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John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:07 am

This article just popped up in Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf' (sorry, in Dutch only)"

http://www.telegraaf.nl/reiskrant/10...nieuw_supervliegtuig_bouwen__.html

A quote: "Ik zou werkelijk niet verbaasd opkijken als de plannen voor de extra large versie van de A380 tegen het einde van dit jaar al werkelijkheid zouden worden"

Roughly translated: "I would really not be surprised if the plans for a longer version of the A380 would become reality before the end of this year."

The article was written by John Eldering, a well respected travel industry journalist.

Interesting..

[Edited 2011-09-22 03:10:27]
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:20 am

Quoting 76er (Thread starter):
"I would really not be surprised if the plans for a longer version of the A380 would become reality before the end of this year."

That would be a lot sooner then I anticipated. But then again, the A350-1000 has already sold 75 copies and is still at least 6 years away. So why not launch the A380-900 late 2011/early 2012 with an EIS of 2018-2020. I still think that would be the most realistic possible EIS for the long anticipated stretched and optimised A380-900.  .

Quoting 76er (Thread starter):
Interesting..

Oh yes, very interesting.   
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:27 am

Given that the engine for the 389 (TXWB ) is being hung on the prototype as we speak and will be flown in the next days. I would not be surprised to see a 389 being launched by say CX or someone else.

Stretching the fuselage once the engine/nacelle combo has been verified by the 350 program should reduce the risk in a 389 program considerably. What a fine machine it should be, lots of room and lots of range with the leanest/best engine on the planet just now   , the 389 with the TXWB should be a winner into slot-restricted airports.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:31 am

There is another statement from Leahy in which he says "I wouldn't be suprised if the A 389 became reality at the end of this DECADE". Unfortunately, I cannot find the link (again).

An Airbus spokesman in Hamburg has been quoted saying: "it's not a project for the next two or three years but the plans could become reality at the end of this decade."
Source: http://www.shz.de/nachrichten/schles...tretch-version-fuer-den-a-380.html

Is this a contradiction? Or is it rather like EPA sn001 says: launch in 2011/2012 with a planned EIS for 2018/2020?
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:36 am

Too early, for me.

I think launching it now (unless is a very early launch and they have plans to EIS it in 2020 sort of time anyway?) means they're missing a trick in terms of features.

I mentioned in an earlier thread that a 2016 launch for a 2020 EIS makes sense in a lot of ways:

1 - the GENX and TrentXWB will be on wing, proven and nearing the end of their first development cycle, ripe for development and improvement.

2 - My understanding is that the Pratt GTF might be available around this sort of time which would be pretty compelling on an A380 I think.

3 - Airbus should get the A350 out the door first and then incorporate the lessons and efficiency savings they get from this programme into an A389 which would then hit the market circa 2020.

4 - SQ and maybe EK might start to roll over their early build A388s around 2020 and so the market for a prospective A389 around this sort of time would be larger than one now, where most (not all) of the target customers have just handed over billions for their A388s which are still yet to be delivered and are untouchable at present in terms of efficiency and CASM.

5 - We're staring down the barrel of a possible double dip GFC, and the banks are strained - massive capital outlay for an even larger VLA at the moment is not going to be easy to get past the shareholders, particularly with many companies still wrestling with pension shortfalls and forex losses. Wait for the danger to pass, growth figures to rebound and then watch the airlines jump on board in their droves.

6 - The A350 - particularly the A35J if reports are to be believed - is going to be a massive challenge, and taking on an A389 now before the full scale of any pre-EIS issues are known seems unnecessarily risky.

7 - World air travel growth in the key markets will ensure that by 2020 some routes that are 77W or 744 now will be A388 suitable with no difficulty. Routes that are A388 now will move to A389 easily as well.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:39 am

And they call it the Airbus XXL.  

I can only find this Leahy quote on Dutch and German news-sites but there is a BIG difference in the translation.

The Dutch sites mention "I would really not be surprised if the plans for a longer version of the A380 would become reality before the end of this year." while the German news-sites mention "I would really not be surprised if the original plans for a longer version of the A380 would become reality before the end of this decade."
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:40 am

I would be very surprised at this; I think Airbus has more than they can handle in engineering right now, and I do not see any relief anytime soon. The A350 is going to require considerable resources for several years yet; the A320NEO is extremely urgent, and the A400 has not been satisfactorily resolved yet. And if Boeing does start work on the 737RS (which I expect they will) after they get the 737MAX done Airbus will have to answer. I just do not see a good business case for devoting resources toward the A389; there just aren't enough customers for it. I can see hanging A350 (or 787) engines on the A388; that shouldn't take that much effort and will improve performance; but stretching it as well will take a lot more.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:46 am

Quoting Chrisba777er (Reply 4):
Too early, for me.

Agreed, unless a key customer that Airbus wants to add to their A380 portfolio is putting some pressure.   
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:50 am

There was a thread not so long ago where someone had spotted Airbus at Toulouse flying their test 388 very heavily loaded.

At the time people were speculating whether Airbus was trying to find out where the max (safe) load point was.

Certainly a couple of things are already happening.By frame "xx"/ Can't remeber the number - Think BA was first to receive.

Anyway the aircraft has been on a huge diet recently.I don't know how far they have got with that - but obviously a ton shaved off the weight is potentially a ton of fuel.

The other was a wing improvenment.Changing ther AOA as I recall. No small matter so one assumes they have spotted a decent gain via computer simulations.

The point being that the quote refers to longer - what. Body (thats normally called a "stretch"). So perhaps they mean Longer - range.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:13 am

Quoting parapente (Reply 8):
Changing ther AOA as I recall.

Sorry for my ignorance: what does AOA stands for?
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:31 am

Quoting A520 (Reply 9):
Sorry for my ignorance: what does AOA stands for?

Angle Of Attack
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:14 pm

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 7):
Quoting Chrisba777er (Reply 4):
Too early, for me.

Agreed, unless a key customer that Airbus wants to add to their A380 portfolio is putting some pressure.   

Cathay springs to mind.

Quoting parapente (Reply 8):
There was a thread not so long ago where someone had spotted Airbus at Toulouse flying their test 388 very heavily loaded.

At the time people were speculating whether Airbus was trying to find out where the max (safe) load point was.

Certainly a couple of things are already happening.By frame "xx"/ Can't remeber the number - Think BA was first to receive.

My reading of this is that the 600t magic number for A388 is inching closer.

Quoting parapente (Reply 8):
The point being that the quote refers to longer - what. Body (thats normally called a "stretch"). So perhaps they mean Longer - range.
Just a thought

That's what I thought. Can you imagine the range a 600t MTOW A388 would have? You'd be well into A345/77L territory there I'd imagine.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:45 pm

I am in full agreement with Chrisba777er that this is far too early to announce the A380-900.

A good number of A380 customers have yet to receive their first frames and only SQ is close to receiving all the frames they have contracted for.

To announce now that you'll have a better version, even if said version is a decade away, could have a negative impact on the delivery schedule if customers choose to defer A380-800s in favor of the A380-900.

And Airbus needs to move every A380-800 they can out the hangar, both to reduce production costs (so as to raise revenues per airframe) and to give he 747-8 absolutely zero maneuvering room to secure orders based on better availability.

I would not expect a launch decision before 2015 for the following reasons:

  • The A350-900 will be in production and customer delivery.
  • The A350-1000 and TrentXWB-97 will be in firm definition.
  • All of the current customers likely to take delivery will have at least one bird in hand (I continue to believe VS and IT will not operate the type).
  • SQ and EK will be ready to place replacement orders for their earliest frames.
  • Airbus will have completed whatever engineering studies they need for a TOW beyond 590t.
  • Airlines will have had years to digest the A380-800 and update their traffic models for the coming decades.
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:21 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 8):
The point being that the quote refers to longer - what. Body (thats normally called a "stretch"). So perhaps they mean Longer - range.

The quote doesn't say "longer" anything. That's the rough translation provided by the OP. The quote from the OP, in Dutch, says:

Quoting 76er (Thread starter):
Ik zou werkelijk niet verbaasd opkijken als de plannen voor de extra large versie van de A380 tegen het einde van dit jaar al werkelijkheid zouden worden

I don't speak Dutch. Never read any translation books, didn't use Google translate, etc., but I notice the words "extra large" in the middle of that quote. I'm guessing that gives a better context of what they're actually referring to.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:33 pm

This is great news, I hope they do launch the A380-900 this year. If any thing, we can at least, know the size of A380-900 this years.   
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:35 pm

Perhaps the comments aren't contradictory or misleading at all (although they ARE vague!)

I'm paraphrasing now - 'He would not be surprised if the PLANS (for a longer version A380) will become a reality by the end of this year (2011) and the actual AIRCRAFT itself will become a reality by the end of the decade (by 2019-2020)'

  
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:36 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):

I'm with you and Chrisba777ER. As much as this sounds exciting, I think they have too much on their plate and I don't know where they'd get the resources to do it. But perhaps they are anticipating a relatively smooth A350 and A400 project completion, and they don't see any issue with moving ahead.

This also says to me that they intend to send the 747-8 to the showers early. Not like Boeing's woes with the aircraft won't do it for them...
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):

Agreed. I have a feeling the Dutch journalist mistakenly understood end of the year, and the German (thorough as Germans ever are   ) understood it right.

Added to Stitch' arguments, in 2015 the A32xNEO will also be in its final stages of development and nearing flight tests, so there would be resources available.

Many people claim the A389 will be powered by T-XWB engines and GEnx engines, but is that contractually possible? Pretty sure RR wants some more ROI on its Trent900s, and I'm sure P&W won't be thrilled when the GP7200 is dumped in favor of the GEnx. And, IIRC, both T-900 and GP7200 have been developed (and maybe even certified?) with thrust levels required for an A389 in mind, correct?

I seriously doubt P&W will have a GTF with those thrust levels ready by the end of this decade.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
To announce now that you'll have a better version, even if said version is a decade away, could have a negative impact on the delivery schedule if customers choose to defer A380-800s in favor of the A380-900.

Especially with T-XWB's, customers will without doubt want A388s with these engines as well. Another reason to wait a little longer launching the A389.

The -900 will be a far better proportioned aircraft IMO. The article mentions it as 1000 pax aircraft, 160 more than the -800. Can we expect 9 extra Y seat rows on each deck then? And a total length of just under 80 metres?
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:00 pm

A380 MAX?

I assume a simple body stretch? How many extra sections do we wonder will be added?
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:16 pm

If it were January, I may take a more serious thought on the validity of the news. Yet it is almost October, which I think anything new to come onto plate in coming 3 months is somehow impossible, esp. when Airbus has still very much thing to do with the A359 + 8/10 & A320s neo issues.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:17 pm

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 16):
This also says to me that they intend to send the 747-8 to the showers early. Not like Boeing's woes with the aircraft won't do it for them...

The A380-900 won't kill the 747-8. The 777-9X will do that for the 747-8i, but the 747-8F should keep selling into the next decade.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:21 pm

Me hope for the A388XR (LHR-SYD / SYD-LHR non stop) about 2020-25

Doubt it will be this year for A380-900 announcement, but keep my fingers n toes crossed

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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:06 pm

Quoting Part147 (Reply 15):
Perhaps the comments aren't contradictory or misleading at all (although they ARE vague!)

I'm paraphrasing now - 'He would not be surprised if the PLANS (for a longer version A380) will become a reality by the end of this year (2011) and the actual AIRCRAFT itself will become a reality by the end of the decade (by 2019-2020)'

Say you are right, and just wildly speculating: Launch by EK on the upcoming Dubai airshow in November?
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:11 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 17):
Many people claim the A389 will be powered by T-XWB engines and GEnx engines, but is that contractually possible? Pretty sure RR wants some more ROI on its Trent900s, and I'm sure P&W won't be thrilled when the GP7200 is dumped in favor of the GEnx

In the case of RR it may be good to switch to T-XWB so they can streamline the production system. There is no reason to keep a line open just because it hasn't reached "break even." It is how the company makes most money that matters, not ROI on individual models.

P&W's situation is different as they would give away everything to GE.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:42 pm

Quoting Focker (Reply 22):
Say you are right, and just wildly speculating: Launch by EK on the upcoming Dubai airshow in November?

Again, way too early for a launch.

Maybe the 2015 Dubai Air Show.
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:05 pm

I was there when John Leahy spoke about this.

He absolutely did not say there was a possibility of an A380-900 launch at the end of this year.

He only said he wouldn't be surprised to see such an aircraft around in a few years' time, towards the end of the decade, that's all - there was no reference at all to "this year", let alone any suggestion of a launch.

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Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:05 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 24):
Again, way too early for a launch.

Maybe the 2015 Dubai Air Show.

Agreed. And that would fit perfectly after (hopefully) all NEO and A350-versions are in production.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:11 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 8):
The other was a wing improvenment.Changing ther AOA as I recall. No small matter so one assumes they have spotted a decent gain via computer simulations.

Isn't a modification to the wings like this a significant structural change? How can Airbus do this without essentially creating a new sub-type?
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 17):
Pretty sure RR wants some more ROI on its Trent900s

RR want an ROI on its engines.... Replacing a T900 with a TXWB won't change that. In fact, the benefit for RR surely is that they will have a much more compelling product in the market - a TXWB powered A380 has to be a stronger market proposition

Quoting cmf (Reply 23):
In the case of RR it may be good to switch to T-XWB so they can streamline the production system

Indeed.

Perhaps even more significantly, the TXWB allows a fleet commonality for A350 XWB operators - something the unique T900 can never achieve.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 17):
is that contractually possible?

I think the biggest contractual issues lie in the fact that the T900 has different partners in its consortium to the TXWB, which might give RR a considerable headache.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 24):
Maybe the 2015 Dubai Air Show.

Which might align very nicely with an end-of-decade EIS.
Which would also align nicely with the timeline which has been discussed for the 777X
And if so, would that be just co-incidence?   
 

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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:45 pm

Are there any potential customers for the 380 that absolutely won't buy an -800 but would buy a -900? The 380 is now, and always will be the CASM leader and one could stick new engines on it sometime in the future to further enhance that position.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 29):
Airbus already has the biggest plane in the sandbox...will they sell more if it gets bigger?

Maybe not, but they can probably get more payed for each a/c sold.

Roughly 25% of the A388 ordered ave now been delivered. If Airbus reaches 36 frames/year, all a388 ordered will be delivered in 5 years. Production of components starts probably 24 months before delivery of the complete a/c. (This is what I´m guessing)
If Airbus wants to give their suppliers smooth business, they need new A380 orders within 36 months from now. With this in mind, the launch of -900 and/or -F shouldn´t be to far away IMO.
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:03 pm

The German article says "Ende des Jahrzehnts" (end of the decade), which the journalist understood as "Ende des Jahres" (end of the year) - this is how rumours start...
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:37 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 29):

Are there any potential customers for the 380 that absolutely won't buy an -800 but would buy a -900?

CX has often been suggested due to freight capacity.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:34 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 29):
Are there any potential customers for the 380 that absolutely won't buy an -800 but would buy a -900?

This is a key question. I am honestly not convinced of the viability of an A389. I think it was Richard Branson who said that the A388 would make lots of money for the airlines, but none for Airbus. The A389 is much the same...those airlines who need it will make money from it, but can Airbus?

The A388 was commercially launched in 2000...since then, only 240 or so aircraft have been ordered. Where is break-even? I think it was originally around 250, but that will have moved to the right by some way given the early production problems. Can Airbus afford to send programme break-even even further out? Maybe some A388 customers will opt to switch to A389 but that doesn't help Airbus much...and even if they get new orders, how many will it be? Add in the world down-turn, and the picture looks even less attractive.

I really don't see a commercial proposition for Airbus in the A389...
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:40 pm

Sorry for taking this personally but I think I think I'm entitled to given my name tag.  

As much as I'd like to see that, I'm afraid that the financial crisis may well turn a trick on Leahy on this one. Yet if, they announce it, at least we'll know more about what they have in mind in terms of size.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:42 pm

My understanding was that VS was only interested in the A389?
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:05 pm

Quoting FlyingCello (Reply 33):
Can Airbus afford to send programme break-even even further out?

There are a lot of factors deciding if it makes sense to create the -900 model but break even isn't one of them.

Simplified; if Airbus will make more profit after creating the -900 model and paying for developing it than by continuing only offering the -800, then they should make it.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:15 pm

Quoting FlyingCello (Reply 33):
The A388 was commercially launched in 2000...since then, only 240 or so aircraft have been ordered.

Move that across a 40 year cycle and I'd imagine Airbus will be generating healthy profits... don't forget that those 240 aircraft will need replacing after 15 to 25 years and there's the prospect of few new runways being built so airlines will either have to develop regional long-haul point to point/hub flying for growth or they'll have to increase capacity on their existing routes whist maintaining the same level of frequencies. Short-term world economy instability should not determine long-term prospects.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:23 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
And Airbus needs to move every A380-800 they can out the hangar, both to reduce production costs (so as to raise revenues per airframe) and to give he 747-8 absolutely zero maneuvering room to secure orders based on better availability.

That's a really lovely sentiment but I can't see any airline in their right mind ordering a 747-8 just because they are available. With two airlines already turning their 748's down I don't think anyone is in a rush to pick them up. It's a pride thing.

I don't think there are that many true A380 operators out there. It's a big aircraft. For that you need big airlines.
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Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:37 pm

Quoting Babybus (Reply 38):
That's a really lovely sentiment but I can't see any airline in their right mind ordering a 747-8 just because they are available.

Well Boeing claims they have more Intercontiental orders in the pipeline, so...
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:07 am

Quoting Babybus (Reply 38):
I can't see any airline in their right mind ordering a 747-8 just because they are available.


True, but I'm sure there are airline who will order it because they think it is the right tool for the job.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:35 am

Realistically Airbus need not rush the A389. The only real competitor to the A388 is the A389. So far there has been no competition that the 748i has beaten the A388 in. The airlines who have ordered the 748i (KE and LH) are also A388 customers.

There is absolutely no indication that Boeing will enter the VLA market. The 748i is a flop and there isn't enough market to justify a $20Bn investment that would compete against the very competent and very growable A380. Boeing knows they can make more money and defend more turf by concentrating on the 777.

EK will probably be the first to put the pressure on Airbus for the A389 but Airbus will probably be content to wait and see if other airlines have similar needs before an sort of commitment. Let's face it, the only thing EK can replace their A380s with are more A380s.
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:58 am

I do hope to see the A389, one day, but...

Quoting Buyantukhaa (Reply 31):
The German article says "Ende des Jahrzehnts" (end of the decade), which the journalist understood as "Ende des Jahres" (end of the year) - this is how rumours start...

If so, this thread is worthless... Sorry, folks, but we should move on...

edit: I do not mean to be rude at you, 76er, not at all.... It was an interesting subject, up to the discovery of the mistake.

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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:59 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 41):
So far there has been no competition that the 748i has beaten the A388 in.

To clarify, there was one, Air China and it was ackowledged by Airbus,

Boeing announced on Tuesday it had done a deal to sell five of its 747-8 aircraft, a new version of its jumbo jet, to Air China, China’s national carrier, in a transaction worth $1.5bn at advertised, or list, prices.

Mr Leahy, who several hours later announced a big order of Airbus jets to leading aircraft lessor International Lease Finance Corporation, said he had been trying to sell Airbus’s rival A380 to Air China instead, but had lost to Boeing.

“That was very disappointing,” he told the Financial Times. “We did think we had a better offer with the A380 at that particular juncture. You win some, you lose some. So far I’m outselling the 747-8 10-to-one, so I guess they’re entitled to win one occasionally.”


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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:08 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 43):
To clarify, there was one, Air China and it was ackowledged by Airbus,

Since we at A.net are so fond of sidetracking and dragging a thread off course   , here is my contribution: The US just agreed to sell Taiwan F16s and the Chinese government has vowed "severe consequences". I wouldn't hold my breath for this order to be firmed up anytime soon.

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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:08 am

That would be awesome news!

But why not - There is interest for that version from the gulf airlines, BA, AF, LH, QF and some asian airlines.

Lufthansa is in negotiations about the delivery times for their last 5 A388s, maybe the will switch their order and add. some additional examplares.
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:11 am

Quoting astuteman (Reply 28):
In fact, the benefit for RR surely is that they will have a much more compelling product in the market

If only because RR would shake off the US engine competition on the A380...
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:36 am

Quoting Extra300 (Reply 30):
If Airbus wants to give their suppliers smooth business, they need new A380 orders within 36 months from now. With this in mind, the launch of -900 and/or -F shouldn´t be to far away IMO.

I think that represents the earliest possible time for launch of the A388. Airbus may well sell a few more to EK in the mean time, and there are other customers as well.

For an additional example of an airline which could be swayed to order by the A389, besides CX: QF's last 6 A388s may well be cancelled (now deferred), but an A389 would likely see additional A380s in QF colours, especially for SYD-LAX.
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:06 am

Quoting 328JET (Reply 45):
But why not - There is interest for that version from the gulf airlines, BA, AF, LH, QF and some asian airlines.

Re QF, they just deferred 6 388s for 5-6 years and have never expressed any interest in the 389. I think they would be more likely to order the 77W 1st and we all know that's not going to happen 
 
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RE: John Leahy Hints At A389 Launch This Year

Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:31 am

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 49):
Re QF, they just deferred 6 388s for 5-6 years and have never expressed any interest in the 389

They would be crazy not to buy it if Airbus built it.

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