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Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:05 am

WN tail numbers are fairly easy to decipher: older planes end in "SW", newer ones end in "WN". -300s tails are numbered in the -300 and -600s. 737-700s are numbered in the -200s, -400s, 700s, and 900s.

While looking through the FAA site to see if the -800s were numbered, I noticed that WN has reserved several odd registrations such as "N8319F", "N7917A", etc...

Anyone have any insight?

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...20AIRLINES&sort_option=1&PageNo=20
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:56 am

Those used to be the old Frontier format (1960's-80's, NxxxxF). Strange. Not sure what they are planning but interesting nonetheless.
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:32 am

Could it just be that they are running out of the original series numbers? They have pretty well covered 1 to 999 so they need somewhere to go from there....
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:49 pm

If they are going to sell planes, could they have reserved those odd numbers to re-register the outgoing aircraft so they can keep the SW suffix numbers for current aircraft?
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:55 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Thread starter):
Anyone have any insight?

My speculation is that this may be preparation for inducting the AirTran fleet or even the growth of the fleet in general. After all when they have ship numbers organized as:

retired -200's in the 000's and 100's
-300's in the 300's & 600's
-500's in the low 500's
-700's in the 200's, 400's, 700's & -900's
used -700's in the high 500's
future -800's in the 800's

They are running out of three-digit ship numbers...
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:59 pm

Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:17 pm

Quoting trigged (Reply 3):
If they are going to sell planes, could they have reserved those odd numbers to re-register the outgoing aircraft so they can keep the SW suffix numbers for current aircraft?

That would go against what WN has done in the past   Many of the -200s kept their old N-Number as long as they were registered in the US (although a private owner or two did change the N-numbers).
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:28 pm

So, are FL birds going to retain their AirTran registrations and fleet numbers?
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:35 pm

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):
Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.

Easy enough to do by looking at the number of over-wing exits.
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:47 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
So, are FL birds going to retain their AirTran registrations and fleet numbers?

I don't have the answer to that but when WN took over Morris Air, they re-registrered all of the Morris Air planes to WN style numbers.

Two 73Gs originally destined for FL this spring went to WN with WN type registrations. Looking at how the aircraft are registrered now and what's available (see reply 4), WN could use 500WN numbers for the FL aircraft going higher from 550 (which they are doing now) and add a few more lower numbers (540-550).

WN could also re-use the 100 and 200 series registrations for future 73Gs.

Question is what they will do when WN gets 737MAX or 797s in the future ?

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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:53 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 9):
Two 73Gs originally destined for FL this spring went to WN with WN type registrations. Looking at how the aircraft are registrered now and what's available (see reply 4), WN could use 500WN numbers for the FL aircraft going higher from 550 (which they are doing now) and add a few more lower numbers (540-550).

Wonder if the FAA considers them -7H4's or if they have the FL Boeing customer code instead  
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:58 pm

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):
Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.

I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that, possibly, the flap track fairings on the -800s may be painted blue.

This way, the ramp can identify aircraft types very easily without having to see the registration.

Again....this is just what someone told me. If anyone knows for sure, please correct me.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:07 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
Wonder if the FAA considers them -7H4's or if they have the FL Boeing customer code instead

I'm pretty sure they are 7BDs (FL's Boeing code). These are N555WN and N556WN.

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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:20 pm

Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that,

Yeah, that's what's always been said. I don't know, seems a little insulting to the ramp guys if that actually were the reason.

Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
the flap track fairings on the -800s may be painted blue.

Heard that too. There wouldn't be any fleet commonality if that were the case. Unless...... new livery!
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:16 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 13):
Yeah, that's what's always been said. I don't know, seems a little insulting to the ramp guys if that actually were the reason.

Why? It's good human factors engineering to make the difference unambiguous at a glance.
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:21 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 13):
Heard that too. There wouldn't be any fleet commonality if that were the case. Unless...... new livery!

Isn't it easier - and more obvious - to look at the number of overwing window exits?
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:23 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):

Isn't it easier - and more obvious - to look at the number of overwing window exits?

Unless it's a head-on view, in which the overwing exits might not be visible!
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:25 am

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 16):
Unless it's a head-on view, in which the overwing exits might not be visible!

Unless the flaps are extended, it's pretty tough to make out the fairings from the front as well.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:35 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 13):
Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that,

Yeah, that's what's always been said. I don't know, seems a little insulting to the ramp guys if that actually were the reason.

I would think the difference in size would be a dead giveaway to any ramper. I see the need to make -700s easily identifiable since they are roughly the same size as the -300s. But after spending so much time around similarly sized aircraft, I would think the -800s would be obvious at first glance.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Isn't it easier - and more obvious - to look at the number of overwing window exits?

I don't think the average ramper knows how many exits there are. They aren't looking up there. From a rampers perspective, the color of the fairings is the most obvious. I know 15-year+ ramp agents that still need to see the red under the wings to know it's a -700.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:14 am

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):

The WN 700's have red tanks on the underside of the aircraft for easy identification. There has been a rumor that the 800's would be painted BLUE for easy identification.
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:19 am

For the 700 series when N999SW is reached then they will go to N100SW-------the 800's will be registered starting as N800SW
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:23 am

LOL, as a ramp agent I take exception to the comments listed above. Believe me when I tell you that most of us could spot a -700 or -300 as it flies overhead.. We don't need simpleton indicators.
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:38 am

Quoting swa4life (Reply 21):
Believe me when I tell you that most of us could spot a -700 or -300 as it flies overhead.. We don't need simpleton indicators.

Uh, flying overhead is when the red canoes become most obvious so of course everyone can spot the difference!

Trust me, the average ramp agent who doesn't care about airplanes only knows the differences by either tail number or the color of the fairings. Once upon a time most used winglets as the primary indicator but that went out the door when the -300s started getting them.

Funny story...when we first started seeing -300s with winglets, a lot of guys would start handling it like a -700. They would load it accordingly, and the funniest part was watching lav drivers pull up to the lav service location for the -700...OOPS! Their reactions were hilarious when they looked around in confusion wondering why there was no service door!
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that, possibly, the flap track fairings on the -800s may be painted blue.

I was told 10 years ago in ramp training that you could tell a 700 by it's red fairings. The 300's were not painted. Have not heard anything about the 800's.

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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:32 am

Also keep in mind that many on the NxxxSW register are Skywest Embraers and CRJs so are not available for WN to use.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:35 am

Strangely enough, one of the 6 RYR B738s sitting at BFI carries N7235C.

Coincidence?
 
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:57 am

Quoting GizmoNC (Reply 19):
The WN 700's have red tanks on the underside of the aircraft for easy identification. There has been a rumor that the 800's would be painted BLUE for easy identification.

Why not just make the -800's canoes red, too? After all, the -700 and -800 have an identical wingspan. The reason for the red canoes was so that the gate crews would exercise extra care, because when introduced, the -700 turned out to be a tight squeeze at many outstation gates due to the larger wingspan compared to the -300.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:40 am

Quoting trigged (Reply 3):
If they are going to sell planes, could they have reserved those odd numbers to re-register the outgoing aircraft so they can keep the SW suffix numbers for current aircraft?

I am sure that's possible, although most of the N3,5 and 6 numbers end with the SW prefix, once these birds retire I am sure they will make a comeback. A/C 400WN and on were delivered with the WN prefix ( with some LV and other exceptions ).

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):
Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.

Shouldn't be hard, the -800s are longer and we will sure as heck see it in the bins as well.

Aside from the airTran birds, anyone else have any ides as to if we are getting anymore 2nd hand -700s from other carriers?
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:48 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 27):
Aside from the airTran birds, anyone else have any ides as to if we are getting anymore 2nd hand -700s from other carriers?

I don't think so. We were getting used -700s because we needed more of them and the Boeing production line didn't have any slack in it to slip in some new orders. The used -700s were mostly low cycles. However, now WN is getting 78 or so -700s from FL, so WN should be good. Also, I'd be willing to wager that WN will have taken their last -700 when the 1st -800 is delivered.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:04 am

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 25):
Strangely enough, one of the 6 RYR B738s sitting at BFI carries N7235C.

Coincidence?

Negative - this was covered in a previous post.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:18 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 20):
For the 700 series when N999SW is reached then they will go to N100SW-------the 800's will be registered starting as N800SW

Can you confirm that the FL aircraft will be re-registrered when they are reconfigured for WN ?

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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:56 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 30):
Quoting n471wn (Reply 20):
For the 700 series when N999SW is reached then they will go to N100SW-------the 800's will be registered starting as N800SW

Can you confirm that the FL aircraft will be re-registrered when they are reconfigured for WN ?

No. He was saying that regardless of FL planes, WN would move to the N1xxWN tail numbers once the 900s run out. Things will get tricky though... WN is up to N964WN now. If we stop taking -700s in March, then I think WN could get as high as the N970WNs. Would WN stop there, or keep going with FL -700s to finish out the N9xxWN numbers?

No word has been given, but I'm sure that WN will register the -800s with the N8xxWN numbers.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:14 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 31):
Would WN stop there, or keep going with FL -700s to finish out the N9xxWN numbers?

No word has been given, but I'm sure that WN will register the -800s with the N8xxWN numbers.

Thank you for the reply. Looks like n471wn just confirmed that in his reply.

As I mentioned above, perhaps the FL -700s will continue with 557 and higher untul 599 and then 549 and lower ? That should be enough numbers to take care of all the FL -700s. The ex-Morris Air -300s were all re-registrered in the -600 series instead of the -300 series that WN was using at the time for newly delivered aircraft.

It is possible that the FL -700s will not be re-registrered at all and that's why I aksed the question.

I guess we will find out eventually.

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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:46 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 12):
I'm pretty sure they are 7BDs (FL's Boeing code). These are N555WN and N556WN.

N556WN is registered to WN as a 737-7BD.
N555WN must be a bad number because it comes up as a Dragonfly registered to a Donald Sessions.
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RE: Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 33):
N555WN must be a bad number because it comes up as a Dragonfly registered to a Donald Sessions.

Ship number 555 is N555LV (also a 737-7BD).

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 31):
WN is up to N964WN now. If we stop taking -700s in March, then I think WN could get as high as the N970WNs

Boeing has N965/966/967WN right now. With six -700's planned in 2012, you are likely correct.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 32):
It is possible that the FL -700s will not be re-registrered at all and that's why I aksed the question.

I expect they probably will, just for consistency. Southwest's ship numbers match the registration number, while AirTran's do not.

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