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US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:06 am

Looking through the November schedule it appears 11/28 is the last day for the west 733. Schedule is as follows:

11/17: 2 x OMA
2 x SNA
1 x IAH
1 x DFW
1 x ONT
1 x LAS
1 x SJD
1 x PVR

11/28: 1 x OMA
1 x DFW
1 x IAH
1 x SNA
2 x SJD

They are using 3 733s on the last day with the pairings being PHX-OMA-PHX-SNA-PHX; PHX-SJD-PHX-IAH-PHX; PHX-SJD-PHX-DFW-PHX

The last 2 revenue flights are:

Flt 278 Dep 21:06 IAH Arr 23:01 PHX
Flt 550 Dep 23:25 DFW Arr 23:03 PHX

The 733 will continue to operate on the East side with the last 7 scheduled to leave the fleet in 2012. However it still deserves its own thread as America West has had the 737 in their fleet since its inception.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:34 am

What's left on the east side and when will they be leaving?

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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:41 am

I thought all that was left on the East side was -400s.

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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:47 am

There are 7 733s left on the East side. All will be retired in 2012.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:58 am

So they still have -400's then?

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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:01 am

Do you know which three will be left? The last time I checked there were four going out of service on 11/29 (ships 302, 305, 332, and 334) and one going out on 12/16 (ship 303), but it looks like that schedule has been revised.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:04 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
So they still have -400's then?

-Dave

Yes, they have 40 currently in service. I think one is due to leave this month though...
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:35 am

Thanks for the -400 info.

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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:55 pm

US likes the -400 because it gives them 320esque capacity but cost less to park at airports like MIA.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:06 pm

Ships 314 & 315 have both had their titles removed, and are flying in basic US Airways scheme... presumably next to be wfu?
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:21 pm

Well now Im glad I booked that -300 flight from DFW-PHX on 11/27. Been interesting to watch the growing number of A321 at PHX. I did a few operations tours at PHX airport and one of the managers did say that US Air was going to be reconfiguring many of the gates to handle more A321 and A320 flights.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:54 pm

I've recently flown on a couple of the original America West 737-300s. They're aged a bit, but they still offer a smooth ride to this day. Here's a few videos I shot of them.

Takeoff from Phoenix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHyMsQV32B4

Landing in Spokane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEBXN45Hdh4

Landing in Phoenix after a dust storm!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XmInI9ijtg
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:04 pm

IAH saw a 321 on thu which is a rarerity, hopefully with the retirement of 733 We will get the 321 mixed in here and there.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:21 pm

I was indeed surprised last time I flew through PHX. Back in the day I was used to seeing many 733 as well as A319-320. Now it's VERY A321-heavy. More capacity seems like it would be good news.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:28 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 6):
Yes, they have 40 currently in service. I think one is due to leave this month though...

Wasn't Piedmont the very first airline to fly the 400? I believe they were, they started flying the variant already in 1988 when it was brand new. They oldest 400s must now be 23.

Also, US Air was one of the first two airlines to fly the 300 back in 1985, with Southwest. At that time the 733 was an all new airplane.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:31 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 13):
I was indeed surprised last time I flew through PHX. Back in the day I was used to seeing many 733 as well as A319-320. Now it's VERY A321-heavy. More capacity seems like it would be good news.

Exactly right. I was on an A321 PHX-SNA flight leaving PHX at about 8:30, arriving 9:30pm into SNA and it was completely full. The interiors on the Airbus flights are great as well.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:35 pm

How does the reliability of the west 321s vs the older all blue east 321s? Last two rides into Lax on older east birds were extremely late due to mx delays.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:05 pm

Is AWA/US fleet really split east/west like this? I would imagine a fleet integration was done post merger.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:16 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 5):
Do you know which three will be left? The last time I checked there were four going out of service on 11/29 (ships 302, 305, 332, and 334) and one going out on 12/16 (ship 303), but it looks like that schedule has been revised.

The last info I had was:

155: Mar 27
154: May 3
315: Aug 16
314: Sept 7
313: Oct 2
316: Oct 2
156: Oct 22
302: Nov 29
334: Nov 29
332: Nov 29
305: Nov 29
303: Dec 16

They seem to have kept to this so far. These might be the lease-return dates and not out-of service dates however.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:26 pm

That's a shame, I enjoyed seeing their 733s at Phoenix in March:

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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:21 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 14):
Wasn't Piedmont the very first airline to fly the 400? I believe they were, they started flying the variant already in 1988 when it was brand new. They oldest 400s must now be 23.

US did get them early on as did AS which is still flying quite a few 734s still.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:46 am

Quoting zululima (Reply 18):
They seem to have kept to this so far. These might be the lease-return dates and not out-of service dates however.

Looks like the same info I have, and those are the out-of-service dates, not the return dates.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:23 am

I haven't flown an east 734 in ages, but they were in pretty good shape relative to the 733's (east or west). I think I heard the 734's will be around through 2016 or later, but I'm not sure.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:29 am

Quoting ERJ (Reply 22):
I haven't flown an east 734 in ages, but they were in pretty good shape relative to the 733's (east or west). I think I heard the 734's will be around through 2016 or later, but I'm not sure.

I flew on a half dozen or so east 400's in June/July and they were all in very good shape.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:44 am

It will be sad to see the old HP classics go away. They've always looked sharp in their various paint schemes. My first flight on a 733 was with HP too. However I believe the frame I rode on has long left the fleet.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:36 am

Might have to hop on the last one...could grab AA to DFW after work and then take US back...tight but doable.

PHX-DFW does get a 757 starting the next day though.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:42 am

Quoting MDTrunner (Reply 17):
Is AWA/US fleet really split east/west like this? I would imagine a fleet integration was done post merger.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nope. The east pilots are far too greedy.

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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:44 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 26):
Nope. The east pilots are far too greedy.

FAs are still on separate contracts as well.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:46 am

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 16):
How does the reliability of the west 321s vs the older all blue east 321s? Last two rides into Lax on older east birds were extremely late due to mx delays.

I've taken about 20 of them in the past few months and no issues. Was on one PHX-LAS this afternoon and got into Vegas 15 minutes early.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:32 pm

Quoting zululima (Reply 18):
315: Aug 16

Saw this depart PHX on 13 September 2011 without titles, did it ferry for storage or is it still active?
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:13 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 29):
Saw this depart PHX on 13 September 2011 without titles, did it ferry for storage or is it still active?

That was a ferry to Macon, GA, and it is now out of service. Last revenue flight for 315 was AWE665 SNA-PHX on August 21st.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:30 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 28):
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 16):How does the reliability of the west 321s vs the older all blue east 321s? Last two rides into Lax on older east birds were extremely late due to mx delays.

Does anybody know if any of the older 321's from the East operation have been returned? I have heard a couple of times that the reason why a couple of the East 321's are still in old US paint is because they are going to be returned to tthe lesor soon.

Can anybody confirm this? I know all future deliveries will have V2500 engines as opposed to the CFM 56 even on the East side of the house.......there are 8 more frames (321's) to be delivered in 2011 at last check.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:55 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 30):
That was a ferry to Macon, GA, and it is now out of service. Last revenue flight for 315 was AWE665 SNA-PHX on August 21st.

Ah, thanks for the info! Glad I got a photo of that one then.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:23 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 24):
It will be sad to see the old HP classics go away. They've always looked sharp in their various paint schemes. My first flight on a 733 was with HP too. However I believe the frame I rode on has long left the fleet.

As sad as it may be to see them go from a spotter's perspective, I bet most passengers will be pleased to see them go. I, for one, know I won't miss them.

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 31):
Does anybody know if any of the older 321's from the East operation have been returned? I have heard a couple of times that the reason why a couple of the East 321's are still in old US paint is because they are going to be returned to tthe lesor soon.

Can anybody confirm this?

I can confirm the opposite, actually  

The A321 was the only narrowbody on the East fleet that was left untouched during the bankruptcy days and none have left the fleet since the merger. The reason that you still see a handful left in the pre-merger US colors is because US stopped painting planes during the recession. They have since restarted re-painting again, but unlike other airlines, they don't have a dedicated paint line so planes are only being repainted as they come out of the fleet for maintenance checks.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 33):
As sad as it may be to see them go from a spotter's perspective, I bet most passengers will be pleased to see them go. I, for one, know I won't miss them.

I hear you there. My experience was quite a while ago, but it still stands out in my memory for mostly negative reasons! Nothing to write home about inside.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:56 am

Quoting zululima (Reply 18):

Why are they keeping 303 until 12/16? If they're pushing the rest out the door, why not all? Maybe for swapping or similar? I can't imagine that keeping one frame around is beneficial because the pilots would have to be both rated on the A32X and 733, or...the 733 pilots were senior enough to be up there with the 752 pilots, as HP had the 733 and 752 during the same time period.

I'd also think when HP 752s were introduced, all they had was the 732 and 733, so the pilots just went on up to the 752 if they had the highest senority..
Will that ex-HP 752 get delayed...again?
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:43 am

What a/c will we mainly see replacing the 733s? A319s?
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:13 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 36):
What a/c will we mainly see replacing the 733s? A319s?

In PHX we have seen alot more A321 service. That is also the bulk of what US has on order. It is obviously not a directly replacement, but we see it replace A320 routes, who then replace 737 routes etc.
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:41 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 20):
US did get them early on as did AS which is still flying quite a few 734s still.

29 of them at AS...but I digress.

Are there any differences in the East and West 733s? I presume the cockpits are the same, same cabin layouts, etc?
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:08 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 38):
Are there any differences in the East and West 733s? I presume the cockpits are the same, same cabin layouts, etc?

There are indeed two different layouts. The west 733s are configured in a 8F/126Y configuration while the east 733s are configured in a 12F/114Y configuration. Both fleets have cloth interior in Y, while the rest of the US fleet has been upgraded to leather interiors.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:31 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 38):
Are there any differences in the East and West 733s? I presume the cockpits are the same, same cabin layouts, etc?

I have flown on both many years ago. I know one thing that was very different about the US East 733s versus their West 733s were they all had drop down monitors in them prior to US pulling out all IFE on their domestic a/c. I believe US was the first to offer overhead IFE video on their 733s which they flew from the West coast to PIT frequently (I took the red eye SFO-PIT several times on the 733 and it was fine). Those were the days along with a full cold meal on one of those Aladdin stack trays (red eye).

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 37):

In PHX we have seen alot more A321 service. That is also the bulk of what US has on order. It is obviously not a directly replacement, but we see it replace A320 routes, who then replace 737 routes etc.

Thanks for the information, FRNT787. That does seem like a big jump in capacity for routes like PHX-OMA and other routes that saw the 733 over the 2 hour stage length. A319s would be a more optimal fit, then upgauge as needed.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 35):
Why are they keeping 303 until 12/16? If they're pushing the rest out the door, why not all? Maybe for swapping or similar?

The lease may run until 12/16, and it may be useful to have that aircraft around for a few extra weeks just in case there are any issues with the deliveries of the new A321s.
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 41):

Well that makes sense then. I'll have to catch a ride on one before it's too late, I guess.
Will that ex-HP 752 get delayed...again?
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:25 pm

Anyone know the regs of the remaining EAST 733s?
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 40):
Thanks for the information, FRNT787. That does seem like a big jump in capacity for routes like PHX-OMA and other routes that saw the 733 over the 2 hour stage length. A319s would be a more optimal fit, then upgauge as needed.

It's just flow through. OMA will get 319 service. A320 routes are the ones being upgraded to A321s
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:07 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 43):
Anyone know the regs of the remaining EAST 733s?

516, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 574
 
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RE: US Airways (West/AWA) To Retire 733 On 11/28

Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:53 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 45):

OK, thanx.
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