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IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:39 am

Some days ago I had the privilege of flying one. Uzbekistan Airways, Tashkent-Urgench. Very nice flight, smooth, low cabin noise, good windows, good seats and lot of space for your legs and luggage. Thus, the obvious question. Why no more than 14 or so built? (maybe I'm wrong here, but this is the number I've found so far). Maybe, as always, entering the Western markets is tricky for Russian products, but at least in Russia and the former USSR republics it should work. Does anybody knows how an IL-114 compares, price wise, with ATR-72 and Q400? (All the threads I've found on this forum about IL-114 are quite old, so this is a good opportunity to refresh the subject, I hope). Regards,
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:21 am

This cute aircraft (as much as AN-140) hardly has prospects.
Two main reasons:
- it's built 20 years ago - and became obsolete;
- Ilyushin is not able to provide effective post-production service.

UAC Russia is considering an option of building a clean sheet design turboprop, probably in cooperation with ATR or BBD.
As the need in turboprops is immediate (due to AN-24/26 going out of service) we can expect import of ATR (rumored not good enough for Russian climate) or Q400.
BBD is very active here these days here.
 
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:47 pm

Uzbekistan Airways received its 6th Il-114-100 last month, on August 30th (source : aviaport.ru).
So, yes, the aircraft is still in production. Some of the latest ones are delivered to military customers.
 
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting spantax (Thread starter):
Some days ago I had the privilege of flying one. Uzbekistan Airways, Tashkent-Urgench.

Sweet! Can we look forward to a trip report???

Insofar as I know, the IL-114 is still being produced under license by Tashkent Aviation Production Corporation (TAPO) and continues to struggle as an export product. A real shame from an enthusiast's perspective--it's a sharp looking aircraft! I'm under the impression that the IL-114 is exclusively manufactured in Uzbekistan--is this the case?
 
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:40 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
I'm under the impression that the IL-114 is exclusively manufactured in Uzbekistan--is this the case?

Only the first five are built in Moscow by MMF 'Strela'. Currently, this model is exclusively built in Tashkent.

Forgot to add the source:
http://russianplanes.net/EN/REGIST2/Ilushin/Il-114

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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:03 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 1):

This cute aircraft (as much as AN-140) hardly has prospects.
Two main reasons:
- it's built 20 years ago - and became obsolete;
- Ilyushin is not able to provide effective post-production service.

  

Comparing this aircraft to a Q400 or ATR is wrong. It is more in line with a BAe ATP. Then again, the ATP isn't even a fair comparison, as it was a successful aircraft based off a proven design (748) from a company with the ability to support its products in the field. The 114 is an odd aircraft. Few built, and once delivered, very little support services available from the manufacturer. Plus, it's entry into service was still far to early to attract traditional Western customers.

Attractive aircraft, nonetheless.
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:04 am

Now that is cool, I hat 3 flights on it last week. Yes, it's still being produced and there are some frames on order. Currently only produced in UZB, but could be by UAC as well.

It is smooth and calm to ride it in the back, but up front all hell breaks loose after full throttle. In Russia the plane is considered good but not needed. An-24 srs are availiable on a low budget basis, this allows hardly any new manufacturing. And if you have the Kopeyki, you go for an import of a shabby old ATr.

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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:28 am

I believe IL-114 and AN-140 can be compared with ATR and DASH/BBD and BAE ATP.
All of them are pretty old frames.
In comparing aircraft one can not refer to number built or post delivery services.
The history of each aircraft is unique.
SAAB-2000 and Dornier-328 were great turboprops. But programs are closed.
AN-140 and IL-114 are in production (but as I said "hardly have prospects").
Q400 with 40 orders - we don't know....
ATR is a great product - but it is a 30 year old design.

I think UAC position of clean sheet design for a regional turboprop has a point.
 
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:34 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 1):
we can expect import of ATR (rumored not good enough for Russian climate)

The American Eagle crash in Indiana gave the ATR a black eye and scared a lot of people, Eagle included, but I think those concerns are way overblown. For one thing, First Air has been operating them in Canada with no problems.
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:46 am

You are right. Finnair and Fiinncom have them. I didn't hear complaints.
Still, there were opinions from UTAir- which serves Nothern routes - that ATR may be troublesome.
I love ATR. But I made flights from Tenerife to Grand Canaria and some in Florida and Georgia.
So I am not in a position to judge.
 
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:37 am

It may come down to ruggedness. When you look at the specs of an An-24 it's an incredible aircraft, and the ATR doesn't match it in all areas. What an An-24 can brush off, an ATR may take a hammering from which leads to maintenance problems.


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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:54 am

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 7):
I believe IL-114 and AN-140 can be compared with ATR and DASH/BBD and BAE ATP.

Looking at both the IL-114 and the BAe ATP, i cannot help but find them very similar. According to wikipedia data, the dimensions are the same by only half a meter, takeoff weight differs by just 500 kg and also max speed and range are very compatible.
Has there been any kind of technology transfer from BAe to Ilyushin or is it pure coincidence?
 
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:09 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Sweet! Can we look forward to a trip report???

Well, not exactly a trip report, just a couple of snapshots: 1) interior very roomy; 2) onboard service just a glass of water; 3) slow flight: 1h50' for 723 km; 4) strictly forbidden to take photos in Uzbekistan airports and guards-militar personnel to take care of this; 5) Tashkent (TAS) a wonderful place to spot: AN-12, IL-76, IL-86, AN-26... and the colourful fleet of Uzbekistan Airways: A310, A320, B757, B767, Avro-85, TU-154.

Quoting vanguard737 (Reply 5):
The 114 is an odd aircraft. Few built, and once delivered, very little support services

Yes indeed. I was thinking that, sadly, it will add to the list of dead-born AC together with L-1011, Convair 880-990, Concorde, TU-144, Dassault Mercure, (A380... )
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:25 pm

The end of the Soviet era produced several aircraft that emerged just as the USSR collapsed, the control economy stopped, collapsing orders, with eventually western manufacturers started moved in
The Tu204, IL96 and IL 114 have all limped along with tiny production, the Tu 334 never even made it into production...
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RE: IL-114 Still Being Produced?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:10 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 13):
The Tu204, IL96 and IL 114 have all limped along with tiny production

We can add the An-148 to that... Flew it last month, a nice 2 engined BAe-146 style aircraft but I think total production will be 40 at the most.
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