JosephJarvis
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British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:13 am

Hello Everyone,

In the late 1990s and early 2000s, British Airways operated flights to destinations from LGW that are no longer served anymore.
Many of these routes have been ceased for a number of years or were moved to LHR. I am particularly interested in the following routes from LGW and very keen to learn more about these routes:


They are:

Africa:

Abidjan, Ivory Coast
Abuja, Nigeria
Accra, Ghana
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Entebbe/Kampala, Uganda
Harare, Zimbabwe
Lagos, Nigeria
Lilongwe, Malawi
Luanda, Angola
Lusaka, Zambia
Mahe, Seychelles
Mauritius
Nairobi, Kenya


Asia:

Almaty, Kazakhstan
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
Tel Aviv, Israel


North America/Carribbean:

Charlotte, USA
Denver, USA
Grand Cayman Island
Havana, Cuba
Nassau, Bahamas
Pittsburgh, USA
San Jose, Costa Rica
San Juan, Puerto Rico


Europe:

Alicante, Spain
Antwerp, Belgium
Bremen, Germany
Cologne, Germany
Florence, Italy
Gdansk, Poland
Gothenburg, Sweden
Hanover, Germany
Inverness, Scotland
Montpellier, France
Riga, Latvia
Skopje, Macedonia
Trieste, Italy
Vilnius, Lithuania
Zagreb, Croatia


South America:

Bogota, Colombia
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Caracas, Venezuela
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Santiago, Chile
Sao Paulo, Brazil



I am looking for anyone who would be able to provide me with the flight numbers, scheduled departure and arrival times and frequency of these routes (per day(s) and/or per week).
I would be most grateful for any information anyone has on these routes, but I am only looking for this information for LGW, not LHR.

Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

[Edited 2011-09-16 20:15:10]
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:22 am

In the United States, British Airways had flights from Gatwick to the following as well:

-Baltimore (BWI); mix of 767 and 777. At the end, CLT was tagged onto BWI
-Houston (IAH); mix of 747 and 777. Think DC-10s were here at one point. This was pre-Bermuda II ending.
-Dallas (DFW); believe it was mostly 777. Again, another pre-B2 ending route.
-Atlanta (ATL); was a 777 at the end out of Gatwick. Again, blame B2 for moving it to Heathrow
-New York (JFK); mix of 767 and 777s. Ended shortly after B2 ended; BA was going to try and keep one JFK flight to Gatwick but quickly pulled it.

Denver, San Diego and Baltimore got to move over to Heathrow before B2 formally ended as there was no US competition on these routes, and there was a loophole that said if only one airline were to fly to a non-B2 city to London, it could be served from Heathrow. Hence, why IAH (CO), ATL (DL) and DFW (AA) had to stay at Gatwick until Open Skies was reached. San Diego had long been a Heathrow route though, served as a tag from Phoenix.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:36 am

A couple of flight numbers, of my flights from Riga and to JFK in June 2000:

RIX-LGW, B737-400, BA2871, departure 6.45 am
LGW-JFK, B767-300ER, BA2173, departure 10.30 am
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:06 am

Quote: RIX-LGW, B737-400, BA2871, departure 6.45 am

Thank you for your reply, this was helpful. Do you know if there was more than one British Airways LGW-Riga flight, apart from the 06:45am departure? Also do you know what time you arrived back at LGW from Riga?

Thank you.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:57 am

Is there anything here that might be of interest?

http://www.lhr-lgw.co.uk//groupfiles/newlgwarchive.htm

Hope this helps!
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:07 am

GOT-LGW was operated up until a couple of months after 9/11 if I'm not mistaken, cancelled and resumed from LHR last November. I believe frequency was 3x/d but there might have been the odd flight not operating Sa or so. One of the flights stayed overnight at GOT, late night arrival, early morning departure and the others should be spread across the day. As for flight numbers, I specifically remember hearing Speedbird 2784 on my scanner back in the days and I believe that was in the afternoon, so I'm guessing 2781-2786, possibly adjusted one or two steps forwards or backwards. Sorry I can't be more specific.

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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:42 am

Baku.....initially operated by 767 & later by DC10
Aden/Saanaa operated by DC10


Two more to add to the list.....
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:12 pm

Colombo, Sri Lanka. DC10s and then 777s. Not sure about the timetable but was often via AUH or DXB.
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:29 pm

Grand Cayman/Nassau was DC10 routed LGW-GCM-NAS-LGW up to either winter98 or summer 99. It was a 767 by summer 1999, routed LGW-NAS-GCM-NAS-LGW. I believe it went a 777 at some point before transferring to LHR (in summer 01 I believe), and the flight numbers were 2253/2252 I believe.

Sao Paulo and Rio were 2246/2247 on the B744. They were overnight in both directions as the flight to GRU from LHR is. Again, this transferred to LHR sometime in 01.
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:41 pm

Flew the Cologne route on 25/27 May 1996 with BA...or more accurately BA City Flyer Express. Aircraft were G-BXEG, ATR-42 outbound and G-BVTK ATR-72 inbound
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:47 pm

Not to forget two very interesting ones;

Aden
Sanna

in Yemen. Was operated with DC-10 equipment, not sure how long it lasted though.

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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:09 pm

Joseph, send me your e-mail address via my profile, i have a BA timetable valid 29 October 2000 to 24 March 2001, would be more than happy to send you a full list of all flights and frequencies
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:22 pm

http://wap.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ral_aviation/print.main?id=5208333
There is alot of information on this previous topic^
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:51 pm

BA also flew to DUB from LGW up until a few years ago with a 737, used to be flown by Cityflyer Express until they flew the route themselves.
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:15 pm

Domestically, NCL and ABZ have also been operated by BA, as well as LBA, GCI, NQY and PLH.
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
-Houston (IAH); mix of 747 and 777. Think DC-10s were here at one point. This was pre-Bermuda II ending.

IAH had an interesting tag flight that was aimed squarely at oil business. BA had one flight that would fly LHR-ORD-IAH-ORD-LHR. Skirted B2 and allowed them to connect people onward from Heathrow more easily.
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:50 pm

I flew LGW-TLV-LGW in the late 90's; for while it was a daily service operated initially by 737-400 then DC10. It depated LGW at about 09.00 and returned from TLV at about 5pm; similar timing to the morning service now operated by BA from T5.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:05 pm

I remember having to do a bit of work in DUB to help them out and I checked-in the last DUB-LGW flight, was also the last BA flight altogether after flying there for so many years  
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:08 pm

BA also flew LGW-SPU before loosing out to U2 and OU.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:41 am

When did BA fly to Split?
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:47 am

It's sad to see what LGW has become due to the economy. The last time I flew in there as on AA years a go. It use to be the largest single runway airport in the world.   
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:26 am

I also vividly remember flying a British ATR from Duesseldorf to Gatwick about 10 years ago, with the 777 Connection to DFW. (Also got the chance to take the AA Fokker from DFW to SAT afterwards)
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:41 am

Flights to Havana, Cuba was a weekly service on Saturdays. BA inaugurated service to HAV in April 1999 with a Boeing 777 and ended in March 2002; thereafter BA placed its code on IB's daily flight to HAV via Madrid. Rumor was that the route was attracting few first-class and business-class passengers.

Virgin Atlantic picked up the route 3 years later using a Boeing 744, with a seating configuration better suitable for the route- less premium and more economy. Initially 2x weekly the flight will be upgraded to 3x on November 5th, 2011. Cubana also operates the route LGW-HAV 2x.

Regards.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:25 am

Quoting nostrum (Reply 22):
Flights to Havana, Cuba was a weekly service on Saturdays. BA inaugurated service to HAV in April 1999 with a Boeing 777 and ended in March 2002; thereafter BA placed its code on IB's daily flight to HAV via Madrid. Rumor was that the route was attracting few first-class and business-class passengers.

Virgin Atlantic picked up the route 3 years later using a Boeing 744, with a seating configuration better suitable for the route- less premium and more economy. Initially 2x weekly the flight will be upgraded to 3x on November 5th, 2011. Cubana also operates the route LGW-HAV 2x.

Regards.


Thanks for the reply. Do you know what time the BA Havana flights departed and arrived at LGW? Also the flight numbers?

Regards,
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:35 pm

Quoting nostrum (Reply 22):
Flights to Havana, Cuba was a weekly service on Saturdays. BA inaugurated service to HAV in April 1999 with a Boeing 777 and ended in March 2002; thereafter BA placed its code on IB's daily flight to HAV via Madrid. Rumor was that the route was attracting few first-class and business-class passengers.

Virgin Atlantic picked up the route 3 years later using a Boeing 744, with a seating configuration better suitable for the route- less premium and more economy. Initially 2x weekly the flight will be upgraded to 3x on November 5th, 2011. Cubana also operates the route LGW-HAV 2x.

Regards.

I thought Havana was one of the AML route with the 3-4-3 777s? Some of the routes had to be dropped when the AML arrangement ended because the landing rights were split between BA and JMC (now Thomas Cook).

Sad to see BA's decline at Gatwick. I first flew from there in 1998 and it was full of BA 742s, 744s, DC-10s, 767s and I think the 777 had just started from there. Was there a few weeks ago and just a couple of 777s and the old 737s whilst Easyjet A319s and A320s were all over the place.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:30 pm

I've looked up some old BA timetables for Gatwick and the following may be of interest to people: -

Winter 1995-96
Longhaul: -
* Seychelles - Mauritius - 2x Weekly 742
* Lagos - 4x Weekly 742
* Accra - Lagos - 3x Weekly 742
* Manchester - Islamabad - 2x Weekly 742
* Abu Dhabi - Colombo - 2x Weekly D10
* New York (JFK) - 1x Daily D10
* Dallas/Fort Worth - 1x Daily D10
* Baltimore - 1x Daily 763
* Charlotte - 1x Daily 763
* Pittsburgh - 1x Daily 763
* Houston (IAH) - 1x Daily D10
* Atlanta - 1x Daily D10
* Bermuda - 3x Weekly D10
* Orlando - 4x Weekly 742
* Antigua - Barbados - 1x Weekly 742
* Antigua - Grenada - 2x Weekly 742
* Antigua - St Lucia - 1x Weekly 742
* Barbados - St Lucia - 2x Weekly 742
* Barbados - 1x Weekly 742
* Montego Bay - Kingston - 3x Weekly 742
* Miami - 1x Daily 742

Operated by Caledonian Airways but with BA code
* Nassau - Grand Cayman - 2x Weekly D10
* Tampa - 2x Weekly D10
* San Jian - 1x Weekly D10

Shorthaul: -
* Manchester - up to 6x Daily 737
* Aberdeen - up to 3x Daily 737
* Paris (CDG) - up to 7x Daily
* Montpelier - 1x Daily 737
* Bordeaux - 1x Daily 737
* Nice - 4x Weekly 737
* Toulouse - 2x Daily 737
* Brussels - 4x Daily 737
* Madrid - 3x Daily 737
* Malaga - 2x Daily 737
* Faro - 11x Weekly 737
* Rome (Fiumicino) - 1x Daily 737
* Milan (Linate) - 1x Daily 737
* Verona - 13x Weekly 737
* Naples - 2x Daily 737
* Genoa - 13x Weekly 737
* Athens - 1x Daily 737
* Tel Aviv - 1x Daily 737
* Vienna - 2x Daily 737
* Geneva - 20x Weekly 737
* Oslo - 1x Daily 737
* Gothenburg - 1x Daily 737
* Stavanger - 6x Weekly 737
* Copenhagen - 2x Daily 737
* Moscow (Sheremetyevo) - 1x Daily 737
* Sofia - 4x Weekly 737
* Bucharest - 3x Weekly 737
* Bucharest - Baku - 3x Weekly 737
* Frankfurt - 3x Weekly 737

Operated by TAT European: -
* Lyon - 2x Daily F28
* Marseille - 2x Daily F100

Operated by Deutsche BA: -
* Munich - 13x Weekly 733
* Bremen - 18x Weekly S20

Operated by GB Airways (franchise agreement)
* Gibraltar - 5x Weekly 737
* Funchal - 3x Weekly 737
* Murcia - 2x Weekly 737
* Valencia - 4x Weekly 737

Operated by CityFlyer Express (franchise agreement)
* Amsterdam - 3x Daily ATR
* Antwerp - 3x Daily ATR
* Cork - 1x Daily ATR
* Dublin - up to 4x Daily ATR
* Dusseldorf - 15x Weekly ATR
* Guernsey - 14x Weekly ATR
* Jersey - 3x Daily ATR
* Newcastle - up to 5x Daily ATR
* Rotterdam - up to 4x Daily ATR
* Leeds/Bradford - 17x Weekly ATR

[Edited 2011-09-18 07:45:25]
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:36 pm

British Airways at London Gatwick - Summer 1998
Notable for the use of the 757 on some shorthaul flights.

Longhaul: -
* Accra - 2x Weekly D10
* Accra - Abidjan - 2x Weekly D10
* Atlanta - 1x Daily 772
* Baku - 4x Weekly D10
* Baltimore - 1x Daily 763
* Barbados - Antigua - 3x Weekly 744
* Barbados - Grenada - 1x Weekly 744
* Barbados - St Lucia - 2x Weekly 744
* Bermuda - 4x Weekly 777
* Buenos Aires - Santiago de Chile - 4x Weekly 744
* Caracas - Bogota - 3x Weekly 744
* Charlotte - 1x Daily 763
* Dallas/Fort Worth - 1x Daily 772
* Denver - 1x Daily 772
* Dhahran - 6x Weekly 772
* Entebbe/Kampala - Dar es Salaam - 3x Weekly D10
* Grenada - Barbados - 1x Weekly 744
* Harare - Lilongwe - 1x Weekly 744
* Harare - Lusaka - 3x Weekly 744
* Houston (IAH) - 1x Daily 744
* Kano - 2x Weekly D10
* Lagos - 1x Daily 744
* Lusaka - Lilongwe - 1x Weekly 744
* Manchester - Islamabad - 3x Weekly 744
* Miami - 1x Daily 744
* Nairobi - 1x Daily 744
* New York (JFK) - 1x Daily EQV
* Orlando - 5x Weekly 744
* Phoenix - San Diego - 1x Daily 744
* Pittsburgh - 1x Daily 763
* Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo - 2x Weekly
* Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro - 3x Weekly
* Seychelles - Mauritius - 3x Weekly 744
* Tel Aviv - 1x Daily D10

Operated by AML (joint venture with JMC)
* Cancun - 1x Weekly D10
* Grand Cayman - Nassau - 3x Weekly D10
* Kingston - Montego Bay - 4x Weekly D10
* San Juan - 2x Weekly D10
* Tampa - 5x Weekly D10
* Tobago - 1x Weekly D10

Shorthaul: -
* Aberdeen - up to 4x Daily 737
* Athens - 1x Daily 757
* Barcelona - 2x Daily 737
* Belgrade - 6x Weekly 737
* Brussels - 22x Weekly 737
* Bucharest - 10x Weekly 737
* Copenhagen - 2x Daily 737
* Edinburgh - up to 6x Daily 737
* Frankfurt - up to 3x Daily 737
* Geneva - up to 3x Daily 737
* Genoa - 2x Daily 737
* Glasgow - up to 6x Daily 737
* Gothenburg - 1x Daily 737
* Helsinki - 2x Daily 737
* Krakow - 4x Weekly 737
* Kyiv - 5x Weekly 737
* Ljubljana - 3x Weekly 737
* Madrid - 3x Daily 737/757
* Manchester - up to 6x Daily 737/757
* Marseille - 3x Daily 737/757
* Milan (LIN) - 2x Daily 737
* Montpelier - 8x Weekly 737
* Moscow (SVO) - 1x Daily 757
* Naples - 2x Daily 737/757
* Oslo - 13x Weekly 737/757
* Paris (CDG) - up to 5x Daily 737
* Perpignan - 1x Weekly 737
* Pisa - 2x Daily 737/757
* Riga - 5x Weekly 737
* Rome (FCO) - 2x Daily 737
* St Petersburg - 5x Weekly 757
* Sofia - 4x Weekly 737
* Stavanger - 2x Weekly 737
* Stockholm (ARN) - 3x Daily 737
* Trieste - 1x Daily 737
* Verona - 19x Weekly 737
* Vienna - 2x Daily 737
* Vilnius - 4x Weekly 737
* Zagreb - 7x Weekly 737

Operated by British Regional Airlines (franchise agreement)
* Inverness - 3x Daily 146

Operated by Brymon Airways (franchise agreement)
* Newquay - Plymouth - 2x Daily DH8
* Plymouth - Bristol - 5x Weekly DH8
* Plymouth - Newquay - 2x Daily DH8

Operated by CityFlyer Express (franchise agreement)
* Amsterdam - up to 4x Daily ARJ/ATR
* Antwerp - up to 3x Daily ATR
* Bremen - up to 3x Daily ATR
* Cologne/Bonn - up to 4x Daily ATR
* Cork - 15x Weekly ATR
* Dublin - up to 5x Daily ARJ
* Dusseldorf - 2x Daily ATR
* Guernsey - up to 4x Daily ATR
* Jersey - 4x Daily ATR (plus extra on certain Sat/Sun)
* Luxembourg - up to 3x Daily ATR
* Newcastle - up to 7x Daily ATR
* Rotterdam - 20x Weekly ATR
* Zurich - 3x Daily ARJ

Operated by GB Airways (franchise agreement)
* Faro - 9x Weekly 737
* Funchal - 3x Weekly 737
* Gibraltar - 11x Weekly 737
* Gibraltar - Casablanca - 3x Weekly 737
* Jerez de la Frontera - 3x Weekly 737
* Lisbon - 1x Daily 737
* Malaga - 12x Weekly 737
* Malta - 1x Daily 737
* Marrakech - Casablanca - 2x Weekly 737
* Murcia - 4x Weekly 737
* Palma de Mallorca - 5x Weekly 737
* Porto - 13x Weekly 737
* Tangier - Casablanca - 2x Weekly 737
* Tunis - 4x Weekly 737
* Valencia - 6x Weekly 737

Operated by Deutsche BA
* Hamburg - 13x Weekly 733
* Munich - 13x Weekly 733

Operated by TAT European
* Bordeaux - 3x Daily 737/F100
* Toulouse - 3x Daily 737/F100

[Edited 2011-09-18 08:39:37]
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:37 pm

British Airways at London Gatwick - Summer 1999

Longhaul
* Abidjan - Accra - 1x Weekly 772
* Accra - Abidjan - 1x Weekly 772
* Accra - 3x Weekly 772
* Atlanta - 1x Daily 772/763
* Baku - Tashkent - 3x Weekly 763
* Baltimore - 1x Daily 763
* Barbados - Antigua - 3x Weekly 744
* Barbados - Grenada - 2x Weekly 744
* Barbados - St Lucia - 2x Weekly 744
* Bermuda - 4x Weekly 772
* Buenos Aires - Santiago de Chile - 1x Daily 744
* Caracas - Bogota - 3x Weekly 744
* Charlotte - 1x Daily 772/763
* Dallas/Fort Worth - 1x Daily 772
* Denver - 1x Daily 744/772
* Dhahran - 6x Weekly 772
* Entebbe/Kampala - Dar es Salaam - 2x Weekly 744
* Harare - Lilongwe - 1x Weekly 744
* Harare - Lusaka - 3x Weekly 744
* Houston (IAH) - 1x Daily 744
* Lagos - 1x Daily 744
* Mauritius - 1x Weekly 744
* Miami - 1x Daily 744
* Nairobi - 2x Weekly 744
* Nairobi - Entebbe/Kampala - 1x Weekly 744
* Nairobi - Mauritius - 2x Weekly 744
* Nairobi - Seychelles - 2x Weekly 744
* New York (JFK) - 1x Daily 763/772
* Orlando - 1x Daily 744
* Phoenix - San Diego - 1x Daily 744
* Pittsburgh - 1x Daily 763
* Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo - 2x Weekly 744
* Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro - 3x Weekly 744
* Tel Aviv - 1x Daily 772

Operated by AML (Joint venture with JMC)
* Cancun - 2x Weekly 772
* Nassau - Grand Cayman - 2x Weekly 772
* Nassau - Havana - 1x Weekly 772
* Kingston - Montego Bay - 4x Weekly 772
* San Juan - San Jose (Costa Rica) - 1x Weekly 772
* San Juan - Tobago - 1x Weekly 772
* Tampa - 5x Weekly 772

Shorthaul
* Aberdeen - up to 4x Daily 737
* Athens - 1x Daily 737/757
* Barcelona - 2x Daily 737
* Belgrade - 4x Weekly 737
* Brussels - 20x Weekly 737
* Bucharest - 9x Weekly 737
* Edinburgh - up to 6x Daily 737
* Frankfurt - 20x Weekly 737
* Gdansk - 3x Weekly 737
* Geneva - 20x Weekly 737
* Genoa - 2x Daily 737
* Glasgow - up to 6x Daily 737
* Gothenburg - 3x Daily 737
* Kyiv - 5x Weekly 737
* Ljubljana - 4x Weekly 737
* Madrid - 3x Daily 737
* Manchester - up to 7x Daily 737
* Marseille - 3x Daily 737 (plus additional 1x Fri service)
* Milan (MXP) - 13x Weekly 737
* Montpelier - 1x Daily (plus additional 1x Sat service)
* Moscow (SVO) - 1x Daily 757
* Naples - 2x Daily 737
* Oslo - 13x Weekly 737
* Paris (CDG) - up to 5x Daily 737
* Pisa - 2x Daily 737
* Riga - 1x Daily 737
* Rome (FCO) - 2x Daily 737
* St Petersburg - 5x Weekly 737/757
* Sofia - 6x Weekly 737
* Stockholm (ARN) - 3x Daily 737
* Trieste - 1x Daily 737
* Verona - 19x Weekly 737
* Vienna - 2x Daily 737
* Vilnius - 5x Weekly 737
* Zagreb - 1x Daily 737

Operated by British Regional Airlines (franchise agreement)
* Inverness - 3x Daily 146

Operated by Brymon Airways (franchise agreement)
* Newquay - 5x Weekly
* Newquay - Plymouth - 2x Daily
* Plymouth - Bristol - 5x Weekly
* Plymouth - Newquay - 1x Daily (plus additional 1x Sat/Sun service)

Operated by CityFlyer Express (franchise agreement)
* Amsterdam - up to 6x Daily ARJ/ATR
* Bremen - 20x Weekly ARJ/ATR
* Cologne/Bonn - 12x Weekly ATR
* Cork - 3x Daily ARJ/ATR (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Dublin - up to 7x Daily ARJ
* Dusseldorf - 3x Daily ATR (plus additional Sat service)
* Guernsey - 4x Daily ATR (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Jersey - 5x Daily ATR (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Luxembourg - 17x Weekly ARJ/ATR
* Newcastle - up to 6x Daily ATR
* Nice - 2x Daily ARJ
* Rotterdam - 17x Weekly ATR
* Zurich - 3x Daily ARJ

Operated by GB Airways (franchise agreement)
* Alicante - 6x Weekly 737
* Faro - 10x Weekly 737
* Funchal - 3x Weekly 737
* Gibraltar - 12x Weekly 737
* Lisbon - 13x Weekly 737
* Malaga - 12x Weekly 737
* Malta - 1x Daily 737
* Marrakech - Agadir - 1x Weekly 737
* Murcia - 3x Weekly 737
* Palma de Mallorca - 1x Daily 737
* Porto - 13x Weekly 737
* Seville - Casablanca - 5x Weekly 737
* Tangier - Casablanca - 2x Weekly 737
* Tunis - 4x Weekly 737
* Valencia - 6x Weekly 737

Operated by Air Liberte (BA subsiduary)
* Bordeaux - 3x Daily M80/F100
* Toulouse - 3x Daily M80/F100

Operated by Deutsche BA (BA subsidury)
* Hamburg - 2x Daily 733 (plus additional 1x Sat service)
* Munich - 20x Weekly 733
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:56 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 20):

It's sad to see what LGW has become due to the economy. The last time I flew in there as on AA years a go. It use to be the largest single runway airport in the world.

I believe that it is still the busiest single runway airport in the world. It actually has 2 runways but both cannot be used simultaneously hence the accolade. LGW has seen a decline in recent years but under new the management attempts are being made to reverse this. The decline of BA's services there (and thanks FlyCaledonian, I never realised that BA had so many routes from LGW) can be attributed to several factors apart from the economy:

1. U2's phenomenal growth following their purchases of GO and GB Airways (ironically, both had been associated with BA) plus organic expansion, thus grabbing a huge share of short-haul traffic

2. FR and EI arriving and taking away the DUB traffic, the latter airline carrying BA codeshares on their services now

3. Eurostar taking away the CDG traffic - remember that back in 1995 through 1999 they were only establishing themselves in the market plus they were then perceived as expensive

4. The end of Bermuda II with the US and EU Open Skies policy saw BA move most of their US services to LHR as did most of the US airlines

5. BA's increasingly LHR-centric approach in recent years, encouraged by several factors including the arrival of Terminal 5.

It is also interesting to see that the AML arrangement covered KIN and MBJ - while the other destinations it covered were purely tourist destinations one wonders how that arrangement worked on the VFR route to KIN. Things were different then though as JM was in LHR and captured much of the VFR traffic.

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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:33 pm

Also the decision that BA took to de hub Gatwick about 10 years ago. The 744s and 767s all went back to LHR around the same time and many routes not under Bermuda 2 or leisure routes went the same way or were cut. Shorthaul was cut back more gradually but the tables between BA and U2 were definitely turned when U2 bought GB Airways.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:04 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 28):
It is also interesting to see that the AML arrangement covered KIN and MBJ - while the other destinations it covered were purely tourist destinations one wonders how that arrangement worked on the VFR route to KIN.

I think by the Summer of 2001 AML had been dissolved, but he 10-abreast 777s were still operating (BA had just launched New Club World at this point and the aircraft reverted to 9-abreast when NCW and WT+ were fitted). The BA45xx flight series was still in use for the 10-abreast birds, which were now operating Antigua, St Lucia, Grenada and Tobago flights, as well as Kingston, Montego Bay, Havana, Cancun and Tampa flights.

When I get time I'll try post the Summer 2001 information, as well as some other years from the 1990s.


9-11 also had an impact on LGW, and the Summer 2001 schedule when I post it will contrast with the Winter 2001-2002 one.
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:06 pm

Looking at the above, I couldn't imagine the North Terminal catering for all these flights, especially without Pier 6. Where did they board these 747s from, some of the gates are bad enough with 200 passengers in.

It is interesting to see the variety of destinations operated from LGW, no wonder people hark back to the olden days.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:45 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 27):
British Airways at London Gatwick - Summer 1999

Longhaul
* Abidjan - Accra - 1x Weekly 772
* Accra - Abidjan - 1x Weekly 772
* Accra - 3x Weekly 772
* Atlanta - 1x Daily 772/763
* Baku - Tashkent - 3x Weekly 763
* Baltimore - 1x Daily 763
* Barbados - Antigua - 3x Weekly 744
* Barbados - Grenada - 2x Weekly 744
* Barbados - St Lucia - 2x Weekly 744
* Bermuda - 4x Weekly 772
* Buenos Aires - Santiago de Chile - 1x Daily 744
* Caracas - Bogota - 3x Weekly 744
* Charlotte - 1x Daily 772/763
* Dallas/Fort Worth - 1x Daily 772
* Denver - 1x Daily 744/772
* Dhahran - 6x Weekly 772
* Entebbe/Kampala - Dar es Salaam - 2x Weekly 744
* Harare - Lilongwe - 1x Weekly 744
* Harare - Lusaka - 3x Weekly 744
* Houston (IAH) - 1x Daily 744
* Lagos - 1x Daily 744
* Mauritius - 1x Weekly 744
* Miami - 1x Daily 744
* Nairobi - 2x Weekly 744
* Nairobi - Entebbe/Kampala - 1x Weekly 744
* Nairobi - Mauritius - 2x Weekly 744
* Nairobi - Seychelles - 2x Weekly 744
* New York (JFK) - 1x Daily 763/772
* Orlando - 1x Daily 744
* Phoenix - San Diego - 1x Daily 744
* Pittsburgh - 1x Daily 763
* Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo - 2x Weekly 744
* Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro - 3x Weekly 744
* Tel Aviv - 1x Daily 772

Operated by AML (Joint venture with JMC)
* Cancun - 2x Weekly 772
* Nassau - Grand Cayman - 2x Weekly 772
* Nassau - Havana - 1x Weekly 772
* Kingston - Montego Bay - 4x Weekly 772
* San Juan - San Jose (Costa Rica) - 1x Weekly 772
* San Juan - Tobago - 1x Weekly 772
* Tampa - 5x Weekly 772

Thank you for your response. Do you know the departure/arrival times and flight numbers of these long haul flights?
I would be very grateful if you were able to provide me with them. Thank you.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:07 am

To those who have contacted me regarding a full list giving flight numbers, frequencies in winter 2000, for some reason hotmail is not allowing me to reply, if you have a different e-mail address could you msg me? thanks
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:01 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 20):
It's sad to see what LGW has become due to the economy. The last time I flew in there as on AA years a go. It use to be the largest single runway airport in the world.

It still is, amazes me people judge an airport by the number of legacy carrier long haul routes way too much on here.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:49 pm

Joseph,

I have the BA 29 October 1990 - 30 March 1991 timetable. I could photocopy the relevant pages showing the schedule out of LGW, please let me know if you need this.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:11 pm

British Airways also used to fly to Sarajevo from Gatwick..
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:49 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 34):
It still is, amazes me people judge an airport by the number of legacy carrier long haul routes way too much on here.

Not necessarily legacy carriers, but long haul routes can represent the most revenue per flight for the airport when the fees are based on aircraft weight, NOx emissions and turnaround time and charges per passenger at check-in.

Gatwick Airport charges can be found here:

http://airlines.gatwickairport.com/docs/Conditions%20of%20Use.pdf

Long haul passengers also traditionally check-in earlier and therefore represent more revenue opportunity from a retail point of view and additionally are away longer so again represent a better opportunity for revenue from car parking.

I am not disputing that short haul small aircraft flights contribute greatly to an airport, but you cannot dispute that each and every airport would be happy to remove short haul low capacity aircraft for long haul high capacity aircraft, they use less slots, transport more people and provide much greater revenue. That is why Gatwick have gone after Air Asia X, Vietnam Airlines and others recently.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:53 pm

British Airways at London Gatwick - Summer 1992

Longhaul
* Accra - Abidjan - 1x Weekly D10
* Antigua - Barbados - 1x Weekly 742
* Antigua - St Lucia - 1x Weekly 742
* Antigua - San Juan - 2x Weekly 742
* Atlanta - 1x Daily D10
* Barbados - Grenada - 1x Weekly 742
* Barbados - Port of Spain - 2x Weekly 742
* Barbados - St Lucia - 1x Weekly 742
* Bermuda - Tampa - 2x Weekly D10
* Dallas/Fort Worth - 1x Daily D10
* Delhi - 1x Weekly 742
* Delhi - Hong Kong - 2x Weekly 742
* Delhi - Hong Kong - Manila - 3x Weekly 742
* Dubai - Seychelles - Mauritius - 2x Weekly 742
* Houston - 1x Daily D10
* Kano - Accra - 2x Weekly D10
* Lagos - 1x Daily 742
* Manchester - Islamabad - 2x Weekly 742
* Montego Bay - Kingston - 3x Weekly 742
* New York (JFK) - 1x Daily D10
* Orlando - 4x Weekly 742

Shorthaul
* Copenhagen - 2x Daily 737
* Faro - 13x Weekly 737
* Frankfurt - 3x Daily 737
* Geneva - 20x Weekly 737
* Genoa - 1x Daily 737
* Madrid - 2x Daily 737
* Malaga - 2x Daily 737
* Milan (Bergamo) - 2x Daily 737
* Naples - 12x Weekly 737

Operated by CityFlyer Express (franchise agreement)
* Antwerp - 3x Daily SH6
* Guernsey - 3x Daily SH6 (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Jersey - 4x Daily ATR/SH6 (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Rotterdam - up to 4x Daily SH6
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:23 pm

[b]British Airways at London Gatwick - Summer 1994[b]

Longhaul
* Accra - Kano - 1x Weekly D10
* Aden - Sana'a - 2x Weekly D10
* Antigua - Barbados - 1x Weekly 742
* Antigua - St Lucia - 2x Weekly 742
* Antigua - San Juan - 1x Weekly 742
* Atlanta - 1x Daily D10
* Barbados - Grenada - 1x Weekly 742
* Barbados - Port of Spain - 2x Weekly 742
* Barbados - St Lucia - 1x Weekly 742
* Bermuda - 3x Weekly D10
* Dallas/Fort Worth - 1x Daily D10
* Houston - 1x Daily 742
* Kano - Accra - 2x Weekly D10
* Lagos - 1x Daily 742
* Manchester - Islamabad - 2x Weekly 742
* Montego Bay - Kingston - 3x Weekly 742
* New York (JFK) - 1x Daily D10
* Orlando - 4x Weekly 742
* Seychelles - Mauritius - 2x Weekly 742

Operated by USAir (aircraft in BA colours and crews wore BA uniform)
* Baltimore - 1x Daily 762
* Charlotte - 1x Daily 762
* Pittsburgh 1x Daily 762

Shorthaul
* Aberdeen - up to 3x Daily 737
* Athens - 1x Daily 737
* Bordeaux - 2x Daily 737
* Brussels - up to 4x Daily 737
* Copenhagen - 2x Daily 737
* Faro - 2x Daily 737
* Frankfurt - 3x Daily 737
* Geneva - 20x Weekly 737
* Genoa - 2x Daily 737
* Madrid - 3x Daily 737
* Malaga - 2x Daily 737 (plus additional 1x Sat/Sun service)
* Manchester - up to 4x Daily 737
* Manchester - Aberdeen - 1x Daily 737
* Montpellier - 1x Daily 737
* Naples - 2x Daily 737
* Nice - 1x Daily 737
* Oslo - 6x Weekly 737
* Paris (CDG) - up to 8x Daily 737
* Perpignan - 2x Weekly 737
* Rome (FCO) - 1x Daily 737
* Stavanger - 6x Weekly 737
* Tel Aviv - 1x Daily 737
* Toulouse - 2x Daily 737
* Verona - 2x Daily 737
* Vienna - 2x Daily 737

Operated by TAT European
* Lyon - 13x Weekly F28
* Marseille - 19x Weekly F28

Operated by CityFlyer Express (franchise agreement)
* Antwerp - 3x Daily SH6
* Dublin - up to 4x Daily ATR
* Dusseldorf - 1x Daily ATR
* Guernsey - 3x Daily SH6 (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Jersey - 4x Daily ATR (plus additional Sat/Sun service)
* Leeds/Bradford - 12x Weekly SH6
* Newcastle - 17x Weekly ATR
* Rotterdam - up to 4x Daily ATR
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:52 pm

All these flights are making me sad!   I hope some of the american carriers will come here again soon. I wonder if DL or US will add anymore routes...
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:14 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 38):
Delhi - Hong Kong - Manila - 3x Weekly 742

Do you know what the scheduled departure/arrival times are of this flight and the flight numbers?

Thank you.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:52 pm

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 41):
Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 38):
Delhi - Hong Kong - Manila - 3x Weekly 742

Do you know what the scheduled departure/arrival times are of this flight and the flight numbers?

Thank you.

Flight was BA35/36, left LGW at 1300, arrived at Manila at 1400 the next day. Return left Manila at 1730 and came back at 0525 next day. (According to summer 1991 timetable).
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:11 pm

From your list, I'd love to see the following return:

Quoting JosephJarvis (Thread starter):
Africa:
Mahe, Seychelles

North America/Carribbean:
Grand Cayman Island
Havana, Cuba
Nassau, Bahamas
San Jose, Costa Rica

Europe:
Alicante, Spain
Inverness, Scotland
Montpellier, France

I'd also love to see the following former routes operated from LGW again:
Antalya, Turkey
Barcelona, Spain
Bodrum, Turkey
Corfu, Greece
Dalaman, Turkey
Heraklion, Greece
Madrid, Spain
Malta
Milan, Italy
Nantes, France
Nice, France
Palma, Spain
Porto, Portugal
Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt
Tenerife, Spain
Valencia, Spain

If the following South American destinations ever return to the BA network, I'd expect them to be from LHR:

Bogota, Colombia
Caracas, Venezuela
Santiago, Chile
Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:26 pm

Hi everyone,

This might sound a bit silly, but on the departure screens at LGW, did flights such as San Juan and San Jose and Caracas and Bogota for example, show up as San Jose via San Juan and Bogota via Caracas, or were they shown as separate flights?

Thank you.
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 44):

Not sure about in the past, but nowadays they come up as "A via B" I think
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:38 pm

I seem to recall a BA flight to TFS from LGW, B737, think it was the only airline offering a Club type product from the UK.

[Edited 2011-09-27 15:13:28]
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 43):
From your list, I'd love to see the following return:

Quoting JosephJarvis (Thread starter):
Africa:
Mahe, Seychelles

North America/Carribbean:
Grand Cayman Island
Havana, Cuba
Nassau, Bahamas
San Jose, Costa Rica

Europe:
Alicante, Spain
Inverness, Scotland
Montpellier, France

NAS and GCM are served from LHR on 767-300ERs. They were moved to LHR specifically because BA wanted to use the 767s, which are all based there, on the services. FlyBe does INV on BA's behalf.

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 43):
Antalya, Turkey
Barcelona, Spain
Bodrum, Turkey
Corfu, Greece
Dalaman, Turkey
Heraklion, Greece
Madrid, Spain
Malta
Milan, Italy
Nantes, France
Nice, France
Palma, Spain
Porto, Portugal
Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt
Tenerife, Spain
Valencia, Spain

Many of these are prime U2 territory now! BA would struggle to compete with them as well as operate duplicating flights from LHR (specifically BCN, MAD, MXP and NCE). SSH was dropped only recently. Alas soon MBJ would join the list of terminated destinations again. Charter airlines are also major forces on many of these destinations.

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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:42 pm

flycaledonian thanks for all your info really amazing thank you.

Anyone know back in the 90's early 2000's the current LHR-NAS/PLS was this LGW operated? what a/c flew into PLS in 90's early 00's?
 
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RE: British Airways Ceased Routes LGW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:46 am

Quoting nostrum (Reply 22):
Flights to Havana, Cuba was a weekly service on Saturdays. BA inaugurated service to HAV in April 1999 with a Boeing 777 and ended in March 2002; thereafter BA placed its code on IB's daily flight to HAV via Madrid. Rumor was that the route was attracting few first-class and business-class passengers.

And soon went twice weekly with the addition of a Wednesday flight. When it was pulled it was still twice weekly and apparently profitable.

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 23):
Do you know what time the BA Havana flights departed and arrived at LGW? Also the flight numbers?

It left LGW at around 1100 and departed HAV at around 2230 I think the next day.

Quoting JosephJarvis (Reply 44):
This might sound a bit silly, but on the departure screens at LGW, did flights such as San Juan and San Jose and Caracas and Bogota for example, show up as San Jose via San Juan and Bogota via Caracas, or were they shown as separate flights?

Pretty sure they used to list all the cities being served. The only tweak they have added now is the 'via' word, so for example now you get:

Sydney
via Singapore
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