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Australian Aviation Thread #54

Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:44 am

Good afternoon all. Australian Aviation Thread #53 (by TN486 Aug 20 2011 in Civil Aviation) we discussed the following:
Virgin FF scheme revamped.
New CEO for TT
Krispy Kreme doughnuts on JQ
Network sourcing the 10 F100 from Avianca
QF new FF partner OPTUS
Strategic rebranding as Air Australia
QF now upgrading interior of the 9 retained 744
QF 767GE ac to receive in seat IFE, with a rumour of a wider cabin refresh
ADL to see increase in SQ service during summer
Cathay dropping MEL tag on 3 of the ADL - HKG flights
Plenty of discussion re QF international restructure.
I am off to Perth tomorrow (Monday) travelling DJ returning Thu evening. Looking forward to seeing how the culture and service has changed, and hoping I get one of the ac with the new livery.
Enjoy your robust discussion in this new thread
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:38 am

TWU Union members taking industrial action this coming Tuesday...

Qantas worker's from all states will stop work for 4 hours between 7am to 11am...

Will be interesting to see what the manager's have up their sleeves to prevent disruptions...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:01 am

Very, very busy at Sydney International Terminal yesterday.

At 8:30am the queue to get through immigration stretched out into the land-slide terminal. It was kept moving, but a very long wait.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:38 am

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
Cathay dropping MEL tag on 3 of the ADL - HKG flights

rephrased better:

new HKG-ADL-HKG (CX173/174) 3x weekly, HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG (CX104/105) reduced to 4x weekly from 1x daily and HKG-MEL-HKG (CX134/135, CX163/168 + new CX194/195 3x weekly) going to 17 weekly (currently 14x weekly) - direct/non-stop capacity increases at both ports.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:57 am

Here is the next installment of the DL/VA alliance - Just through on email from the Delta newsroom:

News Release Issued: September 18, 2011 8:00 PM EDT
Delta, Virgin Australia Trans-Pacific Codeshare to Launch in November
Trans-Pacific codeshare services on sale Sept. 19 for travel beginning Nov. 6; V Australia to arrive at Delta's Los Angeles T5 terminal to improve connectivity
ATLANTA and SYDNEY, Sept. 18, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) and Virgin Australia Airlines (ASX: VBA) today announced two major milestones of their recently approved joint venture: an expanded codesharing agreement on flights between the United States and Australia, and an enhanced customer experience in Los Angeles.
(Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20101123/CL04792LOGO )
Codeshare service will be available for sale beginning Sept. 19, 2011, for travel effective Nov. 6, 2011. Under the agreement, Delta will add its code to all flights between Los Angeles and the Australian cities Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, operated by V Australia, Virgin Australia's long-haul international carrier. V Australia will add its code to Delta's service between Los Angeles and Sydney.
For customers, the expanded codesharing means more options when booking trans-Pacific travel on Delta or V Australia, as well as benefits such as accrual of frequent flier miles and premium lounge access regardless of which airline operates the flight.
To further improve the customer experience, from November, flights operated by V Australia will arrive at Delta's Terminal 5 at Los Angeles International Airport. This will allow for easier and faster connections within the same terminal to the rest of Delta's network, as well as access to new customs and immigration facilities in Terminal 5.

Great news for both airlines My understanding is that the VA SYD-LAX service will be rescheduled to an afternoon departure, with DL16 remaining a morning departure ex-SYD. It's great to see the alliance moving toward a full joint-venture structure by year end. Exciting times.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:09 pm

Probably slightly off the topic but any update photos on VH - OQA Nancy Bird...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:42 am

TT's grounding resulted in 80k/ 4% reduction in MEL's domestic numbers in August.

YE Aug 2011

531,842 (11.5%)
1, 761,929 (-4%)
total: 2,293,771 (-1%)

http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...al-growth-sustained-in-August.html
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:43 am

If QF and JQ could not make MEL-HNL work, how will Air Australia make it work and what will they do different ? I hope it is successful for them and if it is watch QF jump back on and start doing direct MEL-HNL.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:54 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 7):
watch QF jump back on and start doing direct MEL-HNL

More like watch JQ jump back on and start doing MEL-HNL....

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:18 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Probably slightly off the topic but any update photos on VH - OQA Nancy Bird...

I've heard that repairs are going very well, Nancy will be sent for reconfiguration by early January and be back in service sooner rather than later.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:41 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 7):
If QF and JQ could not make MEL-HNL work, how will Air Australia make it work and what will they do different ? I hope it is successful for them and if it is watch QF jump back on and start doing direct MEL-HNL.

It's not so much that JQ couldn't make MEL-HNL work, it was more that they couldn't make both MEL-HNL and SYD-HNL work together. They decided to cut MEL for a more frequent and heavily loaded SYD flight. I doubt that JQ/QF will be coming back to MEL-HNL -- it's seriously not going to be enough money to validate the time/effort when there are other opportunities that will make them more money. VC isn't a serious threat because they capture zero business market and there is zero loyalty associated with them.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:10 pm

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
QF 767GE ac to receive in seat IFE, with a rumour of a wider cabin refresh

The following quote came from this article:

'Qantas is also introducing Marc Newson-designed leather business class seats in a new claret colour scheme and it already has Newson-styled Weber economy seats designed to provide extra legroom in all its new 737-800s'.

Are QF really introducing leather seats in business? Will they be moving to standardise the seats they currently have on their domestic fleet?

Has anyone tried the new J seats fitted to the A330s? How do they compare to the millennium seats of old and the new J seats on the Jetconnect 738s?

What else can we expect from this wider cabin refresh?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:53 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
'Qantas is also introducing Marc Newson-designed leather business class seats in a new claret colour scheme and it already has Newson-styled Weber economy seats designed to provide extra legroom in all its new 737-800s'.

Are QF really introducing leather seats in business? Will they be moving to standardise the seats they currently have on their domestic fleet?

Probably. Given that Virgin Australia has leather business class seats on its 330s and soon all its 738 fleet.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:31 am

Any news on QF rolling out the new seats/IFE onto the original domestic B73H fleet? With another 15ish new B73Hs due for delivery over the next 18 months you would think it would make sense to have a standard product across the entire B73H fleet??

[Edited 2011-09-21 01:32:34]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:34 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Are QF really introducing leather seats in business? Will they be moving to standardise the seats they currently have on their domestic fleet?

It appears that they are, though there are no planes currently in service with leather seats in J (or Y for that matter...) I expect that this is preempting a day when a JQ 787 will be easily converted to be a QF domestic 787 and vice versa as market dynamics change/shift. And I would expect them to roll this seat out across the entire domestic fleet -- I guess they are waiting to see what comes of the iPad trials to settle on whether integrated IFE or other forms is best before they so big scale 738 retrofits though.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Has anyone tried the new J seats fitted to the A330s? How do they compare to the millennium seats of old and the new J seats on the Jetconnect 738s?

I have, albeit on a short MEL-SYD hop. I was pleasantly surprised thb -- I was expecting the seat to be quite narrow (based on the 7 abreast configuration) but it was perfectly acceptable width wise (not as much space between shoulders at the window pair, which I found to be the biggest drawback -- I felt a lot closer to the fellow sitting beside me). Big leap over the millenium seats, and I felt much more comfortable/relaxed. The headrest/back seem to have been changed too -- I found that the Jetconnect seats ended a bit low, but with the new ones I was able to adjust the headrest to the perfect spot and not have my shoulders sticking above the top of the seat... And gate to gate IFE = big win in my books!

I imagine on a SYD-PER I'd rather have the older A330 seats/Jetconnect J seats though. The feeling of space is much better, and the cabin feels a bit more relaxed (the new one was a bit too Y-like)... Hopefully their new seats in the A330s will be a 2-2-2 version of the latest one! (wow that was a long post about very little! - sorry!)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:46 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 9):
Nancy will be sent for reconfiguration by early January

Reconfiguration??? I was under the impression the NEW configurations would commence with the NEW delivered A380's...?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:01 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Reconfiguration??? I was under the impression the NEW configurations would commence with the NEW delivered A380's...?

All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:39 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.

Will there be an increase in Cabin Crew on-board?

Also just a thought, with MEL-LAX and MEL-SIN-LHR moving to A380s and MEL-HKG being re-timed and moved to A330s, this will mean the end of scheduled QF 744s service into MEL, unless some PER-MEL flights are operated by 744s. Shame really, this time next year T2 in MEL will be purely airbus for QF.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 13):
Any news on QF rolling out the new seats/IFE onto the original domestic B73H fleet? With another 15ish new B73Hs due for delivery over the next 18 months you would think it would make sense to have a standard product across the entire B73H fleet??

Consistency is one of their weakness at the moment, I think they will have to invest in them soon. Perhaps after the recent August announcements it would be too soon to announce a capital intensive refit like this (Although all QF staff I have ever spoken with have deplored the lack of product investment by QF compared with their competitors). I think we may see an anouncement early next year sometime, perhaps when the results of the 767 Ipad test are revieled.


Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
I imagine on a SYD-PER I'd rather have the older A330 seats/Jetconnect J seats though. The feeling of space is much better, and the cabin feels a bit more relaxed (the new one was a bit too Y-like)... Hopefully their new seats in the A330s will be a 2-2-2 version of the latest one! (wow that was a long post about very little! - sorry!)

No I enjoyed it! lol If everyone feels the same as your perhaps refitting the 767s with these seats as well would help, insead of an integrated IFE, they could simply have a slot for an ipad to slide in and even charge?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:41 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.

There was talk of removing of the last 2 rows of J (reduction from 72 to 60 seats), then the filling of the upper deck with W... That seems to be too many seat in W though to get up to 484. 2 rows of J (at 80") = 4 rows of W (at 40") and that means an overall increase of only 16 (to 466). I think that you're getting confused with their announced configuration for the final 8 'post-2012' aircraft, which were announced to be in 3 class... That is likely scrapped now, and all 14 birds will probably be 4 class planes (unless those last 2 569t birds are dedicated to a specific 3 class route -- say DFW for example  )
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:58 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
There was talk of removing of the last 2 rows of J (reduction from 72 to 60 seats), then the filling of the upper deck with W... That seems to be too many seat in W though to get up to 484. 2 rows of J (at 80") = 4 rows of W (at 40") and that means an overall increase of only 16 (to 466).

Like I say I can't remember exactly but the existing fleet AFAIK are getting an increase to 484 from 450 still as planned.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Also just a thought, with MEL-LAX and MEL-SIN-LHR moving to A380s and MEL-HKG being re-timed and moved to A330s, this will mean the end of scheduled QF 744s service into MEL, unless some PER-MEL flights are operated by 744s.

It seems that way for now unless as you say some MEL-PER flights or some other flight ex MEL gets 744s.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:39 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Shame really, this time next year T2 in MEL will be purely airbus for QF.

 Wow! That is a very strange concept to me! QF always seems to Boeing oriented, but they really aren't any more...

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
No I enjoyed it! lol If everyone feels the same as your perhaps refitting the 767s with these seats as well would help, insead of an integrated IFE, they could simply have a slot for an ipad to slide in and even charge?

I enjoyed it too! I like the sound of those iPad slots -- what would be great is a swing out arm-dock so that the iPad could be used as a normal IFE screen as well as handheld. The more I think about it, the more I love the concept of domestic IFE being predominantly tablet based - what do we all think?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:52 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 20):
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Shame really, this time next year T2 in MEL will be purely airbus for QF.

Wow! That is a very strange concept to me! QF always seems to Boeing oriented, but they really aren't any more...

Did we forget the B787 when and if it joins the QF fleet ! lol

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Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:47 pm

BNE airport new domestic car park which will be 8 levels high is nearing completion.

See below

http://www.archdaily.com/69219/uap-n...etic-artwork-for-brisbane-airport/

Also Aeropelican are increasing BNE flights to double daily Mon-Fri to Narrabri.

Aeropelican will increase BNE to double daily MON-FRI.

AEROPELICAN will further increase the number of services to Narrabri in October.
The airline has announced that from October 17, Narrabri will be served by three daily return flights to Sydney on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays with the addition of a midday service on those days.
And the Narrabri Brisbane service will be increased to a twice-daily service Monday to Friday.
The extra services means that Narrabri will have 52 flights per week to the major metropolitan centres on the east coast, a service unmatched by any other NSW regional centre of Narrabri’s size.
The additional services are being scheduled to meet continually growing demand for air travel to and from Narrabri. The growing volume of passengers now using Narrabri Airport gives added impetus to the Shire Council’s plans for an upgrade to the Airport Terminal and Airport infrastructure.
“The increase in activity from the Narrabri communities, industries and businesses is encouraging Aeropelican to commit further to its Narrabri network by not only increasing its frequency from Sydney for the second time in twelve months, but also opening its first base out of New South Wales with its Brisbane operation” commented Fabrice Binet, Business Development Manager for Aeropelican Air Services

Another board has the 2 new 717's for Qantaslink are coming from Mexican Click and will be BNE based and are due soon.

The amount of Fifo flights out of BNE is expanding rapidly with up to 25 flights departing on the busier days.
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:52 pm

Also Brisbane's northern domestic apron is currently being expanded by at least 20 parking bays and currently looks like a desert with so much sand .This work will be completed by the end of 2012 .It is a massive expansion of the northern apron and is apart of 4 billion of works planned over the next 10 years.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:21 am

To the person who was asking after VH-VXB (the Yananyi Dreaming 737) in the last thread -- it is back in service as of today with no changes to livery (according to QF Source, anyway)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.

Will there be an increase in Cabin Crew on-board?

No, in fact the less F or J an aircraft has often the less crew it has as there are a higher ratio of crew for Premium than for W and Y. With W expanding and J contracting there will still be the same amount of crew with J likely to lose 1 and W to pick up a 3rd as an assist who will likely help out in J.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
There was talk of removing of the last 2 rows of J (reduction from 72 to 60 seats), then the filling of the upper deck with W... That seems to be too many seat in W though to get up to 484. 2 rows of J (at 80") = 4 rows of W (at 40") and that means an overall increase of only 16 (to 466). I think that you're getting confused with their announced configuration for the final 8 'post-2012' aircraft, which were announced to be in 3 class... That is likely scrapped now, and all 14 birds will probably be 4 class planes (unless those last 2 569t birds are dedicated to a specific 3 class route -- say DFW for example )

   Just the 2 rows of J to be replaced by W. Should be 4 rows of W (28 seats) added. It will be interesting to see if QF adds an extra toilet to W (likely would be in place of the single row of 2 on the RHS). I'm betting not. This is going to be an interesting reconfiguration... it really is taking the wrong form however but this is due to poor configuration choices at the start. J is almost always full as is W. There are too many first seats. QF either should have put some Y at the back upstairs like SQ did, or have put F upstairs and J all the way back with W downstairs in front of Y. At the moment most QF A380 flights are going out full so I really don't know what the plan is once QF drop HKG and BKK flights to LHR... The 2 SIN flights are already A380 and full. QF really should have kept one of those flights and eventually turned it into an A380 route (I would suggest HKG over BKK). This would have required up to 2 extra aircraft but QF has deferred so many.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:29 pm

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 22):
Another board has the 2 new 717's for Qantaslink are coming from Mexican Click and will be BNE based and are due soon.

Also a possibility, the replacement of the Alliance wet lease for the BNE ROK and BNE MKY
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:33 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 25):
QF really should have kept one of those flights and eventually turned it into an A380 route (I would suggest HKG over BKK).

  
I can't imagine that a same plane SYD-HKG-LHR A380 service wouldn't be well patronised, especially if connection timings were sorted for MEL and particularly BNE, in both directions. Such things seem too hard for QF. Cutting LHR flights by 50% seems to be pretty savage and a gift to competitors.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:54 pm

QF dumps HKG-LHR tag from MEL-HKG, downgardes MEL-HKG-MEL to 330, CX starts de-linking HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG and will no doubt eventually be 3x daily direct HKG-MEL-HKG when their next 330 arrives...

ceding more capacity to foreign carriers, why bother fly with QF?

[Edited 2011-09-22 17:06:56]
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:39 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 25):
it really is taking the wrong form however but this is due to poor configuration choices at the start.

   But then it appears that F goes out quite full a lot of the time as well (and Y is often very full as well). I think we need some A389's here pronto (I'm hoping the final 6 will be a larger model, if it happens)!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 25):
QF really should have kept one of those flights and eventually turned it into an A380 route (I would suggest HKG over BKK). This would have required up to 2 extra aircraft but QF has deferred so many.

   (but keep QF1/2 via BKK!!) I can very easily understand the justification for cutting a MEL-LHR flight, but SYD is such a big market and hub for QF that it's a bit mind blowing that they seem to be passing off a lot of potential profit here. But they must have their reasons - I'm praying that we don't see JQ in LHR ever (but knowing AJ!)
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:44 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 29):

But then it appears that F goes out quite full a lot of the time as well (and Y is often very full as well). I think we need some A389's here pronto (I'm hoping the final 6 will be a larger model, if it happens)!

A lot of them would be upgrades from a full J...
But yes A389s would be good (provided they have the range to do LAX-MEL or SIN-LHR).

Quoting qf002 (Reply 29):
(but keep QF1/2 via BKK!!) I can very easily understand the justification for cutting a MEL-LHR flight, but SYD is such a big market and hub for QF that it's a bit mind blowing that they seem to be passing off a lot of potential profit here. But they must have their reasons - I'm praying that we don't see JQ in LHR ever (but knowing AJ!)

Why BKK? Thailand is a small somewhat poor economy with not much in the way of business ties with either Australia or the UK. HKG on the other hand is Asia's International city, its wealthy and is the gateway to China (also it is on the great circle route from Oz to London). BKK can stay as a A330 flight. HKG flights are just about always FULL on QF and the A380 would capture more of the premium market (in all cabins) from CX, VS, etc. KUL and SIN are so close to BKK that it is easy enough to get flights not only to there but to other parts of Thailand (thus not having time penalties). It would perhaps be a different story if QF and CX were friendly with each other and had more code-shares in place but they don't so no point in gift wrapping 2 sectors to them (people are less likely to fly QF from Oz then change to CX if it involves 2 bookings).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:01 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 28):
QF dumps HKG-LHR tag from MEL-HKG, downgardes MEL-HKG-MEL to 330, CX starts de-linking HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG and will no doubt eventually be 3x daily direct HKG-MEL-HKG when their next 330 arrives...

ceding more capacity to foreign carriers, why bother fly with QF?

[Edited 2011-09-22 17:06:56]

And of course, many of those CX passengers from MEL will be travelling on to London or other European cities, like FRA, or other European cities not served by Qantas Paris, Rome....
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:24 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 30):
A lot of them would be upgrades from a full J...

I'm not convinced that's entirely true (I have a friend who works for QF but doesn't give much away), but I'm sure there's some element of that happening.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 30):
Why BKK?

Simply me being nostalgic -- I hate the fact that they're knocking off the LHR-BKK-SYD because it was my first long haul flight as a three year old!! Hence my username! From a business standpoint HKG is of course the better option for now, though in my eyes BKK has a great deal of potential future growth that QF would be silly to ignore.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:10 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
BKK has a great deal of potential future growth that QF would be silly to ignore.

Australia has been bombarded with new International capacity - 26% increase in international capacity over the past 12 months, the next Country with an increase in international capacity, was Singapore at 5%!!!!!!!!

The Australian Government's policies of open skies has allowed any carrier to fly any amount of capacity to Australia - so if people are mad at Qantas, they should be mad with the Federal Government, they have done nothing to prevent our flag carrier from being smashed by foreign carriers.

Qantas' Joyce has made it clear that the next five years is about making Qantas international strong again - they have made the tough decisions now in terms of routes and capacity. I am sure despite what all the nay sayers bang on about including the misguided unions, the board and Joyce know exactly whats going on and where QF is going and come to the delivery of the B787's, you'll see QF tails in many more international ports than we do today! Remember, the two slots into Heathrow are only being leased to BA - QF will be back.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:57 am

Obviously VH-BZF you weren't around in the 60's and 70's when Qantas turned up at all bilateral meetings and vetoed many foreign airlines from flying to our cities.BNE finally got our first Asian carrier in 1980 .What goes around comes around.

I have no sympathy for Qantas.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:04 pm

^^ I agree.

Protectionism was QFs main weapon, and it's good that other carriers are now able to come in and serve routes people want to fly. The benefits stemming from the increased competition are far greater for tourism and business now than ever before.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:34 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 35):
Protectionism was QFs main weapon, and it's good that other carriers are now able to come in and serve routes people want to fly. The benefits stemming from the increased competition are far greater for tourism and business now than ever before.

In fairness to Qantas though, promoting and lobbying for protectionism is almost a legal requirement. Protection would be in the best intrest of the company, thus profit, thus shareholder dividends, thus the shareholder! And as is always highlight here, the company must act in the best interest of the shareholder legally!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:34 am

^^ True.

The tide has turned against it these days though, with govt's largely unwilling to listen to their concerns or opinions. They once had much more power to influence decisions, much to the detriment of others, especially the tourism sector. The last real victory they had was the SQ SYD-LAX decision, and that was a while ago now.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:12 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 33):
you'll see QF tails in many more international ports than we do today! Remember, the two slots into Heathrow are only being leased to BA - QF will be back.

The kicker being that they're not likely to be QF tails. They will be JQ and (insert name of new Asian airline) tails.

As for the LHR slots -- personally I think that they're keeping their options open, but I'm not 100% sure that they'll be back. For starters they won't have the VLA capacity to do so for 10 years, and an LHR slot used by a 789 is just a waste for a company like QF. We're likely to see more connecting QF-BA service IMO.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:52 am

Qantaslink today announced extra flights in Queensland from BNE and TSV as well as the basing of 2 717'S early in 2012 at Brisbane .

Full article from Qantas news today 28sep.

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2011/sep11/5186
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:46 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 38):
As for the LHR slots -- personally I think that they're keeping their options open, but I'm not 100% sure that they'll be back. For starters they won't have the VLA capacity to do so for 10 years, and an LHR slot used by a 789 is just a waste for a company like QF. We're likely to see more connecting QF-BA service IMO.

There's been stories thrown around in the west that QF are seriously considering PER - LHR nonstop once the 787's come into the fold. Obviously as that aircraft is so far behind schedule the brass at QF may have expected it to be a reality by now.

Perhaps leasing out the LHR slots in the meantime is a way of minimising losses as older aircraft are withdrawn from service while awaiting new aircraft delivery, yet still allows the airline the luxury of knowing the slot is there for them when it becomes viable???
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:18 am

Quoting qf744fan (Reply 40):
There's been stories thrown around in the west that QF are seriously considering PER - LHR nonstop once the 787's come into the fold.

I hope that becomes true. Virgin Atlantic had a press release stating PER would be one of their first 787 routes, but that was a long time ago, and I expect things have changed.

By the way, does Boeing still believe the 787-9 will have the range to do LHR-PER both ways. It is a long flight.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:21 am

Quoting qf744fan (Reply 40):
There's been stories thrown around in the west that QF are seriously considering PER - LHR nonstop once the 787's come into the fold.

Can't give much credence to that. No planned 787 would have the range for such an ULH flight. I think it would need to be a 787-10 MTOW with a -8 or -9 fuse.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:26 am

Quoting qf744fan (Reply 40):
There's been stories thrown around in the west that QF are seriously considering PER - LHR nonstop once the 787's come into the fold.

That's the only situation by which I can see QF 787s in LHR. I would love as SYD-PER-LHR service, but QF isn't that adventurous and the time savings wouldn't end up being all that significant for the increased cost of running the service (and the 789 will still struggle in both directions, especially westbound). It would be a great way of differentiating the airline from the rest of the pack, but I fear it would be prohibitively expensive.

[Edited 2011-09-27 21:39:45]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:30 am

Boeing 787 to visit SYD,MEL next month.

Article in today's Australian newspaper.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:38 am

 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:39 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 44):
Boeing 787 to visit SYD,MEL next month.

Article in today's Australian newspaper.

More details at AusBT. This is very exciting -- can't wait to go see it! Any idea if we'll be able to go inside?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:17 am

The Australian government has signed an open skies agreement with Japan that will enable Australian and Japanese airlines to fly directly between Australian ports and Tokyo Haneda, and open up capacity & frequencies to Narita.

Main points of the new arrangements include:
•Daily flights between Haneda Airport and Australian airports
•The removal of all capacity restrictions between all Australian and Japanese airports with the exception of Tokyo's Narita Airport
•The removal of all capacity restrictions at Tokyo's Narita Airport form 2013.

Source - Travel Daily http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/b...-open-to-australian-airlines/73078
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:23 am

Quoting cwalt2 (Reply 47):
Main points of the new arrangements include:

Plus this:

" It also makes it possible for Australian airlines to fly beyond Japan to third countries for the first time – including key markets such as China and Europe,” he added."

Which I think is pretty good news.  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #54

Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:32 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 48):
It also makes it possible for Australian airlines to fly beyond Japan to third countries for the first time – including key markets such as China and Europe,” he added."

Which I think is pretty good news

Then those carriers will just have to try and obtain 5th freedom rights to those onward destinations beyong Japan
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