance.

Contractual performance is *not* the same thing as aircraft performance. The contract may say Boeing is supposed to provide, say, the spares provisioning list 30 days prior to delivery. If they didn't, that's a contract performance issue...but it has nothing to do with the aircraft.

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 28):
It is inconceivable that Cargolux suddenly found out some fine prints that create such an uproar.

It's absolutely conceivable. Not because people aren't careful, but because of the mind boggling amount of paper involved. Aviation is rife, everywhere, with last-minute paperwork.

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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:02 am

As per the latest article on FG

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...747-8f-delivery-over-contract.html

It sounds as if it there may be some very serious performance issues, specifically weight and fuel burn, which even though the two are of course related, does sound as if the GEnx in itself is burning a bit more than expected. The article says GE are working on a PIP2 (which, if you don't mind me saying so, is a bit embarrassing for an aircraft that's yet to enter service) and Boeing are working on a nav update.

The way I read it article, it says the present aircraft will haven a FMC that won't do precision approaches, have no or operationally undesirable RNP certification, and will be making more noise on departure than planned. It'll be heavy, and the engines will burn more fuel than was thought.

Now if you bundle all that up, it's hardly surprising Cargolux have told Boeing they'll need to cough up, and cough up big time, or else. And it seems like Cargolux were not afraid to pull the "or else" card and walk away. And that should tell all of us there's something very, very wrong.

You just don't, as the launch customer, cancel the delivery party of an aircraft that's already 2 years late, a couple of days before the event. You just don't.

What's left to see is what the actual problems are with Cargolux 748F, and if that problem transcends to other F's and, indeed, the passenger version as well. Should that be the case, and I certainly hope it ain't, this could turn rather sour, and rather quickly. The airlines will take the aircraft ordered so far, of that I have no doubt, but if they really are dogs Boeing may be in a position of either having to write off a massive investment or make further investments in the aircraft, devoting an unknown amount of time and money, to get it right.

Here's hoping it ain't so, and that this is but a storm in a tea cup, blown out of proportion by over sized ego's.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:09 am

All of these performance issues have been known for weeks, if not months. It's not like CV just found this out today when Boeing slipped them an envelope and went "What? What? What?".

They've been following the flight test and certification schedule and Boeing has to have been keeping them abreast of the data. If they were not satisfied, they would have said something prior to today.

I expect Tom is on the right track and this is a legal contract issue and not a performance contract issue.

And if it is a legal issue, CV is being prudent, not hyperbolic, by refusing delivery until the issues are resolved because by taking delivery, they may impact their position vis-a-vis the contract.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 34):
It's absolutely conceivable. Not because people aren't careful, but because of the mind boggling amount of paper involved. Aviation is rife, everywhere, with last-minute paperwork.

Typically, in any major deal, lawyers would have walked through every single items and words on a contract and would have highlighted concerns to company officials. Such process (due diligence) goes on for months. Last minute negotiations are usually around a few well known clauses in a contract that need to be resolved while all remaining clauses have been frozen.

If Cargolux is pulling their crews off Seattle, I can imagine the negotiators must have been pounding on the tables.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:53 am

If the 748F delivery gets held up more than a few days the 787 will be out the door first...
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:38 am

Look CArgolux has also been touting the impending delivery of the 748F on their web site so it might that U-Turn Al has decided to thorw in some sort of monkey wrench into the whole works or it could be some language in the paperwork that needs to be straighten out. Trust me I've worked with lawyers and they are a HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS. It's a wonder anything ever get done when they're involved! I've seen some of my deals slip away because of the lawyers. So let's see how this contract issue plays out. Cargolux has paid up much upfront costs for these airplanes and they want them right wawy so they're not going to just walk away.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:56 am

Quoting SPQR (Reply 38):
If the 748F delivery gets held up more than a few days the 787 will be out the door first...

If that happens, that'll be a BIG boost for the 787!
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:14 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):
The way I read it article, it says the present aircraft will haven a FMC that won't do precision approaches, have no or operationally undesirable RNP certification, and will be making more noise on departure than planned. It'll be heavy, and the engines will burn more fuel than was thought.

You read a lot more into that article than it actually said.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:22 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):
The article says GE are working on a PIP2

All estimates point to about a 4% shortfall in original SFC estimates. That only puts the 747-8F about 6% more efficient in burn, compared to the 747-400F. Good, but not great. This 747-8 was a woeful distraction @ Boeing and appears to continue to be.
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:32 am

Cargolux has been working with Boeing for years on this plane.They have taken the two year delay on their chin not screaming in media or publicly threatening cancellations etc.

When they cancel the launch three days before delivery, there is a serious disagreement. It's not just a contractual argument over fineprint. This is a continental European company and fineprint debates isn't solved by public shows of discontent or raised voices.
What this disagreement is about I don't know but if they are annoyed enough to do a public humiliation of Boeing three days before delivery then negotiations between Cargolux and Boeing have broken down.
The two parties must be far from an agreement. Nothing that cant be solved, I am sure it will, but the relationship will remain tainted.

I don't see why Korean or Cathay would accept their planes before Cargolux if its performance related?
Better sit on the sidelines and wait this out. They can only gain from waiting and see what compensation Cargolux receives.
Or maybe they have used the compensation already for other planes. Such compensation doesn't benefit an airline like Cargolux.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:35 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):
You just don't, as the launch customer, cancel the delivery party of an aircraft that's already 2 years late, a couple of days before the event. You just don't.

Oh sure you do. It's playing hardball by manipulating company morale and public opinion. This is hardly unprecedented in business.
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:43 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):
The article says GE are working on a PIP2 (which, if you don't mind me saying so, is a bit embarrassing for an aircraft that's yet to enter service)

The GEnX is almost 6 years old...to be on PIP2 isn't that big a deal. This engine got a long head start on the 787 program.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):
As per the latest article on FG

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...747-8f-delivery-over-contract.html

It sounds as if it there may be some very serious performance issues

The article makes NO connection between the performance issues and the delay. It is highly misleading to suggest that it does. The article makes two separate points...there is a delay over contract wording and the airplane has FMC and fuel burn issues. The latter has been known publicly for some time, so it's unthinkable that Cargolux and the other customers haven't known about it for much longer. Therefore the delay this late in the game when BOTH Boeing and Cargolux were touting delivery Monday means that the problem cannot be the airplane performance.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 43):
When they cancel the launch three days before delivery, there is a serious disagreement. It's not just a contractual argument over fineprint.

These is a multi-hundred-million dollar asset...if there is a contractual problem, you don't just take the airplane and hope it gets worked out later. It's embarrassing as hell but it would be an unconscionable business decision to proceed to take possession when there is an outstanding contract issue.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 43):
This is a continental European company and fineprint debates isn't solved by public shows of discontent or raised voices.

True, but if there's a problem where you don't want to take delivery you don't have much choice. If they can't take the aircraft they can't take the aircraft.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 43):
I don't see why Korean or Cathay would accept their planes before Cargolux if its performance related?

*If* it's airplane performance related. There's zero evidence (beyond wild a.net speculation) that that's the problem, and considerable evidence that it's not.

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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:37 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 44):
Oh sure you do. It's playing hardball by manipulating company morale and public opinion. This is hardly unprecedented in business.

That was my thought too. Al Baker earning his paycheck, by blackmailing Boeing to give concessions or some financial advantage to Cargolux?

At this point we really don't know. This could be anything, including really just having found a paperwork issue, evil pressure from Cargolux without substance, a recently discovered technical/performance issue, compensation negotiation tactics for a small performance issue, or a major performance disagreement that failed to be negotiated before delivery.

It will be interesting to find out more. FlightBlogger, dig into your sources...
 
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:23 am

Something stinks about this whole thing. Cargolux would have known every issue regarding the plane and contracts long ago and were in the loop during the entire production and testing process.

If things were so wrong with the plane, the issues couldn't have been a surprise and if there are known problems, Cargolux couldn't actually be expecting Boeing to fix them by Monday.

The same goes for compensation...did Boeing just inform Cargolux this week about any shortfalls?

Basically, it is impossible that any important issue wouldn't have been known before Friday...and certainly known when Cargolux decided to participate in the handover ceremony.

So why would they agree to participate in a very public ceremony if there were possible deal killing issues yet to be resolved?

Both sides must have agreed that any outstanding issues were not big enough to derail the ceremony...yet here we are.

This was a complete shocker to Boeing...a bolt out of the blue.

The real story about what caused this to happen will be fascinating.

[Edited 2011-09-17 01:29:37]
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:13 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 36):
All of these performance issues have been known for weeks, if not months. It's not like CV just found this out today when Boeing slipped them an envelope and went "What? What? What?".

But we don't know how big these issues are do we, the aircraft must be quite a way off of the mark for Cargolux to throw a hissy fit this close to the delivery. As was said further up the thread you just don't do this, it is the height of industrial rudness and is a calculated insult designed to draw attention to something.. whatever that may be.. it will be hard to keep a lid on it as all the press (industry and financial) booked on a junket to Boeing field are going to have to fill up their collums with something.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 47):
If things were so wrong with the plane, the issues couldn't have been a surprise and if there are known problems, Cargolux couldn't actually be expecting Boeing to fix them by Monday.

As you probably know sometimes in these things the lawyers set a hard deadline to resolve issues, and if its not resolved by that date then they walk and reconvene later.

To the lawyers thats their job done, ops or whoever maintains the customer relationship will just have to deal with it.

[Edited 2011-09-17 02:24:12]
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RE: Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:21 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 47):
Something stinks about this whole thing. Cargolux would have known every issue regarding the plane and contracts long ago and were in the loop during the entire production and testing process.

Well, yes. They might knew the performance or delayment issues regarding the plane and they probably were negotiating with Boeing to get compensated for that. I think these negotiations were dragging on and now Cargolux made it's statement. For Cargolux doing so public means they are probably very angry about something.

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[Edited 2011-09-17 02:25:10]
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