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Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:09 pm

I was wondering, if another US airline wanted to join Oneworld, would they be able to, or is Oneworld, AA only in the states?
 
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:16 pm

There aren't a lot of US airlines left which are available. But I could see B6 joining, they are close partners with AA and have been increasing their co-operation, don't be put off by the LH shareholding, it isn't enough to block anything, and, given the right offer I could see LH being happy to sell of their stake. I don't see AS joining as I think they make much more money by sleeping around with everyone (except A*) than they would by settling down to an alliance relationship.
 
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:17 pm

Who would consider joining? B6? Alaska? I don't think that any of the non-alliance carriers in the US are really seeking one.
 
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:20 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
But I could see B6 joining

B6 is opening agreements with some OneWorld carriers such as AA and LA. I wouldn't be surprised if they join. I wonder if their LCC status would exclude them.....funny I see B6 more "full service" than their legacy counterparts.
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:58 pm

I could see US jumping ship from Star but even that's unlikely...
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:59 pm

I think that B6 could bring a lot to the table for oneworld, but what could oneworld bring to the table for B6? Not nearly as much as Star. The scope of their current agreement with AA is extremely limited, and I can't see that cooperation growing much due to some restrictions on domestic cooperation in the AA pilots contract.

There aren't many heavy hitters that oneworld brings to the table for B6. BA/IB, CX, JL, LA, QF. If B6 joined oneworld, consider the VS interline agreement toast.

Star brings them (internationally): AC, CA, NZ, NH, OZ, OS, SN, MS, LH, SK, SQ, SA, LX, JJ, TP, and rumored VS and 9W. One could argue over whether some of these carriers are "heavy hitters," but the fact is that Star would bring B6 so much more international feed. Star would bring a whole lot more to the table for B6, but I'm not sure how much B6 brings to Star. Also something tells me UA and US would have a thing or two to say about B6 poaching their feed from the other Star carriers. Not to mention all the joining requirements that would be a massive departure from their core business model (i.e. adding tiers to TrueBlue, a first class cabin, interfacing with WorldTracer, etc.) It'd also cost them boatloads of money.

In short, neither option seems particularly appealing if I were B6, so I think that what they're doing now picking and choosing their partner airlines seems like the best option. Oneworld doesn't bring a whole lot to the table, and the obstacles to joining Star are too costly and a major deviation from their core business model.

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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:12 pm

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 5):
If B6 joined oneworld, consider the VS interline agreement toast.

Not necessarily since BA, QF and AA also interline with VS.
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 3):
B6 is opening agreements with some OneWorld carriers such as AA and LA. I wouldn't be surprised if they join. I wonder if their LCC status would exclude them.....funny I see B6 more "full service" than their legacy counterparts.

Doubt the LCC thing would matter at all, as you said, they offer a better onboard product then most US mainlines
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:12 am

B6 joining oneworld would be a boon for AA in particular. Having a significant LCC partner in 3 major cornerstone markets would help AA really dominate all types of travelers from leisure to business. Thoughts?
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:52 am

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 5):
I think that B6 could bring a lot to the table for oneworld, but what could oneworld bring to the table for B6? Not nearly as much as Star.

JFK is B6's "fortress" and AA/BA bring the most to the table there.

Add -LAX, MIA, Caribbean, ORD, (even DFW), DCA, BOS and one can see what OneWorld brings.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
don't be put off by the LH shareholding,

  . Also, BA (Walsh) has been on record that IAG is possibly interested in taking an investment into B6.
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:40 am

I would love to see what the addition of B6 to OneWorld would do to BOS. Maybe it would inspire AY to come back?
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RE: Could Another US Airline Join Oneworld?

Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:52 am

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 3):
I wonder if their LCC status would exclude them

JQ has a lot to do with Oneworld, and they are far more LCC than B6 is. I'd say it would be zero problem (they are, afterall, a 'good' LCC!)

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