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OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:29 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".



9K ACK-HYA DEC 16>13

Close in cuts, not typical of American.
AA BOS-CDG OCT 0.9>0.5
AA DFW-LGA OCT 14>13
AA DFW-NRT OCT 2>1.7
AA DFW-RNO OCT 3>2
AA DFW-SJC OCT 6>5
AA JFK-SAN OCT 2>1.3
AA MIA-AUA OCT 1.9>1.7
AA MIA-GYE OCT 1.5>1.3
AA MIA-SAP OCT 1.9>1.7
AA MIA-UIO OCT 2>1.7
AA SJU-DOM JAN 1.0>1.3

AB JFK-DUS MAY 0>1.0
AB JFK-TXL MAY 0>0.5
AB LAX-DUS MAY 0>0.3
AB MIA-DUS MAY 0>0.5
AB MIA-TXL MAY 0>0.5
AB RSW-DUS MAY 0>0.5
AB SFO-DUS MAY 0>0.2

AM ORD-MEX DEC 1.7>3

AS SEA-LGB NOV 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4

AT JFK-CMN DEC 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>0.8

B6 BOS-AUA JAN 1.3>1.1
B6 BOS-MBJ JAN 0.3>0.4
B6 BOS-PUJ JAN 0.3>0.4 FEB 0.3>0.5 MAR 0.3>0.5 APR 0.3>0.4
B6 EWR-RSW JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 3>1.5
B6 HPN-RSW JAN 1.6>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA JAN 3>2.0
B6 JFK-BDA JAN 0.7>0.6
B6 JFK-BUF JAN 6>7
B6 MCO-IAD JAN 3>2.0

BA MCO-LGW APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.4
BA SJU-ANU APR 0.3>0.2 MAY 0.3>0.1

CI GUM-TPE JAN 0.3>0.5

CO EWR-CUN MAR 3>4
CO EWR-SJD DEC 0.4>0.5
CO IAH-CZM DEC 1.4>1.2
CO IAH-DGO DEC 0.6>0.5
CO IAH-HUX DEC 0.6>0.4
CO IAH-PBC DEC 1.5>1.2
CO IAH-PVR JAN 2>3 MAR 1.8>3
CO IAH-SJD FEB 2>3
CO IAH-SLW DEC 0.9>0.7
CO IAH-TGZ DEC 0.7>0.3
CO IAH-ZIH DEC 0.9>0.7
CO IAH-ZLO DEC 0.7>0.5

DL ATL-AGS APR 11>9 MAY 11>9
DL ATL-CSG MAY 4>5
DL ATL-DEN MAY 9>8
DL ATL-FPO MAY 0.1>0.3
DL ATL-GSO MAR 9>10 APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
DL ATL-ILM MAY 6>7
DL ATL-JAN JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8
DL ATL-JAX JAN 12>11
DL ATL-LFT MAY 5>6
DL ATL-LIT JAN 9>8
DL ATL-MGM JAN 10>9 APR 9>10 MAY 8>10
DL ATL-MLB MAR 5>4
DL ATL-MYR FEB 5>6 MAR 3>5
DL ATL-PWM APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL ATL-SKB MAR 0.2>0.3 APR 0.1>0.3
DL ATL-TLH APR 10>9 MAY 10>9
DL ATL-VPS JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>8 APR 11>8 MAY 10>8
DL CVG-DEN APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
DL CVG-MDT JAN 0.9>1.8 FEB 0.9>1.9
DL DSM-MSP MAY 5>6
DL DTW-BMI FEB 1.4>0.9
DL DTW-FLL APR 5>6
DL DTW-GRR MAR 8>9
DL DTW-LEX MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
DL DTW-LSE JAN 1.8>0 FEB 3>0.5 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-MBS MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7
DL DTW-MDT JAN 5>4 FEB 6>4
DL DTW-MHT APR 7>6
DL DTW-MKE APR 7>6 MAY 7>6
DL DTW-MLI JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL DTW-OKC MAY 1.9>3
DL DTW-PHX MAR 4>5
DL DTW-PVD JAN 6>5 FEB 7>6 MAR 6>5
DL DTW-PWM MAR 4>3
DL FSD-MSP MAY 7>6
DL GEG-MSP MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3
DL GFK-MSP JAN 7>6 FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6
DL GRB-MSP JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
*DL HNL-FUK DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.7
DL HNL-KIX MAR 1.0>1.3
DL HNL-NRT FEB 4>3
DL LGA-SAV FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
DL MEM-FLL FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL MLI-MSP APR 2>3
DL MSO-MSP MAY 2>1.0
DL MSP-OKC MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
DL MSP-OMA MAR 6>7
DL MSP-RAP APR 6>4 MAY 6>5
DL MSP-SFO JAN 4>5 FEB 4>6 MAR 4>5
DL MSP-TVC MAY 2>1.0
DL MSP-YYC MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
DL SLC-BIL MAY 4>5
DL SLC-CUN MAY 0.1>0
DL SLC-IAH MAR 3>4 MAY 4>3
DL SLC-LAS APR 7>6 MAY 7>6
DL SLC-PDX APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
DL SLC-SEA APR 7>6 MAY 7>6
DL SLC-SJC APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.2>2 MAY 1.0>2
DL SLC-YYC APR 1.2>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.9

*F9 MKE-MCO JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 1.3>0.8

FI SFB-KEF FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.4

HA KOA-OGG JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3
HA OGG-KOA JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3

IB JFK-MAD JAN 1.5>1.6 FEB 1.5>1.6

KX MIA-GCM JAN 1.9>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3 MAY 2.0>3

LA MIA-LIM NOV 1.0>1.2
LA SFO-LIM NOV 0.6>0.4

NK FLL-MDE FEB 0.9>1.0 MAR 0.8>1.0 APR 0.9>1.0
NK MCO-SJU DEC 1.5>1.3

SK EWR-ARN FEB 0.8>0.9 MAR 0.7>0.9
SK EWR-OSL FEB 0.6>0.8
SK ORD-ARN FEB 0.8>0.9 MAR 0.8>0.9

SV IAD-RUH APR 0.1>0.3 MAY 0.2>0.3
SV JFK-JED APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.5>0.6

TJ SJU-SBH NOV 3>5 DEC 3>5 JAN 3>5 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5
TJ STT-SBH NOV 0.3>0.7 DEC 0.3>0.7 JAN 0.3>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.7 MAR 0.3>0.7 APR 0.3>0.7 MAY 0.3>0.7

TS MCO-YUL NOV 0.4>0.3

U5 ORD-CUN JAN 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.9>1.0 APR 0.7>0.9
U5 ORD-MBJ JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1

UA ORD-STL OCT 9>8

US ALB-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0
US BOS-LGA DEC 14>10 JAN 14>13
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.4>1.1
US BUF-LGA DEC 7>6
US CLT-HHH DEC 7>8
US CLT-LAX DEC 4>5
US CLT-LGA DEC 12>11
US CLT-MYR DEC 7>8
US CLT-SAN DEC 1.4>3
US CLT-SEA DEC 1.2>3
US CLT-SFO DEC 4>5
US CLT-SJU MAY 1.8>3
US CLT-YUL DEC 1.7>2
US DCA-BDL DEC 5>4
US DCA-BOS DEC 14>10 JAN 14>13
US DCA-LGA DEC 14>11 JAN 14>13
US DCA-NAS DEC 0.6>0.8
US LGA-RIC DEC 6>5
US PHL-BOS DEC 15>12 MAR 15>18 APR 15>18 MAY 15>19
US PHL-DEN DEC 1.9>3
US PHL-FLL DEC 5>6
US PHL-LAX DEC 5>6
US PHL-LGA DEC 20>18
US PHL-MBJ JAN 1.3>1.7 FEB 1.3>1.9 MAR 1.5>3 APR 1.4>3 MAY 1.3>1.9
US PHL-MIA DEC 3>4
US PHL-PBI DEC 3>4
US PHL-SEA DEC 2>3
US PHL-SWF DEC 4>5
US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.5
US PHX-FLG DEC 6>7
US PHX-GDL FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
US PHX-HNL MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3
US PHX-LIH JAN 0.8>0.6
US PHX-LIH JAN 0.8>0.6 FEB 0.9>0.8 MAR 0.9>1.0 APR 0.9>1.0 MAY 0.8>1.0
US PHX-OGG JAN 1.1>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.3 MAR 1.0>1.5 APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.7
US PHX-OGG MAY 1.0>1.7
US PHX-TEX DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0
US PHX-YEG DEC 1.0>1.5

VB IAH-MTY OCT 0.3>0.6 NOV 0.3>0.6 DEC 0.3>0.5 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.5 MAR 0.3>0.4 APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4
VB LAS-MTY OCT 0.3>0.6 NOV 0.3>0.5 DEC 0.3>0.6
VB MCO-MTY DEC 0>0.2
VB MDW-MTY OCT 0>0.2 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
VB MIA-MTY NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
VB SAT-MTY NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.5

This reverses a schedule change of a few weeks ago. No idea why...
Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
Y4 LAS-GDL NOV 0.4>1.3 DEC 0.4>1.3 JAN 0.5>1.3 FEB 0.4>1.3 MAR 0.4>1.3 APR 0.5>1.3 MAY 0.4>1.3
Y4 LAS-MEX NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
Y4 LAX-AGU NOV 0.1>0.3 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.2>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3 MAR 0.1>0.3 APR 0.2>0.3 MAY 0.1>0.3
Y4 LAX-GDL NOV 0.5>2 DEC 0.5>2 JAN 0.6>2 FEB 0.6>3 MAR 0.5>2 APR 0.7>2 MAY 0.5>2
Y4 LAX-MEX NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
Y4 LAX-MLM NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
Y4 LAX-ZCL NOV 0.1>0.7 DEC 0.1>0.7 JAN 0.2>0.7 FEB 0.1>0.8 MAR 0.1>0.7 APR 0.2>0.7 MAY 0.1>0.7
Y4 MDW-GDL NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
Y4 MDW-MEX NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6 APR 0>0.6 MAY 0>0.5
Y4 MDW-MLM NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
Y4 MDW-ZCL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
Y4 OAK-GDL NOV 0.5>1.6 DEC 0.5>1.5 JAN 0.6>1.6 FEB 0.6>1.6 MAR 0.5>1.5 APR 0.7>1.6 MAY 0.5>1.5
Y4 OAK-MEX NOV 0.3>0.5 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.6 FEB 0.3>0.6 MAR 0.3>0.6 APR 0.3>0.6 MAY 0.3>0.5
Y4 SAN-GDL NOV 0.3>0.7 DEC 0.3>0.7 JAN 0.3>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.7 MAR 0.3>0.7 APR 0.3>0.7 MAY 0.3>0.7
Y4 SAN-MEX NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0
Y4 SJC-GDL NOV 0.5>1.4 DEC 0.5>1.4 JAN 0.6>1.5 FEB 0.6>1.5 MAR 0.5>1.4 APR 0.7>1.5 MAY 0.5>1.4

ZK CNY-DEN APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.9
ZK CNY-PGA OCT 0.8>0.5 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
ZK DEN-FMN MAR 4>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5
ZK DIK-GCC OCT 0>0.7
*ZK FMN-LAS NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
*ZK FMN-PGA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*ZK FMN-PRC MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*ZK FMN-SOW APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
ZK GCC-ISN OCT 4>3
ZK IGM-PHX MAR 0.6>1.8 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>1.9
*ZK LAS-PGA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*ZK LAX-PRC MAR 0.6>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
ZK PGA-PHX OCT 2>1.4 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*ZK PHX-SOW MAR 0.6>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
This reverses a schedule change of a few weeks ago. No idea why...
Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0

I'd thought they were going back to the original plan of 4X a week for the off-season. AM cut one flight a week from FAT-GDL this month just as they did on SMF-GDL. Y4 is finally pulling ahead of AM at FAT in terms of passengers carried but the fall traffic is weak for both carriers.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:21 pm

Thanks as always for the time and effort to compile and post all this stuff..

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MKE-MCO JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 1.3>0.8

FWIW, this is just a correction on what was loaded in last week's posting, when amidst other cuts Frontier showed increases to MKE-MCO. This is the line from last week's entry:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-MCO JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>2

MKE-MCO appears planned to continue on as 1x, and the increases to 2x or 3x in Jan/Feb/Mar do not appear to have been real.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Close in cuts, not typical of American.

Turns out AA doesn't control the seasons; either that or someone at AA found a calendar 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:38 pm

Quoting WHatUsaid (Reply 1):
I'd thought they were going back to the original plan of 4X a week for the off-season. AM cut one flight a week from FAT-GDL this month just as they did on SMF-GDL. Y4 is finally pulling ahead of AM at FAT in terms of passengers carried but the fall traffic is weak for both carriers.

I don't really watch them very closely, but it looked like reversals of a few weeks ago where there were dramatic cuts...I defer to somebody who follows them.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 2):

Thanks as always for the time and effort to compile and post all this stuff..

 
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-MCO JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>2

MKE-MCO appears planned to continue on as 1x, and the increases to 2x or 3x in Jan/Feb/Mar do not appear to have been real.

1X for March is pretty light

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Close in cuts, not typical of American.

Turns out AA doesn't control the seasons; either that or someone at AA found a calendar

I wonder if they waited to announce the cuts until the investor conference. They could have been zeroed out weeks ago.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-MCO JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>2

MKE-MCO appears planned to continue on as 1x, and the increases to 2x or 3x in Jan/Feb/Mar do not appear to have been real.

1X for March is pretty light

It is...last year was 10x/week...however with less feed they (in theory) should be able to handel a reasonable amount of traffic in the market without having to sell bargain-basement fares.

Like a lot of the rest of the MKE operation, the focus seems to be on primarily serving local traffic, and not have so much excess capacity which gets filled with junk. In theory this works. Hopefully it does in practice.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:58 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*ZK LAS-PGA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

This re instates a cut made last month.

I flew LAS-PGA-CNY-DEN on ZK last month, just to add PGA and CNY to my log book. The LAS-PGA flight flew just north of the Grand Canyon, and the PGA-CNY flight flew along the shore of Lake Powell. Amazing scenery!

If anyone is flying between LAS and DEN, and is not in a hurry, I'd HIGHLY recommend taking ZK, because ZK's 1900s fly much lower than the competition's 737s and A320s so you get a much better view.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:06 pm

I'm pretty sure that this has become my favorite thread here on a.net, and really look forward to it every week. Again, many thanks for doing this and keeping it up.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-CUN MAY 0.1>0

Is this now to be seasonal, or is this a complete cut?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:21 pm

US is cutting back on the Shuttle flights it seems like. While the LGA flights don't surprise me here, DCA-BOS getting cut back does surprise me. I would think this would be one of US most lucrative routes.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:44 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 5):
Like a lot of the rest of the MKE operation, the focus seems to be on primarily serving local traffic, and not have so much excess capacity which gets filled with junk. In theory this works. Hopefully it does in practice.

Yes, but 1 RT is slim for March. The local market to MCO is pretty big.

Quoting point2point (Reply 7):

I'm pretty sure that this has become my favorite thread here on a.net, and really look forward to it every week. Again, many thanks for doing this and keeping it up.

Thanks! I get disappointed then it does not generate more news. This edition was a little slow in my opinion.

Quoting apodino (Reply 8):

US is cutting back on the Shuttle flights it seems like.

I believe those are really heavy cutbacks during the Holidays. I think that is pretty typical of past years.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:04 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DSM-MSP MAY 5>6

Assume this is just another CRJ routing through the DSM mx base?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MLI-MSP APR 2>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-MLI JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4

I think at one point last winter MLI-MSP was down to one frequency a day, so I'm glad DL is seeing the obvious light and building it back up. Historically, that's been a stronger route than MLI-DTW.
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RE: OAG Changes 9/23/2011: AA/B6/CO/DL/US

Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-DEN APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0

Alot of people have suspected this to be downgraded. At least as of now that 1x daily is still a 737

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-TEX DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0

For those that don't know this unusual symbol its Telluride Airport in Colorado the one actually in the town its America's highest commercial airport. Not to be confused with Montrose/Telluride Airport MTJ which is the one most of the commercial traffic is to and is a decent drive away. Its funny cause TEX just got a new runway so this would be a huge reduction in service if it were true?
 
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

LA MIA-LIM NOV 1.0>1.2
LA SFO-LIM NOV 0.6>0.4

LA LIM-MIA operates 13x weekly, (with an additional frequency also operating on certain days). LA LIM-SFO operates 4x weekly.
 
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Quoting planespotting (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DSM-MSP MAY 5>6

Assume this is just another CRJ routing through the DSM mx base?

Hopefully it is demand driven!

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-DEN APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0

Alot of people have suspected this to be downgraded. At least as of now that 1x daily is still a 737

I almost put an * next to that one, but people say I'm rooting for the death of CVG so I left it alone. Isn't F9 still in DEN-DAY? I'm sure that is draining passengers. I also thought MEM-FLL going down to 1 rt in peak season was pretty depressing.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Its funny cause TEX just got a new runway so this would be a huge reduction in service if it were true?

Didn't US say something recently about not flying the ski markets any more?
I just checked on US website and the flights were not there any more for 12/24 and 12/17.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:14 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-BOS DEC 15>12 MAR 15>18 APR 15>18 MAY 15>19

Ramped up frequency to try to recover the former WN pax?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*ZK LAX-PRC MAR 0.6>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2

Is this a typo? X is right by S after all...

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Its funny cause TEX just got a new runway so this would be a huge reduction in service if it were true?
Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Didn't US say something recently about not flying the ski markets any more?
I just checked on US website and the flights were not there any more for 12/24 and 12/17.

I believe the US employee website said something about losing the Dash-8 stations because of the Mesa drop. If a CRJ now cannot do it, at least temporarily service is kaput.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:15 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
LA LIM-SFO operates 4x weekly.

It's down to 3 weekly starting FEB12; SEP/OCT11 are down a trip as well.

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Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting planespotting (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter)
DL DSM-MSP MAY 5>6

Assume this is just another CRJ routing through the DSM mx base?

Hopefully it is demand driven!

DSM-MSP is currently operating 6 per day now, and stays at 6x at least through March. This is an extension of status quo.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-DEN APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0

Alot of people have suspected this to be downgraded. At least as of now that 1x daily is still a 737

I almost put an * next to that one, but people say I'm rooting for the death of CVG so I left it alone. Isn't F9 still in DEN-DAY? I'm sure that is draining passengers. I also thought MEM-FLL going down to 1 rt in peak season was pretty depressing.

CVG-DEN is currently at 1 at day, the 2nd flight was cut I believe in mid-August at the end of the summer schedule. This is just an extension out of what they are currently operating, so it looks like they aren't planning as of now to bring back the 2nd flight (but as always that could change). DL did bring back the 2nd SFO-CVG flight and is bring back a 2nd CVG-MDT flight.

The only interesting things I see are that CVG-DEN sees a 757 instead of a 738 on Thursdays in October and there is no CVG-DEN flight on Saturdays. I know CVG-ers get excited to see a 757 these days. The aircraft flys ATL-CVG on Wednesday night, RONs, and then flies CVG-DEN on Thursdays. A 2nd flight, an afternoon CR9 on CVG-DEN flies briefly again over the Christmas holiday period.

Another interesting footnote is that I noticed my December DTW-DEN flights were changed from 757s to MD-90s.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
It's down to 3 weekly starting FEB12; SEP/OCT11 are down a trip as well.

LA is receiving new a/c soon in order to increase frequencies from SCL for the high season and LP is not receiving new a/c until FEB after the runway at LIM reopens from 1AM-7AM. It will operate 4x weekly for the high season and beginning in FEB, LP's schedule will change again when the runway at LIM reopens.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-TEX DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0

For those that don't know this unusual symbol its Telluride Airport in Colorado the one actually in the town its America's highest commercial airport. Not to be confused with Montrose/Telluride Airport MTJ which is the one most of the commercial traffic is to and is a decent drive away. Its funny cause TEX just got a new runway so this would be a huge reduction in service if it were true?

Here is the US Statement on this again, US is blaming Mesaba for pulling their aircraft...

We made the decision to pull our seasonal winter service between PHX and TEX, which originally was scheduled to
operate Dec. 16 through the first week of April. To reduce future bookings, we zeroed out the service and it will be pulled from the system this Saturday, Sept. 17. Jason Reisinger, director, Route Planning, said, “This decision was primarily driven by Mesaba’s exit and our need to backfill that schedule, which left us without the necessary aircraft for this winter’s TEX service.”
 
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-BOS DEC 15>12 MAR 15>18 APR 15>18 MAY 15>19
Ramped up frequency to try to recover the former WN pax?

Perhaps, but I bet it is short-lived before they double the fares.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*ZK LAX-PRC MAR 0.6>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
Is this a typo? X is right by S after all...

It's not my typo. Could be ZK's typo.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 18):
Here is the US Statement on this again, US is blaming Mesaba for pulling their aircraft...

We made the decision to pull our seasonal winter service between PHX and TEX, which originally was scheduled to

My memory is pretty good!
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*ZK LAX-PRC MAR 0.6>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
Is this a typo? X is right by S after all...

It's not my typo. Could be ZK's typo.

No, it's not a typo.

ZK's route map shows they fly LAX-PRC-FMN-DEN. This is their only flight through PRC. They do not fly from PRC to LAS or PHX.

In looking at their route map, it's a little surprising to see they have no links between their ABQ operation and the rest of their system. They fly ABQ-Silver City and ABQ-Clovis, but do not have any flights from these three cities to any other cities they serve. I would have thought they would extend one of their LAS-FMN flights to ABQ, just to bridge aircraft to/from their ABQ network.
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Did I miss it earlier, but Virgin America is adding SFO-PSP.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
I'm sure that is draining passengers.

Oh you can bet that it does, but still, this should be an easy route for DL. 1 daily? pathetic. I'm just thankful it's still mainline.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
DL did bring back the 2nd SFO-CVG flight

They did indeed. And what's even more surprising is that CVG-SAN appears to be sticking around year-round after DL seasonally suspended it last year, I didn't even think they were going to bring it back. CVG-west coast has stayed surprisingly strong with the exception of DEN.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 18):
Jason Reisinger, director, Route Planning, said, “This decision was primarily driven by Mesaba’s exit and our need to backfill that schedule, which left us without the necessary aircraft for this winter’s TEX service.”

I don't really understand how pulling Dash-8's from YV helps to backfill XJ at LGA, unless EN is going to pick up YV's used Dash-8's.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:17 pm

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Close in cuts, not typical of American.

There is a serious pilot shortage. These close-in cuts will continue through at least January.
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:53 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 22):
And what's even more surprising is that CVG-SAN appears to be sticking around year-round after DL seasonally suspended it last year, I didn't even think they were going to bring it back.

True, but it was only gone between 1/4/11 and 3/2/11 last winter. The route has been around for many years and the seasonal suspensions just started a couple of years ago, as the CVG hub started shrinking. (SAN saw multiple flights in the market as recently as Summer of 2008.)

I have no idea how many connecting opportunities from SAN exist any more at CVG -- especially for the timing of e/b flight, arriving in Kentucky after 6pm -- but I assume there is a good amount of local traffic in the market; the route does seem to do pretty well.

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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 25):



I have no idea how many connecting opportunities from SAN exist any more at CVG -- especially for the timing of e/b flight, arriving in Kentucky after 6pm -- but I assume there is a good amount of local traffic in the market; the route does seem to do pretty well.

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there is still an evening bank of flights departing CVG from about 7-830pm so it would connect to some flights going to the Ohio Valley and east coast
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:35 am

DEN is challenging between the abundance of service between F9, WN and UA. Fares are CHEAP to DEN compared to most places, especially considering the stage length.

The CVG-SAN flight times compliment the DTW-SAN flights. They don't overlap each other provide east-west connecting opportunities at different times throughout the day as well as serve the local CVG market.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:10 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 20):

In looking at their route map, it's a little surprising to see they have no links between their ABQ operation and the rest of their system. They fly ABQ-Silver City and ABQ-Clovis, but do not have any flights from these three cities to any other cities they serve. I would have thought they would extend one of their LAS-FMN flights to ABQ, just to bridge aircraft to/from their ABQ network.

Yeah, a ABQ-FMN flight once a day would make perfect sense but we all know how much sense ZK makes in their operational decisions. Once or twice a week (or whenever the plane breaks) we reposition a plane from LBL (the overnight crew) to Clovis to swap our aircraft for maintenance!

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 20):
ZK's route map shows they fly LAX-PRC-FMN-DEN. This is their only flight through PRC. They do not fly from PRC to LAS or PHX.

That is correct, ZK does fly from PRC to LAX! There are also rumors that PRC-PHX might open up again as well, now that PRC is a crew base! But I would not hold my breath on that one!
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:05 am

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 18):
“This decision was primarily driven by Mesaba’s exit

I assume Mesaba is supposed to be Mesa?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
I believe the US employee website said something about losing the Dash-8 stations because of the Mesa drop. If a CRJ now cannot do it, at least temporarily service is kaput.

As Piedmont has already moved into PHX and other stations to handle ground and gate service for Express flights, is there any chance US could bring some of Piedmont's Dash 8s to PHX?
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:06 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 20):
In looking at their route map, it's a little surprising to see they have no links between their ABQ operation and the rest of their system. They fly ABQ-Silver City and ABQ-Clovis, but do not have any flights from these three cities to any other cities they serve. I would have thought they would extend one of their LAS-FMN flights to ABQ, just to bridge aircraft to/from their ABQ network.

I'm sure they have a ferry over the weekend for A/C rotation, but there is no local market so they don't even load it for sale.

Quoting WHatUsaid (Reply 21):

Did I miss it earlier, but Virgin America is adding SFO-PSP.

It's not loaded yet. Next week probably.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 22):
Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
I'm sure that is draining passengers.
Oh you can bet that it does, but still, this should be an easy route for DL. 1 daily? pathetic. I'm just thankful it's still mainline.

In the scheme of a dying hub everything is pathetic.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 24):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Close in cuts, not typical of American.
There is a serious pilot shortage. These close-in cuts will continue through at least January.

Well then I'm disappointed to some extent. Other carriers routinely cancel flights now about 5 weeks before the month due to poor bookings. AA has been a laggard. I wondered if this would signal a change of heart. Not that I like cancelling flights and hosing passengers, but AA needs to make money and it is monkey see, monkey do when it leads to better results. AA is the only monkey not playing along. So, basically this is a panic cut and not a sign of better management/better profitability.  
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:03 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LA is receiving new a/c soon in order to increase frequencies from SCL for the high season and LP is not receiving new a/c until FEB after the runway at LIM reopens from 1AM-7AM. It will operate 4x weekly for the high season and beginning in FEB, LP's schedule will change again when the runway at LIM reopens.

The LIM runway issue has no relation to the pulldown, as LA keeps pulling down the flight well before and after the closure. In fact it really only operates 4 weekly during the runway closure.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
Well then I'm disappointed to some extent.

Why? The pilot shortage is temporary. Low demand certain days of the week is not. If AA has to cancel due to pilot shortage, should it be canceling its highest demand flights? Of course not.

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 29):
As Piedmont has already moved into PHX and other stations to handle ground and gate service for Express flights, is there any chance US could bring some of Piedmont's Dash 8s to PHX?

The two are totally separate. Plenty of East stations with little or no EN service (e.g. CRW, CAE) are handled by EN.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:23 pm

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DL DTW-BMI FEB 1.4>0.9

Looks like DL's build up on its PIA-DTW route this month may be coming at the expense of Bloomington-Normal.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:47 pm

Did anyone else catch US bumping PHX-HNL up to 3 flights a day. I cant remember but im thinking thats the most frequency Ive seen for that route...Something must be going right for them to do that...
 
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
The pilot shortage is temporary. Low demand certain days of the week is not

That's his point--AA should be doing this on a regular basis.
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
Well then I'm disappointed to some extent.

Why? The pilot shortage is temporary. Low demand certain days of the week is not. If AA has to cancel due to pilot shortage, should it be canceling its highest demand flights? Of course not.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
The pilot shortage is temporary. Low demand certain days of the week is not

That's his point--AA should be doing this on a regular basis.

Exactly. I was kind of hoping this signaled that they were now going to do demand based cancellations like the other airlines do. Again I say that not because it is great for passengers, but because AA needs to survive. That strategy is easily worth a few hundred million per year to DL or UA and it goes straight to the bottom line.
 
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Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 29):
Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 18):
“This decision was primarily driven by Mesaba’s exit

I assume Mesaba is supposed to be Mesa?

I think that most people seem to believe that Piedmont is going to be taking back the Mesa Dash-8s and bringing them to the east coast, which will help replace Mesaba in 2012. Nothing has really been said to confirm this, but all of the former Mesaba/Colgan flights from LGA/BOS have been reloaded as Piedmont post-Dec 23 with the exception of the BOS EAS flights and the oddball CRW-DCA. So basically I guess US didn't want to start the season flying to TEX for a month or two and then have to end service. Back to the CRW-DCA flights, are these slots Colgan slots or are they owned by Airways? If they are Airways slots, what is the point of keeping a contract with Colgan to operate 1 flight as US Airways Express?
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 37):
I think that most people seem to believe that Piedmont is going to be taking back the Mesa Dash-8s and bringing them to the east coast, which will help replace Mesaba in 2012. Nothing has really been said to confirm this, but all of the former Mesaba/Colgan flights from LGA/BOS have been reloaded as Piedmont post-Dec 23 with the exception of the BOS EAS flights and the oddball CRW-DCA. So basically I guess US didn't want to start the season flying to TEX for a month or two and then have to end service. Back to the CRW-DCA flights, are these slots Colgan slots or are they owned by Airways? If they are Airways slots, what is the point of keeping a contract with Colgan to operate 1 flight as US Airways Express?

So Mesaba is parking these SF3s? ...or is this all tied into the slot swap?
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 36):
That strategy is easily worth a few hundred million per year to DL or UA and it goes straight to the bottom line.

With respect (truly), I highly doubt it's worth that much. If AA really could be generating an incremental "few hundred million" in additional revenue or cost avoidance simply by canceling Tuesday/Wednesday/Saturday flights in select markets during periods of low demand, I suspect they would be doing it. That would be too large to pass up.

I have no doubt that this definitely is a smart revenue/cost trade-off equation for the airlines that do it, and I also further agree that AA should be doing it to a greater extent. But I just don't think it's wroth "a few hundred million."
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:05 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 39):
I have no doubt that this definitely is a smart revenue/cost trade-off equation for the airlines that do it, and I also further agree that AA should be doing it to a greater extent. But I just don't think it's wroth "a few hundred million."

I've run the numbers on a single Transatlantic route and it is worth about $10 million net to average 5/week through spot cancels instead of daily during the Winter...so yes, I think it is worth a few hundred million network-wide for a large legacy.

If they cancel at 45 days out they save all the costs except aircraft ownership (and some facility rent) and they basically retain all the booked revenue to that point, but they do run the risk of losing some bookings inside 45 days by not running the flight...but that is where a fairly sophisticated revenue management system can help forecast the losers.

AA believes that spot cancels "poison the water" by driving away customers. That is the offset to the hundreds of millions I speak of. There is no way of knowing what customer aversion is as a result, but if everybody else is doing it then aversion is basically zero.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 38):
So Mesaba is parking these SF3s? ...or is this all tied into the slot swap?

I think they are parking the Colgan Saabs and replacing them with the XJ Saabs. As far as the slot swap goes, nothing had been said about where the XJ operation would have moved to? I think that Colgan/Mesaba took US by surprise with their early departure. I also think in the thread about the Colgan/Mesaba out of LGA, someone said it had to do also with trying to get the crew shuffled around so that they have enough crew to fly the operation for UA and DL.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 41):
I also think in the thread about the Colgan/Mesaba out of LGA, someone said it had to do also with trying to get the crew shuffled around so that they have enough crew to fly the operation for UA and DL.

They probably don't want to hire because they know the props are doomed.

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